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Where are you John Mackenzie (Jock)

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Well, I'm still looking for information on John MACKENZIE, I have spent hours looking for a clue to trace this man. Not having a middle name makes finding someone more difficult, I think! So many John Mackenzie's. What do I know about him - He served in WW1, he survived Gallipoli. He was a police constable in the Police strike in 1923. He was married twice, but I don't know their names, unfortunately. He lived in Armadale, Victoria. He had one son Thomas Timothy MACKENZIE, born in Richmond in 1923. He don't seem to have achieved very much, but will keep looking. John Mackenzie is my children's great grandfather. I really want to find him and his parents. He was born in Scotland. Appreciate any help. Thanks.

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on 2011-07-07 09:49:42

eilsjo has been a Family Tree Circles member since Jul 2011. is researching the following names: BROPHY, MACKENZIE, SHUTTLEWORTH and 2 other(s).

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by tonkin on 2011-07-07 14:25:15

There were a few John MACKENZIE's recorded in the army records and they were all born in Scotland, which makes it hard trying to ID your John. It would make things easier if you knew where John was born in Scotland.

You said John was married twice, but not having a second given name makes it hard trying to find the marriages.

I will do some record searches and see what I can.

by tonkin on 2011-07-07 14:28:00

... I will do some record searchers and see what I can find.

by janilye on 2011-07-07 18:00:52

I've been searching through A I F enlistment papers and found 7 possibles, born in either England or Scotland. there were only 3 born in Scotland.
1st candidate
born abt 1880 - 36 yrs on enlistment and had a wife and one child.
He enlisted in Newcastle NSW on 21 November 1916 his next of kin was wife Lilley he gave her address as C/o Mr. McCloughry, Junction Rd. Hornsby, NSW.
Had spent 15 months in the 79th Cameron Highlanders (bought his way out)
wounded in action France 16 October 1917 returned then wounded again (gassed) 12 April 1918 Returned then wounded again 5 July 1918.
2 things go against this candidate
1. place of residence ( not a biggie, could have moved to Victoria after the war.
2. He was only 5'6" tall and does not meet the height regulation for the Victoria police.

2nd Candidate
John MACKENZIE born EDDRACHILLUS Scotland. Service # 2096
Gave his age as 37 on enlistment on the 9 September 1915 in Maitland NSW. and his occupation as Life insurance Agent.
His next of kin was was Elizabeth living in Cessnock NSW
only 5'5" this one is a big NO from me.

Candidate number 3.
Enlisted in Armidale, NSW on the 22 January 1916.
Next of kin listed as (special friend) Margaret Peacock, Durham, Scotland
age on enlistment 32
Enlisted 22 January 1916.
Spent 8 years in the army in Scotland the last 4 in the 25th. Kings Own.
Presbyterian, tatoos on both arms and 5'6" discharged medically unfit 6 August 1918.
Medical discharge
This man's address in 1955 was 117 Brown St, Armidale NSW.
In 1940 signed a statutory declaration in Sydney in 1940 on that is his birthdate of 26 May 1883
I doubt this is him he does not seem to have ever left NSW and because of a couple of other things I doube he would have been eligible for Victoria Police Force.

That is all, who declared they were born in Scotland and with the Name John (no middle name).
I do have a couple who were born in England and joined up in Melbourne.

by janilye on 2011-07-07 18:36:01

I think MARY ELLEN was the name of Thomas Timothy MACKENZIE b: 1923 at Richmond, Victoria.

John MACKENZIE with the address 336 Russel St, Melbourne and a constable as he is on the electoral rolls there in 1919. He was probably posted at the Russell Street Police headquarters.

Now I find on the electoral rolls in 1924 a constable, John MACKENZIE living at 731 Brunswick St, Fitzroy. Mary Ellen is living at the same address. there are no other occupants of this address.

by janilye on 2011-07-07 19:11:28

Then on the rolls, in 1931 I find Mary Ellen MACKENZIE living at 731 Brunswick Street Fitzroy and a John (spelt) M'KENZIE living at the same address but giving his occupation as Hospital Attendant. Perhaps he had retired from the police force he would have been about 50. or this is another John and your John has left.
The 1931 roll is too early for that 'John' to be a son.

