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WILLIAM SMITH OF GLENROY AND BOTH SIDES OF THE PASCOE VALE BRIDGE, VIC., AUST. (and "Lebanon")

Journal by itellya

SEE COMMENT 1. WOULD NOT SUBMIT HERE AS AN EDIT. SEE THE OTHER JOURNAL RE THE PASCOE VILLA ADVERTISEMENT.



I suspect that the above Pascoe Villa, was the former Young Queen Inn, on a small block on the west side of Pascoe Vale Rd, just north of the Pascoe Vale bridge. It could also have been on a part of Brewster's grant, crown allotment 15 Doutta Galla. As Smith owned the Young Queen, he would have had no need to build a dwelling on his small farm which was in a different parish but only across the creek from the hotel.

EXTRACTS FROM "EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA".
SIR JOHN FRANKLIN.
On 15-2- 1847, Sir John Franklin bought the northern 12 acres of section 15. From Brewster memorials it has been established that the northern boundary of section 15 is indicated by the intersection of Esmale, Lebanon and Amar Sts. From this line, Franklins land went 295 links south to the e-w section of Lebanon St (D 847).

WILLIAM SMITH.
The E.J.Brewster 1st and 2nd series do not refer to a memorial concerning the land extending the next 8 chains (roughly) south to Peck Ave. If Andrew Lemon was right, it was purchased by William Smith.

(Luckily Doutta Galla microfiche 85 gave the title application number 13 676. The Sketch of Title under this number contained the following information. The blocks western boundary started 295 links south from the north west corner of section 15 (see frontage of Sir John Franklins purchase) and went another 709 1/4 links further south. Its northern and southern boundaries went east 41 chains and 5425 links respectively to the Moonee Moonee Ponds. On 4-2-1848, the same day that McCord, Jackson, Dunn and Callaghan bought their blocks to the south, Brewster sold this block to William Smith, a farmer of Glenroy.
The memorial recording this conveyance (G 460) was not listed in the Brewer index so luckily it appeared in this document. It revealed that William Smith paid L114/0/6. William Smith finally sold it to William Henry Fletcher, yoeman of Yan Yean, on 1-2-1872. The memorial listed for this conveyance (217 310) was consulted. The description of the land was perfectly copied from G 460, which failed to specify the blocks area. Fletcher paid 940 pounds, 8.25 times the price Smith had paid 24 years earlier.)

Using notes from title documents, I transposed all the purchased blocks onto my Melway. This was fortunate because, thinking these scribbled notes,(also rates transcriptions etc) would be completely meaningless to anybody else, I threw them away. I used one sketch of title together to cross-check the next as in the case of Franklin's and Smith's above; see bold type.


Sir John Franklin bought a large area of land in section 23 north of his 12 acre block bought from Brewster. The 12 acre block was combined with some of St John's grant to the north as what became known as Dunn's Farm. Because of Sir John's absence and the lease ending,or various title transfers on St John's grant, the 12 acres in section 15 was not occupied. From about 1882 John Murray Peck fenced and paid rates on it.About 30 years later, John English claimed title on the 12 acre block because of Peck's adverse possession.

The Lands Department had no idea about this, so we can't be too critical of Andrew Lemon's map showing the subdivision of section 15 on page 21 of BROADMEADOWS: A FORGOTTEN HISTORY.His map does not show Franklin's purchase. Another error made is logical. One would assume that crown allotment boundaries in Doutta Galla and Jika Jika would line up but they don't. That's why there are dog legs at creek crossings at Woodland/Reynard, Albion, Ormond/Brunswick etc. Lemon has drawn the northern boundary of 15 Doutta Galla as being on the same line as Gaffney St, but it's actually the line of Spence St in Keilor Park, continued east to the Moonee Ponds Creek.

Andrew Lemon states on page 75 "..,in 1871, The Young Queen Inn had closed for good . William Smith,its owner had bought adjoining blocks in the abortive Pascoe Vale Village over the intervening years until he owned 21acres on the north side of the creek and a similar area on the south. William Jones, who had worked land in the Essendon district for 30 years bought Smith's properties in 1874...."

