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Where is the connection between the New Zealand von Sturmers and my family in Germany? Erhard von St?rmer, Berlin

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on 2011-10-22 19:14:16

EvStuermer has been a Family Tree Circles member since Oct 2011. is researching the following names: VONSTURMER.

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by janilye on 2011-10-22 21:08:57

I hope I can help you with this EvStuermer,
The Von STURMERs in New Zealand were not always Von and it was spelt STURMER.
The Von Sturmer's in New Zealand are decendants of Frederick STURMER 1804-1876 he was born on 9 April 1804 in Hackney Middlesex England, died on 3 March 1876 in Kensington Middlesex England at age 71, and was buried in Kensal Green Cemetery London England.
Now, Frederick married (1)Mary NORRIS on 3 July 1828 in St Mary's Richmond Surrey England, daughter of John NORRIS and Elizabeth CLARKE. Mary was born on 1 March 1801 in Richmond Surrey England and was christened on 5 April 1801 in St Mary Magdalen Richmond Surrey England. She died on 7 January 1873 in Heapham Lincolnshire England at age 71.
They had about 6 children among them a son; Frederick John VON STURMER 1829-1897 (he and a brother Spencer William, who migrated to Australia added the VON) was born on 8 April 1829 in Oxford Oxfordshire England and died on 5 August 1897 in Hamilton Waikato New Zealand at age 68.

Frederick STURMER's father was Samuel STURMER 1763-1816 son of John Samuel STURMER 1732-1764 and Ann HILL.

John Samuel STURMER 1732-1764 and Ann HILL 1732-1899 children were:-
1. John Sturmer (1757 - 1796)
Born in London on 8 May 1757 to John Samuel Sturmer and Ann Hill. He passed away on 17 Apr 1796 in Jamudang, India.
2. Benjamin Augustus Sturmer (1758 - 1760)
Born in London on 21 Dec 1758 to John Samuel Sturmer and Ann Hill. He passed away on 4 Feb 1760 in London.
3. William Sturmer (1762 - 1797)
Born in City London on 12 Sep 1762 to John Samuel Sturmer and Ann Hill. He passed away on 14 Mar 1797 in Cawnpore, Bengal Bahar, India.
3. Samuel Sturmer (1763 - 1816)
Born in Threadneedle, London on 23 October 1763 to John Samuel Sturmer and Ann Hill. Samuel married Louisa Ogier and had 5 children. He passed away on 15 Sep 1816 in Poplar, Middlesex, London

Samuel was born on 23 Oct 1763 in in Threadbeedle Street, London England and died on 15 Sep 1816 in Poplar London England at age 52. He married Louise OGIER who was born on 29 Jun 1761 in Stepney London England, was christened on 15 Jul 1761 in London England, and died in 1843 in Boulogne Sur Mer Pas De Calais France at age 82.

Here's the connection with Germany but not to the Von's;

John Samuel STURMER (1732 - 1764)
Born in Frankfurt-On-Oder, Brandenburg, Prussia on 20 Jun 1732 to Jacob Sturmer and Johanna Marsel. John Samuel married Ann Hill and had 4 children. He passed away on 1764 in England.
his father;
Jacob STURMER(1687 - 1741)
Born in Zullichau, Brandenburg, Prussia on 6 May 1687 to Jacob Sturmer and Catherine Semler. Jacob married (1)Ursula Maria Tiebel. Jacob married (2)Johanna MARSEL. He died on 14 August 1741 in Frankfurt-On-Oder, Brandenburg, Prussia.
his mother;
Johanna MARSEL (1706 - 1750)
Born on 1706. I'm afraid nothing much is known of her. She died on 4 October 1750 in Frankfurt On Oder, Brandenburg, Prussia

Jacob's great grandfather back as far as the 16th century were still STURMER with no added Von.

by ngairedith on 2011-10-23 01:07:25

hi EvStuerme,

I found a VERY interesting read in the The GISSING JOURNAL

it is a pdf file of 30 pages written by George Robert Gissing (an English novelist who published twenty-three novels between 1880 and 1903. From his early naturalistic works, he developed into one of the most accomplished realists of the late-Victorian era)

It contains the people connection that you may be looking for so I will write a little here of what it says:

from page 2/
... born on 30 December 1859 at Claines, near Droitwich, Worcestershire, Sturmer was a man of Huguenot descent who, in his privately printed volume Some Poitevin Protestants in London: Notes about the families of Ogier from Sigournais and Creuz of Chtellerault and Niort (1896), wrote at great length about some of his ancstors, the French branches of them.

Sturmer was an anglicised form of his name which he adopted shortly before he became acquainted with Gissing.

The paternal branch of his family, the von Sturmers, was of German origin - as far back as 1756 we find one JOHANN SAMUEL von STURMER (b.1732), landed fresh from Frankfurt (Oder), marrying an English girl of London, ANN HILL.

The link between Gissing's correspondent and this remote ancestor has been neatly established. Johann's fourth child, Samuel STURMER (b.1783) married Louisa OGIER, the daughter of Louis Ogier and Catherine Creuze, in 1893, whose son Fredericck (born in 1804) was the grandfather of Gissing's acquaintance.

The intermediate generation was that of the:
Reverend Heaton Edward von Sturmer (1834-1924)

The publishing habit that distinguishes the family, originated, it would seem, in 1851, when Frederick John, born in 1829 in Oxford, who was the eldest son of Frederick, published a modest collection of verse entitled The Plagues of Egypt, a poem, and other pieces, a duodecimo not unlike those first two small volumes of poems published by Gissing's father in 1851 and 1853
... parents were: Thomas Waller GISSING (1829-1913) & Margaret BEDFORD (1832-1913)

(Frederick John Sturmer migrated to New Zealand in the 1850s and his ELEVEN children have many descendants there to this day).

Frederick John's father, Frederick, promptly imitated his son. The British Library catalogue has an entry under his name
- a few Practical Sermons on Various Subjects, London, Gainsborough and Epworth printed (1852), an imprint clearly indicative of vanity publishing - which points to his profession. He was for many years Rector of Heapham, in Lincolnshire.

Of his fourth child, Heaton Edward von Sturmer (1834-1924), who EVENTUALLY DROPPED THE 'VON' and the umlaut from his name, various mementoes have been reserved, notably a photo of him taken in 1910. White-haired and healthy-looking, with his hat in his left hand, he sits comfortably in an armchair against a leafy background ...

I am sure you will enjoy the full read at the top link

There is also a letter written by George Gissing to Mr. Sturmer, 28 Aug. 1897, inviting him to "eat a chop" with him the following Monday

a Biography of George Gissing by Virginia Woolf

by janilye on 2011-10-23 04:06:22

I believe the Von Stuermer's were Pomeranians and I know very little about that family. Hopefully someone will have the answers for you.

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