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Way family on Wennington to NZ in 1874

Journal by mbs42

The England and Wales Census of 1871 lists Henry Way as householder, age 28, Born Lambeth, giving a dob for him of 1871-28=1843.
It lists his wife as Eleanor Way, age 21, born Somers Town, Middlesex; dob is therefore 1871-21=1850.
Also listed is their child Francis E Way age 1, born Westminster, Middlesex; dob is therefore 1870.
The registration district for the Census is given as Shoreditch, the sub-district listed is Hoxton Old Town.

There is no mention of the child Mary Louisa Way, supposedly born 1867.

The England and Wales Census of 1861 lists Henry Way age 15, born St Marylebone Middlesex in 1861-15=1846.
It also lists a Henry Way age 18 born Twickenham, Middlesex, Brentford registration index, dob is therefore 1861-18=1843.

The England and Wales Census of 1881 lists Henry Way age 36, born 1845, Middlesex, London, living 12 Boston Terrace, Hammersmith, Middlesex, a tailor, married to Elizabeth Way, age 33. There are 5 children plus a lodger listed. This family may be the ancestors of the Henry Way on the Wennington.
Another 'Henery' Way in the 1881 census is listed as a carpenter, age 35, therefore dob = 1881-35=1846. He is listed as a widower, lodging at 26 Woodfield Place (owned by 'Carloine' Finch born Dorset). There are four Way children: Beatrice (15), Albert (11), Mary (9) and Walter (6). This cannot be the Mary on the Wennington, which sailed in 1874.

England Births and Christenings 1538-1975 lists Louisa Way, Christened 20 Sept 1878, Hammersmith, Middlesex, father Henry Way, mother Elizabeth. This too is after the sailing of the Wennington in 1874.

The NZ Births Deaths Marriages Register has an entry for Eleanor Way, died 1935, Age 91. Therefore her dob was 1935-91=1844 according to this record. This is six years from the birthdate of the Eleanor Way (b 1850 if she was 21 in 1871) given in the England and Wales Census of 1871.

I cannot find an entry on the NZ BDM Register for the death of anyone called Helena Way in NZ over the relevant period.
Similarly, I cannot find an entry for the death of Eleanor Way in England over the relevant period.

My guess is that the married couple on the Wennington were Henry Way, born Lambeth, South London around 1843-1846, died NZ 1902 (age 56 years on the NZ BDM Register), and married to Eleanor Way born Somers Town, Middlesex 1850, died in NZ in 1935 (age 91 on the NZ BDM Register).

Unresolved is the question of the first-born daughter of the couple, Mary Louisa Way b 1867 and also on the Wennington passenger list.

Also unresolved is the question of the name 'Helena'. Could it possibly be a mis-spelling of 'Eleanor'? (If, for example the name 'Eleanor' was pronounced with the stress or emphasis on the middle syllable, 'Eleanor', then it doesn't sound a lot different from 'Helena').

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by ngairedith on 2014-08-04 07:57:07

hello mbs,
re: My guess is that the married couple on the Wennington were Henry Way, born Lambeth, South London around 1843-1846, died NZ 1902 (age 56 years on the NZ BDM Register), and married to Eleanor Way born Somers Town, Middlesex 1850, died in NZ in 1935 (age 91 on the NZ BDM Register)

* this is your Eleanor ...

JAMES WAY (1841-1915) Bootmaker
* married 1st, Elizabeth HEDLING (1850-1890) in New Zealand in 1869
the known children of JAMES & ELIZABETH:
* 1870 - 1945 Alfred James Way (+ Elizabeth Ann Butter 1895)
* 1871 - 1959 Henry Ambrose Way (+ Florence Theresa O'Hanlon 1898)
* 1873 - 1947 Arthur Way (+ Martha Henrichs 1897)
* 1875 - 1937 Ernest Clinton Way (+ Sarah Emily Harris 1900)
* 1877 - 1897 Annie Gertrude Way (aged 20)
* 1878 - 1941 William Frederick Way (+ Millicen Kate Higgs 1906)
* 1879 - 1880 Edith Elizabeth Way (aged 5 months)
* 1880 - 1882 Edward Charles Way (aged 17 months)
* 1882 - 1882 Lewis Francis Way (aged 3 months)
* 1883 - 1965 Florence May Evelina Way (+ John Phelps in 1904)
* 1886 - 1886 Mary Ann Way (aged 6 weeks)
ELIZABETH Way died 2 June 1890 aged 40
Taranaki Herald, 2 June 1890
WAY - At New Plymouth, on 2nd June, Elizabeth, the beloved wife of James Way, aged 40 years
- she is buried at Te Henui cemetery