Maybe north of the creek Andrew, but Smith's land on 15, Doutta Galla was sold to William Fletcher as documented in bold type above. I have Peck Avenue as Smith's southern boundary, where it adjoined McCord's purchase and Peck Avenue was the Drive for Peck's Lebanon,so let's check on Fletcher and McCord.

Having done this check,I assume that PeckS Rd (being the boundary between the Smith and McCord purchases) was a driveway shared by the owners of each. Here's how Lebanon's 34 acres came into existence.

FRANKLINS 12 ACRES. This obviously became, with William Smiths purchase, part of John Murray Pecks Lebanon. The total of the two, which comprised lot 4 of Brewsters post-partition subdivision, was about the 34 acres that Lebanons owners were assessed on over the years. Neither the 1st nor 2nd series index for Sir John Franklin mentions any sale of his 12 acres. I checked the index for Archibald McLachlan and Frederick Armand Powlett, who acted as his agents at various times. I checked the index for Dame Jane Franklin. There was no mention of this part of section 15, Doutta Galla! In desperation, I returned to the ground floor and consulted Doutta Galla microfiche 85 again.
There I saw 46645s and was partly rewarded when I raced up to the 6th floor to try application 46645. The search certificate referred to Sir Johns purchase of the northern 295 links of section 15 but there was no sketch of title. The search certificate referred to the land being fenced in 1882. This was probably done by John Murray Peck, who had bought William Smiths original purchase and established Lebanon. I think Peck noticed that nobody used the land between his 22? acres and section 23, so he just started using it as if he owned it. Broadmeadows Shire was receiving rates on his whole 34 acres so there would have been no question of his right to use Franklins land. Indeed, in 1879-80, Hugh Peck may have been occupying Franklin and Smiths purchases when he was assessed on 34 acres; names were listed alphabetically and Pecks name appears where the name of W.H.Fletcher would be expected to be. J.M. Peck died on 19-11-1903 and he does not seem to have been listed in Broadmeadows 1899-1900 rate book. It was probably at this time that the Pecks realised that their lack of title to the 12 acre block would be discovered. Did they just abandon it?
In 1879, John Morgan English, had bought Belle Vue ( renamed Oak Park and separated from Franklins land only by the creek and Lebanon Reserve) after the death of Fawkners widow, Eliza, and (converted Fawkners single storey weatherboard house into the double storey mansion still standing at the top of Oak Park Court-YET TO BE PROVED TO MY KNOWLEDGE, 26-10-2013.) He leased out the farm to his relatives, the Morgans and Mrs Morgans mother, Mary Knight but was still involved in the area, purchasing the 200 acre eastern part of section 23, which adjoined Franklins 12 acres. He seems to have done the same as I suspect Peck did earlier and, in 1902, just squatted on the land and paid the rates. In 1926, J.M.English applied for the title to Franklins land.. (Application 46645, Broadmeadows Rates.)
In 1920-1, Louisa Ellen, the widow of J.M.Peck had 38 acres, which probably consisted of lot 4 (Franklin and Smiths purchases from Brewster) plus about 4 acres of subdivision lots in the Byron Vale Estate or another estate nearby.
Why didnt Franklin sell the 12 acres when the section 23 land was sold? My guess is that he and his heirs (and the titles office) forgot that this land was on a separate title to the St Johns Estate. If hed left his land to his wife, Dame Jane Franklin, she might have been aware that the 12 acres existed. However he seems to have punished Jane for not bearing him a son. He left her only her clothes and gave the rest of his estate to a daughter from a previous marriage. This daughter had probably never been to Australia.
The confusion seems to have set in when a man named Dunn leased a 123 acre farm from Sir John. He was followed by Elizabeth Guest prior to 1862 but the 123 acre farm was still called Dunns Farm. As explained in bold type under section 23, Dunns Farm must have included the 12 acres (adjoining section 23) at the northern end of section 15. This lessee could have been Thomas Dunn of section 15 or Edmund Dunn of Viewpoint in Tullamarine.
When the 123 acre Dunns Farm was leased to Henry Mawbey for 5 years on 17-2-1862, it was wrongly described as being entirely in section 23. Significantly no boundaries of the farm were described in the memorial! (121 455).
I had intended to include a copy of Sketch of Title 46645 but the clerks scribble is so illegible that readers would not be able to make head or tail of it. Heres what it says.
46645. John M.English.
Part allotment 15 Doutta Galla.
1080 pounds.
Claim by possession.
L.R.O. Sir John Franklin
(see D 847* set out on ??) also see 11578 from which it appears that his widow Jane Franklin is interested.
John Morgan English, the registered proprietor of abutting land in 9 T? Vol. 2209 Fol 441708 (records available only go to volume 999) from which the land applied for was with other land excised **thus necessitating this present application
(* D 847 records the sale of the 12 acres to Franklin by Brewster.)
(** Broadmeadows Rate books show that in 1900 Alex Robertson had just replaced dairyman, Robert G.Bryant as lessee of 200 acres Doutta Galla owned by the Hodgson executors. It is known that this was Thomas Kellys former eastern portion of section 23, which was roughly between the Strathaird/Menarra St corner and Lebanon Reserve.
His application states (inter alia)
That Crown Grantee was Edward Jones Brewster- But he conveyed
That he has never acknowledged ownership or been called on to do so and no rent or payment has been made by or claimed from him except rent under lease from Land Investment Coy to whom he has sold under contract of sale dated 4 Dec 1923
He occupies under Co lease-
That from 1902 or sometime prior unto: up to 26 June 1918 land was occupied by himself and his brother (probably Joseph English) for grazing purposes and since that date by himself as owner? or lessee as ###? for same purposes:
All rates paid by him or his brother till 1918 and from 1918 to 1923 by him since then by Co. ?? Coy.
Since 1902 a fence has always stood on south boundary of land on south of land applied for- red on survey plan (survey plan not enclosed) and was erected on line upon which an old fence had stood for at least 15 years prior to 1902.
19 Dec 1925 Staty Decl of Harry Huntington Peck
456830 He well knows land in survey plan ???A
(Of course the future author of Memoirs of a Stockman should have known the land; his father had squatted on it for about 20 years.)
He is joint owner of land abutting (on portion of south side ) of red and blue and first became acquainted with (said?) land in 1882 when such land was enclosed by fences on south, west and north west sides shown on plan and land has been enclosed by fences from 1882 (to date?) except that about 1902 a new fence was erected on south on line on which original fence stood since 1882.