In 1937 Mary Ellen is alone at the Brunswick St address.

A birth registration for Thomas Timothy would confirm mother's name.

by janilye on 2011-07-07 19:40:21

The ARgus Nonday 16 August 1943
MACKENZIE.-On August 14. at Heidelberg, Mary Ellen, the dearly beloved wife of John Mackenzie, of 731 Brunswick street, North Fitzroy, and loved mother of Tom, loved elster of Jack, Tom, and Vera Myers, aged 59 years. -Rest In peace.

by janilye on 2011-07-07 20:18:08

Sorry about the translation from digital above. I did a look up of sister, Vera, using Myers assuming it's a married name and found her living with a Harold Godfrey Myers at "Mizpah" Ferntree Gully, Victoria couldn't find a marriage to give me a clue as to her single name.

by tonkin on 2011-07-07 21:18:13

These are the only two deaths for a John MCKENZIE without a second given I have come across.

Died 1945, East Melbourne, aged 72 years.
Parents: John and Jane HANNAY.

Died 1950, Melbourne, aged 68 years.
Parents: Kenneth and Elizabeth HODGE.

May be worth looking at.

by eilsjo on 2011-07-07 21:41:00

Thank you so much both of you sleuths!! You have found so much more than I have been able to find out. So happy to have at least a wife for John. Mary Ellen. I wish Tom MACKENZIE had spoke more about his family, but alas did not.From what I remember he did not seen to have any family, except for his father. Tom would probably have been away in PNG in WW2 when his mother died.

Tom died in 1976 and I know his father was still alive then, he died I think late 1970's early 1980's.
Thanks again

by eilsjo on 2011-07-07 21:48:11

Also reading the info from janilye, thank you. I have some recollection that John MACKENZIE did work as a hospital attendant. So then he must have left the police force and maybe Mary Ellen!! If he wasn't at the same address. Don't know really, just surmising. All interesting stuff! Will keep looking, thanks again for your help.

by janilye on 2011-07-07 23:55:25

Yes he would have still been alive when Mary Ellen died otherwise it would have read "the late John Mackenzie"
Are you absolutely positively certain he was born in Scotland.
Could he have been born somewhere else to Scottish parents?

by tonkin on 2011-07-08 00:27:58

A bit more info on Mary Ellen from the Victorian death index.

Died: 1943 Heidelberg, Victoria, aged 55 years.
Parents: Thomas Timothy MYERS and Mary Ellen MCINERNEY.

Looks like this may be the right Mary and she named her son, Thomas Timothy, after her father.

From the Victorian Birth Index.

Born: 1887 Maryborough, Victoria.
Parents: Thomas Timothy MYERS and Annie MCINERNEY.

Mary's death certificate should give you a few more details about when and where she married. If this turns out to be right Mary you can then obtain the marriage certificate. This will give you more information on John including age, birth place, parents, occupation, status when married and so on.

Something for you to think about.

by janilye on 2011-07-08 01:16:42

It wasn't her married name:
Name: Mary Ellen Myers
Spouse Name: Jno Mckenzie
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1919
Registration Number: 9827

by tonkin on 2011-07-08 02:10:21

Sorry Jan, my error. I had Mary born under her mother's maiden name when it should have been MYERS. Allow me to make the following correction.

From the Victorian Birth Index.

Mary Ellen MYERS.
Born: 1887 Maryborough, Victoria.
Parents: Thomas Timothy MYERS and Annie MCINERNEY.

I see you found the marriage for Mary and John ... always one step ahead of me 99.

by janilye on 2011-07-08 02:16:32

FUNERAL NOTICE The Argus Monday 16 August 1943

MACKENZIE.-The Funeral of the late Mrs. MARY ELLEN MACKENZIE, of 731 Brunswick street. North Fitzroy, will leave St. Brigid's Church, Nicholson street, North Fitzroy. TOMORROW (Tuesday), at 11 a.m. for the Preston Cemetery, R. ROBSON, North Fitzroy.