JAMES WAY married 2nd
* Eleanor formerly KIRBY, formerly JORDAN (nee LISTER 1844-1935) in 1890
born in Liverpool to Thomas LISTER & Elizabeth POTTER

* Eleanor married 1st, Thomas JORDAN in Liverpool
the known children of THOMAS & ELEANOR:
* William Jordan (1863-)
* Mary Elizabeth Jordan (1867-1920)
* Thomas Jordan (1870-1945)
* Clara Eleanor Jordan (1872-1901) (+ Robert Gillon in 1892)

* Eleanor married 2nd, James KIRBY in New Zealand in 1875
the known children of JAMES & ELEANOR:
* 1884 - 1968 Ella Sarah 'Fanny' Kirby (+ Robert Evans in 1911)

* Eleanor married 3rd, James WAY in New Zealand in 1890
James was 49 & Eleanor was 46

Marlborough Express, 15 February 1897
NEW PLYMOUTH - The body of a young woman named Annie Way, aged about 20, a domestic servant, the daughter of James Way, bootmaker, was found in the lake in the Recreation grounds this morning, She had been missing two days
Annie's Inquest
* this was Annie Gertrude Way (1877-1897)

Feilding Star, 30 August 1897
WAY - HENRICHS - On Thursday, the 26th August, at the Presbyterian Church, New Plymouth, by the Rev S. S. Osborne, Arthur, third son of Mr James Way, New Plymouth, to Martha, youngest daughter of Mr Charles Henrichs, of Marton
* this was Arthur Way (1873-1947)

Taranaki Herald, 12 June 1901
GILLON - At Blenheim, on June 6th, 1901, Clara, the dearly beloved wife of Robert Gillon, and second daughter of Mrs James Way, of New Plymouth. At rest.
* this was Clara Eleanor Gillon, nee Jordan (1872-1901), James Way's stepdaughter who married Robert Gillon in 1892.

Taranaki Daily News, 21 June 1915
WAY - On June 19, 1915, at his late residence, Devon Street, James Way; in his 75th year; beloved husband of Eleanor Way.
Hawera & Normanby 21 June 1915
The death of James Way on Saturday evening, in his 74th year, severs the last link of the 70th Regiment with the Taranaki veterans. The deceased veteran had been in indifferent health for the last twelve months, but it was only on Wednesday last that he took to his bed, and he passed away peacefully in his sleep in the presence of all his family. As a private in the 70th he was engaged in the East India trouble, and afterwards landed in Auckland in 1863, taking part in the Maori War in the Waikato and Taranaki districts. When the 70th was ordered Home he obtained his discharge and settled in New Plymouth, where he has resided ever since. He was predeceased by his first wife 20 years ago, and married again later. Deceased was one of the oldest Foresters in Taranaki, being a member of Court Taranaki, and also a member of the Veterans' Association. He leaves a widow and married sons and daughters to mourn their loss - Alfred, Henry, & William (New Plymouth), Arthur (Marton), Ernest (Feilding), Mrs J. Phelps (Ashburton) and Mrs R. Evans (New Plymouth)
* Robert Evans (1862-1935) died in Newmarket, Auckland, 2 months after his mother-in-law, Eleanor Way and is buried at Te Henui
Taranaki Daily News, 22 June 1915
The mortal remains of the late James Way were laid to rest at Te Henui Cemetery yesterday afternoon, and were accorded a military funeral by the Veterans' Association, members of which acted as pall bearers. An impressive service was conducted at the chapel by the Rev S. S. Osborne, and at the graveside Brother C. Tunbridge, district secretary of A.O.F., read the Foresters' burial service. Veteran Bugler Walker sounded "The Last Post" as the coffin was lowered in the grave. Included in the floral tributes was a beautiful glass bowl of artificial flowers from the New Plymouth Volunteer Fire Brigade, of which the deceased was a member in the earlier days.