WILLIAM SMITHS PURCHASE. (Lebanon).
Andrew Lemon states that, in 1874, William Jones bought William Smiths properties, about 21 acres on the north of the creek and a similar area on the south. (P.75.) The 1879-80 Broadmeadows rate book lists William Jones as the owner and occupier of 20 acres at Pascoe Vale, but as this was in the Campbellfield riding it would have been north of the bridge. This was probably the land he bought from Mr Heron in about 1865, and on which he was harvesting 2 tons of hay per acre in 1888 (Victoria & Its Metropolis P.704). The rate collector made no mention of Jones having about 20 acres south of the creek, unless my transcription was faulty.


The owners of Smiths purchase.
William Smith (not the man associated with Flemington and Moonee Ponds, P.697 Vic. & Its Metrop.) bought the Young Queen Inn from John Watson in December 1842. The inn, being on the most popular of the three routes to Sydney until the Broadmeadows Township bridge was built in 1854(Lemon P.17.) This was on lot 3 of Pascoeville, consisting of 1 acre 2 roods and 5 perches, on the s/w side of the government (Pascoe Vale) road. Lot 4 was s/e of it, probably fronting the creek and lot 2 was n/w of it. The south west boundary was a lane leading from Sparke St to the Moonee Moonee Ponds (Sydney 1523). This memorial, detailing the sale of lot 3 by the hotels builder, Edward Butler, to Watson on 29 and 31 May 1841, unfortunately gives no measurements but I think Sparke St would have been near Marks St if all blocks were about 1 acres. Fate might have decreed that Smith would never purchase his block from Brewster in 1848. He was charged with the manslaughter of his servant, Joseph Plant, in 1847 but he was acquitted. (Between Two Creeks Richard Broome.)
William Henry Fletcher.
It is unknown whether this was the same man after whom Fletcher St in Essendon was named. The latter was granted land including the Target store at Highpoint (Maribyrnong: Action in Tranquility), 260 acres between Maribyrnong-Ormond Rd and a line indicated by Gladstone St- stretching from Scotia St to the Moonee Ponds Creek, and south of this the 320 acre triangle bounded by Epsom and Ascot Vale Rds. Surely he would describe himself as a gentleman rather than a yoeman.

