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WALTER MACFARLANE AND JOSEPH ANDERSON OF BROADMEADOWS, VIC., AUST.

Journal by itellya

I'd never seen a mention of the above two pioneers in a Broadmeadows history. That's just the reason that I embarked on a bicentennial project in August 1988, to acknowledge pioneers overlooked by professional historians who are more concerned with themes than people. My aim was to provides real detailed information for family historians, not just a name in a list. To me, they were just names in a list until Irene sent me a private message. This journal will consist of our conversation.

The location of Strathoer is still not proven and it may well have been Mornington Park, now Maygar Barracks and Northedge Industrial Park east of the Will Will Rook cemetery and adjoining GLENROY and Alexander Gibb's Meadowbank. Locations given were really vague in the 1850's, such as Moonee Ponds meaning anywhere near the Moonee Ponds, and if this farm (12 miles from Melbourne,just like Strathoer) was regarded as being "near Broadmeadows", Walter McFarlane may have been leasing all or part of it as STRATHOER. I had thought that Strathoer was the name of a house in Broadmeadows Township when Irene first contacted me.

PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM IRENE.
2014-02-25 05:19:35
I have been searching for the hereabouts of 'Strathoer', so thank you for the information that it was situated at the end of Fawkner Street, Moonee Ponds. I thought it might have been further north because of the connection with Campbellfield.
Walter Macfarlane married Elizabeth Anderson - daughter of Joseph Anderson. Joseph Anderson, a builder arrived in Port Phillip with his wife Ann in 1838. Joseph also lived in Moonee Ponds at 'Burn Head'. His son Samuel Anderson died at his father's house and the funeral went to the Melbourne General Cemetery.
Walter Macfarlane was the Secretary of the Agricultural Society. I would appreciate to any more information you may have and am willing to exchange anything I do have on Walter MacFarlane.

TO IRENE.
2014-02-25 08:16:44
Fawkner St in Broadmeadows Township (now Westmeadows)is at Melway 5, K7. Moonee Ponds,in early days had nothing to do with the suburb and meant anywhere along the Moonee Ponds Creek (which bisected Broady Township.)
By coincidence,last night I was writing about John Anderson who became the baker at Broadmeadows township in the 1880's and discovered JOSEPH ANDERSON of Broadmeadows.

Family Notices
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 11 March 1868 p 4 Family Notices
... ANDERSON.-On the 9th inst., at Lal Lal, Annie Leslie, wife of Mr. Joseph Anderson, of Broadmeadows and

Did Joseph Anderson have any descendants named John (born at Keilor 1862), Peter or Alexander?

THE Friends of Mr. JOSEPH ANDERSON (late of Broadmeadows and Bacchus Marsh) are invited to follow the remains of his late wife to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery. -
The funeral is appointed to move from the residence of his son, Mr. Adam Anderson, No. 2 Mackenzie street (near the Gaol*), at three o'clock on Saturday,the 14th instant.JOHN SLEIGHT, undertaker, No. 83 Collins street east. (P.8,Argus,13-3-1868.)
*Possibly Old Melb. Gaol or at Bacchus Marsh unless Mackenzie St at Pentridge has been renamed.

Family Notices
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 13 March 1868 p 4 Family Notices
... DEATHS. ANDERSON - On the 9th Inst, at Lal Lal, Annie Leslie, wife of Mr. Joseph Anderson, an old colonist, and late of Broadmeadows and Bacchus Marsh, aged sixty-five years. ..

I see where you got Moonee Ponds from. It would have been only one and a half miles from the present Moonee Ponds Junction miles to Flemington bridge and if Burn Head was in the suburb of Moonee Ponds, the procession would travel at the ridiculously
slow speed of 1.2 kilometres an hour. Broady Township is about 7.3 miles north of Moonee Ponds Junction,making it 8.8 miles to Flemington Bridge and giving a speed of 4.4 miles an hour, a very brisk walking pace. This, the Wally/Lizzie marriage and "late of Broadmeadows" (as above)would indicate that Burn Head was a house in Broadmeadows Township. Your assumption that Strathoer was farther north (on the same latitude as Campbellfield) was correct.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 20 August 1857 p 8 Family Notices
... Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral pro- i cession to move from his residence, Burn Head, Moonee Ponds, at eleven, and pass the Flemington Bridge about one o'clock this

May I use your message and my reply in the journal?

TO IRENE.
2014-02-26 20:24:21
For some reason my reasoning for Strathoer's location is not submitting here. Send your email address or just email me on (deleted). Regards, xxxxxxxxx, Rosebud.

FROM IRENE.
2014-02-26 23:11:50
My email address is (deleted).
Thanks for all your info. I am enjoying all your information. Today I received 'Broadmeadows - A forgotten History by Andrew Lemon. As you refer to it all the time I thought it was a 'must have book' in my library.
My head is spinning about this area as we have Walter Macfarlane, Alexander Cruickshank and Joseph Anderson (Walter & Alexander S-I-L of Joseph) living in the area at one time or other. Next week I am going to SLV to search through directories to see if I can trace them that way. Our Joseph Anderson arrived Port Phillip 1838. He was a builder. insolvent, farmer. He lived in Elizabeth St etc, Moonee Ponds, Craigieburn, Lal Lal, Bacchus Marsh and finally Avenel (Monea South) Unfortunately Joseph Anderson Patton that as far as I know is not related was in the same areas.
At the moment, I am researching Carron Timber Yards, Flinders Street that Joseph's son Adam Anderson was a partner, so I was pleased to find info from you re the Cairns family. Thank you very much! Hope to be my first journal in FTC.

