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Was Richard Ashe the man Butler? Was Ashe the Bardoc Murderer?

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Surnames: ASHE BUTLER
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on 2011-08-07 04:02:04

janilye - 7th generation, Convict stock. Born in New South Wales now living in Victoria, carrying, with pride 'The Birthstain'.

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by janilye on 2011-08-07 04:24:00

So.. who was the Bardoc Murderer? The victim was I R Miell whose remains were re-buried at Grant's Patch -south of Ora Banda in Western Australia

by tonkin on 2011-08-07 05:19:54

I'm still checking the crime scene.

by ngairedith on 2011-08-07 05:28:32

the victim's name was ISAAC ROBERT MIELL

by janilye on 2011-08-07 06:03:46

Correct ng
Name: Isaac Roberts Miell
Birth: 29 May 1845 - Worcester, England
Death: 24 September 1894 - Coolgardie, Western Australia, Australia
Marriage: 29 Nov 1872 - Ivington, Herefordshire), England
Parents: George Miell, Mary Stephens
Spouse: Susan Watts

by tonkin on 2011-08-07 06:16:18

I knew that.

I thought you wanted to know the murderer.

by janilye on 2011-08-07 07:06:55

I do!! looking for a Swede or a German 6'2" and built like a brick--

by tonkin on 2011-08-07 07:14:46

I've worked it out ... it was the BUTLER.

by janilye on 2011-08-07 07:50:40

hahahahaha

by ngairedith on 2011-08-07 10:17:47

The murder that was known as the Bardoc Murder was not committed in Bardoc at all but about 21km north from Bardoc and where, at that time, there was no gold being worked.

There were 3 prospectors in different localities around Katoomba in the Blue Mountains that were buried in the same manner as that at 'Bardoc' PRIOR to this murder and was why Butler was 'suspected' of having murdered in WA BUT these 3 men on the Blue Mountains had been shot !!!

Firstly, there appears to have been 2 murders near Bardoc about the same time/area that may have been confused:

1st account ... Tobin and a mate went up to Bardoc about 12 miles away and while working on a claim they noticed that two prospectors had apparently abandoned their claim and it had been filled in. Curiosity made Tobin uncover it and to his horror he found a body fully clothed. The head had been smashed in, presumably with a pick

2nd account ... While the party of prospectors were travelling in the neighbourhood of Bardoc towards Broad Arrow in August 1894, they saw a man working in a shallow hole on the side of a hill. The man seemed to be desirous of avoiding observation and the party at once came to the conclusion that he had struck something good and did not want it to be known. The party moved out of sight and then took up a position from which they could keep the man under observation. Their interest was considerably heightened when they saw him covering the hole in which he had been working with bushes. Towards evening the man disappeared and the party moved with all speed to investigate the hole before it got too dark. They started to remove the bushes but instead of finding another El Dorado they were horrified to see a man's legs, he had been foully murdered... the description given was that he seemed to be a foreigner about 6ft in height and built in proportion

Butler, who was known by many aliases (Ashe & Harwood amongst others) and who admitted to the murders in the Blue Mountains, was intercepted at San Francisco (after shipping out from Newcastle on board the 'Swanhilda' under the name of Lee Weller (Captain), the name of one of the men he had murdered!!) and was brought back to Sydney and hanged at Darlinghurst Gaol on 16 July 1897 (read janilye's description of Butler above).
At that time the police feebly suggested that he was the man who committed the myterious murders in the Bardoc district in Western Australia (note they said murders) because they never had a clue as to who did, yet, Butler was in gaol at the time of the Bardoc murder and in fact served 5, six month sentences in Fremantle prison to end 1895-early 1896
Whilst he was in the Darlinghurst Gaol in Sydney Butler received a letter from 'a German' who was a finisher at Midland Junction, West Australia. The letter was addressed to Butler, alias George English, Darlinghurst Gaol, Sydney, N.S.W. .... Well George Old Boy, I find that you got trapped at last ... more. It was signed E.F.C.R and accused Butler of having tried to poison him with strychnine. Butler and this German had worked together at the Prince Esmeralda mine at IOU until they had a falling out (IOU was a name given to what was later named Bulong)

NOTE Butler/Ashe/Harwood boasted of killing for a living. He lived in Brazil for 3 or 4 years and stated that he enticed persons with money and valuables to lonely spots and "popped them off". His choice of murder was always a bullet in the head (as opposed to a pick in the head)

by tonkin on 2011-08-08 01:26:05

Ok, it wasn't the BUTLER. That can only leave one person!

by janilye on 2011-08-08 10:20:50

I've since discovered that the date of death for Isaac MIELL
although registered in Coolgardie on the 24th actually occurred about the 19th or 20th. Since, we know Butler/Ashe didn't do it I'll add a couple of more suspects. I assume the registration was made by the police or coroner as it was in the name of Isaac Mill.
Which shows the police on the 24th had no idea who he really was.
Neither the victim's description or name was released to the public and there seemed to be no investigation held into his personal life. Of hundreds who viewed the body, only one person in the whole of Coolgardie recognised the man.

by Baams on 2015-08-11 09:04:16

Hi my name is Brian Bailey and I am the Great grandson Of Issac Roberts Miell. I would love to have more information on him if anyone has it. Our family book is very vague and over the last month or so I have found the details that is missing form the family book that was written in 1978 and 79. Issac's journal that he wrote on the journey from London to Adelaide is in the Adelaide liberty.

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