John Murray Peck.
Arriving in 1854, at the age of 21, with three other young Yanks (Freeman Cobb etc.), Peck was the action man who could drive huge teams of horses on the Cobb & Co line that soon opened to Castlemaine. His powerful voice and commanding presence later established him as Australias foremost auctioneer of fat cattle. Before moving to section 15, Peck lived at Mascoma in Ascot Vale. (See volume 2.) His family pioneered the area in New Hampshire, U.S.A. near the Mascoma River where the town of Lebanon sprang up. Peck, his London-born wife and their son, Harry Huntinton Peck were buried at the Will Will Rook cemetery.

In the Essendon Conservation Study (Call No. 720.288099 BUT), Graeme Butler confirms some of the title information I have supplied, apart from calling William Smith John. In his entry for Lebanon, Butler states that Smith lost the property surrounding the house to William Fletcher via a series of mortgages in 1872. Fletcher converted the title to Torrens in 1881 and J,M.Peck bought 40 acres soon afterwards*.
John Murray Peck built Lebanon (still standing in Wendora St ) in about 1882.
*As Lebanon consisted of 34 acres, it must have included Sir John Franklins 12 acres between Smiths land and section 23. The Broadmeadows rate book did not state that Peck was leasing the 12 acres so I can only assume that the co-founder of Cobb and Co had just squatted on it and paid the rates, as J.M.English did from 1902. (See details under Franklins 12 Acres.)

This land includes the Red Rooster site, where stood the illegally demolished Cooks Homestead. This name was bestowed on the house by Pascoe Vale kids of the 1930s, such as the late Jim McKenzie and his future wife Peggy, because it was owned by Broadmeadows Shire Secretary Albert Cook. (See Kilts and Cow Dung Flats by R.Gibb.) Its name was actually Wanganui (IT WAS WANNAEUE- GOOGLE "WANNAEUE, PASCOE VALE"), and it was said to have been built by J.M.Peck of Lebanon. (Sam Merrifields House Names Index P.37.) Peggy McKenzie told me that a Miss Roberts owned the Wanganui land (south to the garage site); she was probably related to J.M.Peck, whose wife, born in Bond St, London on 6-6-1840, was Louisa Ellen Roberts. (Gravestone, Will Will Rook cemetery.)


Now back to PASCOE VILLA, but first we'll look for William Smith's trial. "smith, plant, manslaughter" Refine to 1847. Make a cup of coffee at this point; it's a longy! (I'm having a coffee before I adjust the layout!)

MANSLAUGHTER.(N.B. Paragraphing is mine.)
William Smith was charged with the manslaughter, by committing a violent assault, of one Joseph Plant, on the 26th June last. The prisoner pleaded not guilty, and was defended by Messrs. Stephen and Stawell.

The first witness examined was Shadrach Williams, in the employ of the defendant, who gave precisely the same
evidence as that which was adduced at the Coroner's Inquest, and which has already appeared at length in this journal ; his evidence was in effect that the deceased, who was also in the employ of Mr, Smith, came home very drunk on the 26th June last, and commenced quarrelling with his wife ; Mr. Smith desired him to be quiet, when the deceased applied some insolent language, when Mr.Smith proceeded to turn him out of the kitchen ; in doing which they both fell, deceased having hold of his master's waistcoat, and breaking the guard-chain of Mr. Smith's watch ; he did not see Plant receive any blows or kicks, and had such been given he must have seen
them ; he was aware that Plant had for some time suffered from a hurt which he had frequently seen Mrs. Plant poultice ; the arm was so bad that upon the day on which the alleged assault occurred, deceased was unable to load his dray whenhe was going into town in the morning.

