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Where did John Murphy come from?

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John Murphy was born in Ireland around 1790. He immigrated to the US and married Elizabeth McClain from PA or MI. They had 6 children--William, Elvira, Albert, Moses, Mary Jane, and Almarinda. John and Elizabeth died in Missouri between 1850 & 1860 we think. John was in St. Charles County,MO by 1822. I have no idea of his earlier days.

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on 2012-03-28 19:40:13

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by janilye on 2012-03-29 12:27:34

Elizabeth died on the 1 September 1852. She is buried at Buried at Fish Creek Cemetery, Saline County, Missouri. According to the inscription on her headstone she was in the 58th year of her life.
Looking for a John Murphy from Ireland between 1810 and 1820 would be a huge task especially with a civil war going on in the first 2 years.
There are a few books around which have transcribed the passenger lists in the New York Newspaper 'The Shamrock' from Ireland between 1811 and 1817. It's my belief that these are the only passenger lists that survived this era.
Since their first child, William was born in 1820 these passenger lists might be what you need for they will give county of origin. Ask your State Library if they have a copy.
Another name for 'The Shamrock' was 'The Hibernian Chronicle'.

I found a marriage between John Murphy and Elizabeth McCLIN 26 January 1815.
groom's name: John Murphy
bride's name: Elizabeth Mc Clin
marriage date: 26 Jan 1815
marriage place: , Mason, Kentucky
indexing project (batch) number: M53987-2
system origin: Kentucky-EASy
source film number: 281841
Kentucky, Marriages, 1785-1979," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F47H-HFW : accessed 29 March 2012), John Murphy (1815)

Name: John Murphy
Event: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Saline county, Saline, Missouri, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 60
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race (Expanded):
Birthplace: Ireland
Estimated Birth Year: 1790
Dwelling House Number: 108
Family Number: 108
Line Number: 10
NARA Publication Number: M432
NARA Roll Number: 419
Film Number: 443627
Digital Folder Number: 004200579
Image Number: 00023
Household Gender Age
John Murphy M 60
Elizabeth Murphy F 54
William Murphy M 28
Abert Murphy M 23
Elvira Murphy F 26
Mary J Murphy F 19
Almarinda Murphy F 15
Moses Murphy M 21

by janilye on 2012-03-29 12:38:21

Here we go [url=http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DONEGALEIRE/2008-11/1227357946]
Extracts from The Shamrock or Hibernian Chronicle [/url]
Not the original but....Good Luck!

by janilye on 2012-03-29 12:42:21
by janilye on 2012-03-29 13:47:37

Well, he isn't in amongst them- must be in amongst the other 54 issues. Best to ask the library I think. Otherwise you will have to shell out for the children's birth certificates and there's no guarantee his place of birth will say any more than Ireland.
Fish Creek Cemetery Almarinda is buried here too. She married Joseph W Dennis he died 1883 not buried here.
Elizabeth McClain was born in Ireland.

by ekmurphy on 2012-03-29 20:51:09

Thank you for the suggestion for Irish emigration. It was an interesting source. I will look into it more when I make a library run.

I took a picture of Elizabeth's grave in Oct. but find no mention of her husband's death or burial anywhere so far. Most of their adult children were in the area but John Murphy wasn't found in anyone's home in 1860. I assume he died. There is an empty space beside Elizabeth. What could account for his not being listed at Fish Creek if he was buried there? I also discovered and photographed Almirinda's grave. I asked the local genealogist to check any other logical cemetery, but John Murphy is not listed in Saline County.

Since John Murphy's passage from Ireland is maybe not traceable, what methods can be used to find where he was between immigration and children's births in MO in the 1820s? I am using the Kentucky marriage date but don't know why John was there or why Elizabeth would be there. As far as we know, our Elizabeth McClain was born in the US; her census records state it. Some McClains were connected to Daniel Boone in Kentucky but I don't know that my family was. (This is a branch from which we have almost no oral history and certainly nothing written.) The only stories are of john having owned and lost/sold land in Detroit, Michigan where the Eagle Hotel was eventually built! That doesn't lead us to many relatives.

You seem to be able to access many records quickly. That must come from lots of experience. I muddle around so but still love finding new information.
Ellen

by janilye on 2012-03-30 00:17:04

I found a death certificate for William S Murphy issued by the Missouri Bureau of Vital Statistics. It gives his date of birth as March 25 1820 and he died on July 15 1911 in Clay (can't read the next word) Little Rock, Saline City. His father John Murphy born in Ireland. His mother Elizabeth McClain born in Ireland.
The informant was J ? Murphy ????Slater. I can send it to you if you want. Just give me your email on private messenger.

by ekmurphy on 2012-03-30 23:31:51

Where is the private messenger link? I have a copy of my great grandfather's death certificate. Thank you. The information was given by my grandfather, John William Murphy. I think he was confused about his grandmother's birthplace. We don't know where William S. is buried either! His wife has a marker in Orearville Cemetery, but not William S. I can't get hung up on their graves, I guess.
Ellen

by breda_murphy on 2012-04-11 11:04:57

Hello ekmurphy,

We have just launched a new website MurphyClans.com - There are discussion forums and articles related to the Murphy Clan on there. You should post your questions there too and hopefully as it grows someone can help you there too!

Regards,
Breda

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