Now you can take a bunch of flowers. Ask to see the Cemetery Index. They sometimes have additional information.

Preston Public Cemetery
900 Plenty Road
Bundoora 3083
03 94961066

by janilye on 2011-07-08 02:27:20

She's in Area M grave number 09196 There are no other Myers or Mackenzie's buried in her area.

by eilsjo on 2011-07-08 03:16:35

Once again thank you both. So grateful for your help. Can't believe we now have John MACKENZIE's mother and her parents's names. I believe John was buried at Burwood cemetery with his late wife. Obviously, not Mary Ellen. His second wife. Yes, I will have to go down to Melbourne and visit Mary Ellen's grave. cheers Ei

by janilye on 2011-07-08 23:56:13

I found him !!!

by eilsjo on 2011-07-09 01:21:10

Do you mean you found John MACKENZIE! I'm so excited,can't wait to hear some more details.

by janilye on 2011-07-09 01:35:26

Indeed I did, after looking at every John MACKENZIE's war record, I was 11th into the McKenzie's and there he was.

John MACKENZIE born April 1889 in Inverness, Scotland
Father John MCKENZIE last known address Kiltarlity, Scotland
John joined the army spelling his name MCKENZIE
He enlisted at Broadmeadows, Melbourne, Victoria
He was almost 5'8", with a fair complexion blue eyes and fair hair and weighing 162lbs.
Religion, Presbyterian
When enlisting he gave his occupation given as Railway Employee and address Murtoa, Victoria
John joined the 8th Battalion F Company of the AIF on the 19 August 1914
He embarked from Melbourne, Australia on the transport Benalla on the 19 October 1914
On the 15 April 1915 he received a gunshot wound at the DardenellesGallipoli
On the 30 April 1915 he was admitted to Bombay Hospital
On 3 July 1915 whilst in Bombay he contracted pneumonia
He was discharged to England and left on the Hospital ship 'Delta'
He was admitted to the Manchester Hospital.
On the 8 October 1915 he was returned to Australia on the Suevic and upon disembarking was admitted to
the Hethersett Private Repatriation Hospital in Burwood with Pneumonia and Emphysema.
He was discharged from the army on 6 February 1916
Oddly enough, whilst he was in the hospital in Bombay a T MELROSE contacted the army asking if this
John McKENZIE was identical to John MACKENZIE of Warracknabeal. below this entry there is a note saying 'letter written'
I have other documents including letters from John, one being from his address in 1967 and proof positive he is the same John who had resided in Brunswick St.
PM me your email address and I will send all documents to you. With some you'll need a magnifying glass. I gave up on a couple.
On Monday I shall ring the Burwood cemetery and see if I can find out more details.
When I get a moment I'll visit the Victoria Police Museum. I have wanted to visit and now I have a good reason. I'm very close, just a tram ride.

by eilsjo on 2011-07-09 04:20:16

Holy Toledo! Can't believe it. John was always so adament that his surname was spelt MACKENZIE, but he splet his own name McKenzie!! find that interesting. So excited to have his war history. Can't thank you enough for the time you have put into this quest. Am very interested in reading documents, will forward email address. Thanks again.Ei

by eilsjo on 2011-07-09 04:20:20

Holy Toledo! Can't believe it. John was always so adament that his surname was spelt MACKENZIE, but he splet his own name McKenzie!! find that interesting. So excited to have his war history. Can't thank you enough for the time you have put into this quest. Am very interested in reading documents, will forward email address. Thanks again.Ei

by janilye on 2011-07-11 00:02:20

He's not buried at Burwood. Anyone know where someone who lived at Glen Waverley, Victoria in 1967. may have been buried?
Where's Thomas Timothy buried eilsjo?

by eilsjo on 2011-07-11 04:05:35

Both John Mackenzie and Tom Mackenzie (son) were both living in Glen Waverley (6 Kiah Street) in 1967. Tom is buried in Campbells Creek, near Castlemaine. I now think John is too.

by eilsjo on 2011-07-13 07:26:57

I have emailed the Police Museum today requesting any information they have for John MACKENZIE. Will be interesting to see if they respond.

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