(The conversation which the witness had had with the deceased subsequent to the alleged assault, shewing the animus of Plant, and which was given at the Coroner's Inquest, his Honor would not permit to be given.)

Sarah Plant, widow of the deceased,being sworn, also gave similar testimony to that which she gave at the inquest, and swearing positively that Mr. Smith came into the kitchen, seized the deceased by the throat, threw him down on the verandah, and kicked him on the right wrist, which until this occurrence was uninjured ; she also swore that Mr. Smith threw himself upon the deceased whilst he was upon the ground, and placed his knee upon his right side ; that subsequently the deceased got up, when Mr.Smith again knocked him down, upon which Mrs. Smith came out with a rake, with which she was about to strike deceased when witness prevented her.

On cross-examination this woman ad-mitted she had been transported for manslaughter, but rigidly adhered to her former statement so far as it implicated Mr.Smith, strenuously alleging that her husband had not the slightest injury on either of his arms until this occurrence ; she also denied that any provocation was given by the deceased to Mr. Smith.

Arthur O'Mullane, M. D., sworn-I knew Joseph Plant ; he was a patient of mine; I first saw him on the 1st July;I saw him in a shop at Collins-street; he brought me a note from Mr. Belcher, requesting me to examine his arm and give him a certificate of the state of his health ; I attended the deceased, Plant, until the period of his death, on the 20th July ; deceased was a man of remarkably weak and feeble constitution. I should say his constitution was at least ten years older than himself; he told me he was fifty-nine years of age ; he had
suffered from epilepsy for years, and when attacked had several times fallen in the fire ; he had a wound or bruise on his right wrist, about three inches in length, and about two inches wide ; he died of gangrene ; I treated the deceased according to the most approved mode of surgical practice ; his death resulted from a bruise on his right fore arm, destroying the vitality of the soft parts so far as the bruise extended ; this bruise would not have affected any man but one of a very bad constitution ; treatment such as the female witness has sworn deceased received from Mr. Smith, would have a tendency to accelerate his death; amputation was performed upon the deceased's right arm on the Friday previous to his death ; he lived till the morning succeeding that on which the operation was performed.

By his Honor-If the operation had been performed the day after the injury had taken place, the same result would have attended the operation.
By Mr. Stawell-The deceased had a very shattered constitution, the result of epilepsy, intemperance, and old age; he told me he had been a hard drinker ; the bruise I speak of was between the bones of the right fore arm.
By his Honor-Ordinarily speaking, a kick on that part would not cause death.

Examination continued-The wound was about three inches in depth, and about half the width, when I first saw
him ; nature had not set up the process for the removal of the dead flesh ; had the deceased fallen down and broken his leg, it is probable, from the general state of his health, he would not have recovered ; the skin of
the arm was not broken; if the arm were not fixed, a violent blow or kick might have been given without breaking the skin.

By, his Honor-I don't think this bruise upon the arm could have been caused by anything but a kick with a
narrow blunt instrument.

Examination continued-On examining deceased there was an old mark on his hip, but no appearance of a recent
wound there ; there were also some marks on his left wrist, which deceased said he got in the bush ; I was a fellow passenger of Mr. Smith's to this colony, and a more respectable orderly quiet man was not on board.

Henry Moor - (Deceased's affidavit produced) the signature attached to this is mine ; this is merely the deposition made upon which to ground the application for a summons against Mr. Smith.

William Hull, Esq., J. P., sworn (Deceased's dying deposition produced)I knew Joseph Plant ; this is his dying
deposition, which was taken down by Mr. Belcher in my presence ; at the time this was taken Plant was sinking fast, and he was conscious that he was about to submit to an operation which might cause his death ; deceased was at a lodging house in Collins-street ; I said to deceased, " you're now about to have your arm taken off, it will probably cause your death : I tell you this, that you may regard what you now say as your dying declaration, and I hope you'll speak the truth ;" he wept, and said " it's hard to be murdered at my age."
I said, " how old are you ?" he said "59;" deceased then said, "I owe my death to Mr. Smith ," I said, " I hope you're at peace with all mankind, and particularly with Mr. Smith?" he then repeated his observation that Mr. Smith had murdered him ; I then said, " I'll send you a clergyman ;" and I believe the Rev. Mr. Thomson visited him.