Auckland Star, 13 September 1930
LISTER - On September 5, at Christchurch Hospital, John Edgar, beloved brother of Mrs James Way and uncle of Mrs R. Evans; aged 83
* John Edgar Lister (1847-1930)

Auckland Star, 3 August 1935
WAY - On August 2, 1935, at her daughter's residence, Mrs R. Evans, 24A Seccombes Road, Newmarket, Eleanor, beloved wife of the late James Way, in her ninety-second year. Interment at New Plymouth

New Zealand Herald, 26 October 1935
EVANS - On October 25, 1935, at his residence, 24A Seccombe's Road, Newmarket, Robert, beloved husband of Ella Evans. Interment at New Plymouth

by mbs42 on 2014-08-05 16:42:45

Hi ngairedith:

The plot thickens . . .

I don't think that 'your' Eleanor Way and 'my' Eleanor Way were the same person at all.

I downloaded an image of the England and Wales 1871 Census record this morning: It clearly states that there were three members of the Way family living in London, Middlesex,Shoreditch, Hoxton Old Town at the time of the census (1871). The three are:
1. Henry Way, householder, age 28, Birthplace Lambeth. (Occupation House Decorator).
2. Eleanor Way, Wife, age 21, Birthplace Somers Town, Middlesex.
3. Frances E Way, Daughter age 1, birthplace Westminster, Middlesex.

The Eleanor that you cite, Married James Way in New Zealand in 1890 and was born in Liverpool (according to what you have stated above).

The Eleanor that I am citing was born in Somers Town, Middlesex, and was married to Henry Way in England, and had at the time (1871) ONE child, Frances E. Way, age 1, according to my downloaded record of the 1871 census.

They can't possibly be the same Eleanor.

I have pasted the downloaded image of the relevant page in the census onto my original posting on this topic, so you should be able to see it there.

Also I note that you state the following, in your earlier posting on the Way family on the Wennington:

" . . . the known children of HENRY & HELENA
children born in England
...1 1867 Mary Louisa Way
Mary Louisa Way was on the ship passenger list in 1874 but she died before 1888..."

I had a look at the Wennington ship passenger list (1874); the Way family entry states:

1. Herviy Way, Male, age 29, County Middlesex, occupation painter.
("Herviy" is obviously a mis-reading or mis-spelling of "Henry")

2. Helena, Female age 25

3. Frances H., Female, age 24

4. James, Male, age 22 months.

I can't find any entry at all for Mary Louisa Way on the passenger list, although you state in your journal that she was on the list.

Maybe I'm missing something?

by mbs42 on 2014-08-05 17:16:02

Sorry - typo in the above:

The Passenger list states that Frances H., Female was age 4 (not 24 as i've written above!)

Apologies

- M

by ngairedith on 2014-08-05 17:34:50

by your Eleanor, I referred to the Eleanor that you cited as having died in 1935 aged 91
.. married to Eleanor Way born Somers Town, Middlesex 1850, died in NZ in 1935 (age 91 on the NZ BDM Register

the Eleanor born in Somers Town in 1850 was not the Eleanor who died in 1935. That is why I did the above so as to prove it to you

by mbs42 on 2014-08-05 18:19:45

Yes, I agree, the Eleanor in the NZ BDM record stated as dying in 1935 age 91 is probably 'your' Eleanor, not 'mine'. I was thinking of paying for that death notice to see if there is anything else on it that might be useful. May do that later.

I've been trying to track down the family listed in the 1871 England and Wales census through "the daughter named Frances E Way, age 1, born Westminster Middlesex". There doesn't seem to be a birth record for her in the English records. In fact I can't seem to find any other entry for this family anywhere - except in that Census listing.

I might see next if i can find anything in the England birth records relating to the other Way passenger on the Wennington, James age 22 months.

All a bit of a mystery.

Cheers

- M

by wayin on 2015-01-08 17:19:54

Have answered your queries above under the discussion headed Henry and Helena Way

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