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TO IRENE.
Informing her that I would not be writing any more about her family so I wouldn't spoil her journal and letting her know about my comment under my SOME FARMSIN THE SHIRE OF BROADMEADOWS journal,i.e.
Yet another link has been found between the Mornington Peninsula and Broady.I don't know whether any of the pioneering Cairns family of Boneo were directly linked with the Carron timber mill in Melbourne but their stepbrothers were. Joseph Anderson had a place called Burn Head at Moonee Ponds (probably Broadmeadows Township) in the 1850's; his son, Adam, became a partner in the Carron Timber mill and his daughter married Walter MacFarlane of Strathoer, near Broadmeadows and adjoining Glenroy. Because millyhettie and camcairns sent me private messages, they will now be able to share their information. The former's first post is on the way.

Once again,thanks to Scott Jangro who makes all of this connection between researchers possible.
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TO IRENE.
Known facts about Strathoer. 1. Grazing paddock.* 2 Near Broadmeadows (Township.)**
3. Adjoined Glenroy.* 4.12 miles from Melbourne.*
(*Grazing for horses advertisement. **Family notices.)

Route chosen. From G.P.O. along Elizabeth St, Flemington and Mt Alexander Rd to Moonee Ponds and then Pascoe Vale Rd. Why Pascoe Vale Rd rather than Deep Creek Road to Broadmeadows(now Mickleham)road, crossing the creek at Broadmeadows Township?

The first bridge in the township, a timber one linking the two ends of Ardlie St, was built in 1854, after the grazing advertisement appeared. The creek banks are very steep so it would be a great feat to cross without a bridge on horseback and absolutely impossible with a wheeled vehicle. Therefore the original route to Sydney would be used to reach Strathoer until 1854, that is past the (original)Young Queen Inn at Pascoeville.

Measurement. On all Melway maps mentioned, 8cm equals a mile. Any inaccuracy in distance is caused by the original surveyors (the boundary, fronting Sharps Rd, Tullamarine of crown sections 21 Doutta Galla and 3 Tullamarine not being EXACTLY 8000 links (a mile) as shown on both parish maps),or by the Melway map makers.

FROM THE G.P.O.
1 MILE. Cnr. Blackwood St and Flemington Rd (43 F4.)
2 MILES. Cnr. Melrose St and Flemington Rd (43 C2.)
3 MILES. North Cnr. Ailsa St and Mt Alexander Rd (28 K11.)
4 MILES. North corner of Alexandra Ave and Pascoe Vale Rd (28 J7.)
5 MILES. Sth. cnr. of Brewster St. and Pascoe Vale Rd. (28 J3.)
6 MILES. Progress St corner (16 K12.)
7 MILES. Adelaide St corner (16 H8.)
8 MILES. Chapman Ave corner 16 G4.)
9 MILES. Where Rowan St would met Pascoe Vale Rd (6 G12.)
10 MILES. Just north east or west of the Johnstone St/Camp Rd overpass.


MILE POSTS. I know for a fact that there was a 10 mile post outside the Parr property at Tullamarine but my measurement shows that the ten mile point is outside Thomas Anderson's early farm and about a furlong (200 metres) before the location of the 10 mile post. I believe that the three mile post was located at Moonee Ponds Junction but my measurement shows that the actual junction was just short of 4 miles. The post office may have been closer to the Yarra in those days but I also think there was more estimation than measurement in the placement of the mile posts as well.

Exact measurement would not determine the location of Strathoer, so I tried another approach. I did a trove search for BROADMEADOWS, 12 MILES and found:
AUSTRALIA AND THE WAR THE POSITION IN VICTORIA. MOBILISATION CAMP SELECTED. Melbourne, Tuesday.
Warrnambool Standard (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Friday 7 August 1914 Edition: COUNTRY EDITION p 1 Article
...day. The site for the mobilisation or all troops of all arms in Victoria has been selected at Broadmeadows, 12 miles north of Melbourne.
CONTINUES IN "MORE PIONEERS OF BROADMEADOWS" JOURNAL.

Joseph Anderson,by that time living at Bacchus Marsh, was involved as a witness in a dispute over the will of Thomas Graham in 1871. (See P.7, Argus,16-8-1871, column 6,Law Report,Graham v Graham.)

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by itellya on 2014-02-28 01:35:03

by itellya on 2014-02-28 01:40:52

The rest would not submit, even as a comment. Luckily it is saved but I don't intend submitting it one word at a time so this journal might end as abruptly as the BOURKE/PAKENHAM one did (after hours had been spent trying to defeat the gremlins.)

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