His Honor-Is that all that passed ? Mr. Hull-It is, your Honor. His Honor-Then that won't do : in dying declarations, there must be evidence that the party making it was conscious that he was past all hope.
The counsel for the prisoner stated they had no objection to the deposition being read.
His Honor-That may be, but I have a duty to perform ; and, so far as the evidence goes, that deposition is clearly not admissible.

Examined by Mr. Stephen.-I have known the defendant some years and always considered him a highly respectable man ; I never heard a report to his prejudice till this unfortunate case.

W. R. Belcher, clerk of the Bench,sworn.-I recollect going to where Plant was, with Mr. Hull ; I went there by
order of the magistrates, in consequence of information received from Dr. O'Mullane ; deceased appeared in a very feeble state, and said he thought he had not long to live, and accordingly his deposition was taken.
His Honor.-Is that all ?
Mr. Belcher.-Yes, your Honor.

His Honor, having read the deposition, said that he thought more injustice would be done to the prisoner by withholding the deposition than by allowing it to be put in in evidence, and the counsel for the defendant having consented, the deposition was put in and read, in which the deceased attributed the injuries he had received on the right arm to an attack made upon him by Mr. Smith, the defendant.

Mr. Croke here referred to the evidence of the man Williams, and Sarah Plant, upon which His Honor remarked, that there could be no doubt one or the other of them was perjured.

W, B. Wilmot, Esq., coroner, sworn. -(Deposition of Sarah Plant read, as taken at the inquest.) This was read
over to her before she signed it ; this is the substance of what I considered to be material at the time. His Honor questioned the coroner as to whether Mrs. Plant said anything more than what was contained in the
deposition read. The Coroner had some recollection of her having said something about a second assault, but she gave her evidence so extremely loose that he had great difficulty in collecting the substance.

His Honor remarked that it was especially desirable, for the future, that in cases of this nature the verbatim testimony of witnesses should be taken, as what might be deemed unimportant at the time might ultimately turn out to bemost important.
By Mr. Stephen.-When I read the deposition over to Mrs. Plant she did not object to it, nor did she say that
anything was omitted.

(Deposition made at the police-office by Joseph Plant read, the groundwork of an application for a summons for an assault against Mr. Smith, in which the deponent swore that Mr. Smith, at thetime of the assault, made use of theexpression-"I'll kill the old b-." This closed the case for the prosecution.

Mr. Stephen, at the commencement of his address to the jury, remarked upon the discrepancy in the witness' statements.
His Honor.-Where two witnesses for the crown are called and contradict each other, I shall certainly desire the jury to acquit the prisoner.
After some few observations from Mr.Croke, His Honor said, there were no circumstances to enable the jury to prefer one evidence to another. Mr. Stephen said, he would at once place a witness in the box who would
settle the matter.

Stephen Bunistead, a fellow servant of the deceased, sworn.-The night before the deceased went into town on the
Saturday he complained to me of his right arm being very bad, having hurt it in the bush ; on Saturday the deceased was unable to load his dray ; for three weeks before this I have seen the deceased with his right wrist bandaged up, and deceased once asked me to bring out some ointment for his arm, but I have forgotten the name.

His Honor, in summing up, said, that the evidence of the last witness tended in a great measure to confirm Williams' statement. The woman Plant's statement was contradictory and unsatisfactory in many points, and differed materially in some parts from what the deceased had himself stated ; the jury he thoughtwould have no difficulty in acquitting the prisoner.

The jury retired for a few minutes and then returned a verdict of not guilty, accompanied with a remark, in which his Honor the Judge coincided, that there was not the slightest imputation upon the character of Mr. Smith, who was immediately discharged.

His Honor, addressing himself to the jury, said, that he presumed they discredited the testimony of the woman
Plant, and on being informed that they did, his Honor directed her to be recalled and after telling her that neither he nor the jury, and he should imagine but very few in court, believed her, committed her for perjury, telling the Crown Prosecutor that he could act as he pleased in the matter.
Mr. Croke.-From a circumstance which has been communicated to me since the jury retired I am disposed to
think that what the woman stated was the truth.
His Honor.-Well, I have done my duty in committing her, you must use your own discretion whether you indict
her or not. ((P.4, The Melbourne Argus, 3-8-1847.)


One of the people involved in this case had a connection with CUMBERLAND and SPRING FARM.But before I get onto that, I've just realised that I've made a mistake, and as I think it's in comments, I can't fix it there.The wife of William Pomeroy was Anne, not Mary. There's a clue!
This person married, if I've got my facts right, a daughter of William and Anne Greene and wrote a book, which can be perused at the historic Woodlands Homestead; I think the title is Lady --a-e--'s Memoirs. The Cumberland Estate included a fair bit of Woodlands.This person became the Chief Justice and with his cousin "Alphabetical" Foster,the Colonial Secretary, wrote Victoria's (very conservative) constitution.

NO THINK MUSIC,JUST A FEW WOODLANDS FACTS AND ONE OF MY CORNY JOKES AND THEN TIME'S UP.
Two Bulla township streets were named after the Greenes, the diagonal part of Somerton Rd that led to the east-west section and Lochton, and Rawdon St, named after William and Ann's son. It made my blood boil every time I saw GREEN ST in Melway; such historical ignorance!

Some of the pioneers retained the speech traits of their native countries. This fellow wanted his young farmhand to put the horse into the stable and as he was a nice chap,he said,"Take horse to stall,please." There was concern when the lad didn't join them for the evening meal and when they heard thundering hooves at night.
Rushing out, they saw the lad on the horse he was supposed to have put away, and on the other horse that they had frequently seen in the Oaklands point to point- the Chief Justice.

Family Notices
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 11 January 1856 p 4 Family Notices
... William Foster Stawell, barrister-at-law, to Mary Frances Elizabeth, only daughter of the late William Pomeroy Greene, of Woodlands, Esq.

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by itellya on 2013-10-26 18:38:54

The following is the result of a whole Saturday's work which prevented me from reading yesterday's paper. I could not get it to submit as an edit re Pascoe Villa last night and again this morning, it would not submit,in the journal or as a comment. Due to computer problems, I couldn't save it as a Word file and I was terrified that I would lose a whole day's work by copying something else. (I always copy before submitting in case I get the OH NOES page.) My loss would have been small fish compared with that suffered recently by that great family historian, Neil Hamilton Mansfield, when his computer crashed (see facebook)but still a morale-sapper. As a last resort, I decided to try submitting it as a new journal, which I decided would be about WILLIAM SMITH,the focus of its content.

The following will make little sense unless you first read my journal:
FARMS NEAR TULLAMARINE:SPRING FARM, CUMBERLAND, PASCOE VILLA ETC.

by itellya on 2013-10-27 07:21:58

The following shows that by 1850, the new (present)Sydney Road was being well used,helped by the bridge at Pascoe Vale having been swept away, and the NEW Young Queen Inn (that later became Father O'Hea's residence and is much mentioned in my Pentridge/Coburg journals)was in operation. It also shows that Old Sydney (Pascoe Vale) road had been connected to the new road at Somerton's Inn; this link would have been at least partly via Somerton Rd and possibly could have included Clifford Rd (a considerable short cut.) My conclusion that the link was via Cliffords Rd will be explained in my ROADS TO SYDNEY journal.

The Original YOUNG QUEEN, PASCOEVALE.
WILLIAM SMITH
In announcing that he has obtained a Publican's General License for the above Estab-
lishment, begs to intimate that the premises have undergone A THOROUGH REPAIR and they will now be found in point of comfort and accommodation SECOND TO NONE in the colony. Aware that from a variety of circumstances the establishment has not for some time past enjoyed that high reputation which might be desired, W. S is determined that no effort on his part will be wanting to thoroughly retrieve its character as A FIRST-RATE COUNTRY INN.

To those unacquainted with the precise locality he may state that the house is situate upon THE OLD SYDNEY ROAD which leads into the New Line of Sydney Road at the Somerton Inn.

Parties desirous of enjoying A DELIGHTFUL EXCURSION leaving for a time the busy scenes of the City and enjoying that great promoter of health and longevity, pure air, will not, W.S. feels assured, regret paying a visit to his establishment, where
they will find everything to conduce to their comfort. In the selection of THE CHOICE STOCK trouble and expense have been entirely lost sightof, the proprietor having been influenced by a determination not to admit to his cellars any but the choicest liquors of every description to be found in the market. Aware that a trip to the country has a tendency to sharpen THE APPETITE,W.S .esteems himself fortunate in having succeeded in obtaining the services of A FIRST-RATE COOK,determined that his more substantial fare shall in point of quality be no way inferior to his liquors, EXTENSIVE BULLOCK YARDS,are attached to the premises, which abound in fact with good accommodation for man and beast,and by civility,MODERATE CHARGES, the strictest cleanliness in every department, and unceasing attention to the comfort of his guests, W. S. confidently hopes to be honored with a fair share of patronage, which it shall ever be his study to deserve at THE ORIGINAL YOUNG QUEEN PASCOEVALE.
P.S.-W.S. begs to intimate to the the surrounding Farmers and Settlers, that a new and safe fording place is formed at the creek below Mr Macnamara, as a substitute for the old bridge swept away by the recent storm, until a new bridge,now in course of erection, is completed, which will be in about a week; travelling on this line of
road will then be safe and expeditious. (P.1, Argus,7-3-1850.)

by itellya on 2013-10-31 18:02:36

I apologise for not giving precise sources here; I lost five hours of research and typing last night; having finished, I intended to copy it in case I got the dreaded OH NOES page when I clicked submit and after highlighting it,I clicked submit instead of copy.
The area seemed like the wild west. Young Thomas Dunn, (whose farm was bisected by todays Lind St), near the Young Queen Inn was bailed up in his residence in 1848 and William Smith suffered the same fate shortly after placing the advertisement in the previous comment. This might be why he transferred the licence of the Young Queen to Henry Bishop in 1851.

John (Gildea?) had his application for a licence approved in 1855 but refused in 1856, almost certainly because he had shot a customer earlier in April; this was Mr Macaulay who lived two miles from the hotel and was well known to the McCrackens* (*McCracken letters.)

There is no mention of the Young Queen at Pascoevale after 1856. Andrew Lemon states on page 17 of BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY that John Watson (who had bought it from its builder Edward Butler) sold the Young Queen to William Smith of St Kilda for L1700 in December,1842 and that Smith persevered with the inn for the next twenty nine years.

The following is conjecture and does not prove that Pascoe Villa was the original Young Queen inn or that the inn (of which I found no mention after 1856) was used for the RETREAT FOR THE INEBRIATE AND INSANE established at Pascoe Vale in 1856 and relocated to Cremorne Gardens in 1864. In 1862, Mrs Smith was residing in Pascoe Vale but was the landlady of the Shakespeare Hotel, William having become insolvent.
These details emerged in a trial in 1863 regarding an alleged theft by a lodger.

The RETREAT may have been at John Pascoe Fawkner's Belle Vue/Grandview homestead, with Fawkner apparently having moved to Collingwood by 1852 (lease advertisement.) If this was so, Mrs Smith may have been residing at the apparently defunct Young Queen. If not, Mrs Smith may have been living in the RETREAT under a condition of a lease, or a dwelling on Smith's purchase from Brewster that became Peck's Lebanon,or on land north of the bridge near the hotel.

It seems highly unlikely, because of the wife's death notice (Argus, 18-11-1867) that she and William had separated. It is highly likely that she had a great affection for Pascoevale not shared by William, who put Pascoe Villa on the market shortly after her death on the 16th of November, 1867.

My quest to prove or disprove that the Young Queen became Pascoe Villa has not been successful and has raised the possibility that William had a motive to lease out the apparently closed inn, to avoid insolvency,and that it may have housed the retreat.

by itellya on 2013-12-01 09:11:35

Tulip Wright is supposed to have had a son-in-law named William Smith who built the bluestone store at Bulla and sold it to William Bethell. I wonder if he was the William Smith who bought the Young Queen Inn.

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