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on 2013-10-26 18:06:35

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-10-26 18:38:54

The following is the result of a whole Saturday's work which prevented me from reading yesterday's paper. I could not get it to submit as an edit re Pascoe Villa last night and again this morning, it would not submit,in the journal or as a comment. Due to computer problems, I couldn't save it as a Word file and I was terrified that I would lose a whole day's work by copying something else. (I always copy before submitting in case I get the OH NOES page.) My loss would have been small fish compared with that suffered recently by that great family historian, Neil Hamilton Mansfield, when his computer crashed (see facebook)but still a morale-sapper. As a last resort, I decided to try submitting it as a new journal, which I decided would be about WILLIAM SMITH,the focus of its content.

The following will make little sense unless you first read my journal:

by itellya on 2013-10-27 07:21:58

The following shows that by 1850, the new (present)Sydney Road was being well used,helped by the bridge at Pascoe Vale having been swept away, and the NEW Young Queen Inn (that later became Father O'Hea's residence and is much mentioned in my Pentridge/Coburg journals)was in operation. It also shows that Old Sydney (Pascoe Vale) road had been connected to the new road at Somerton's Inn; this link would have been at least partly via Somerton Rd and possibly could have included Clifford Rd (a considerable short cut.) My conclusion that the link was via Cliffords Rd will be explained in my ROADS TO SYDNEY journal.

In announcing that he has obtained a Publican's General License for the above Estab-
lishment, begs to intimate that the premises have undergone A THOROUGH REPAIR and they will now be found in point of comfort and accommodation SECOND TO NONE in the colony. Aware that from a variety of circumstances the establishment has not for some time past enjoyed that high reputation which might be desired, W. S is determined that no effort on his part will be wanting to thoroughly retrieve its character as A FIRST-RATE COUNTRY INN.

To those unacquainted with the precise locality he may state that the house is situate upon THE OLD SYDNEY ROAD which leads into the New Line of Sydney Road at the Somerton Inn.

Parties desirous of enjoying A DELIGHTFUL EXCURSION leaving for a time the busy scenes of the City and enjoying that great promoter of health and longevity, pure air, will not, W.S. feels assured, regret paying a visit to his establishment, where
they will find everything to conduce to their comfort. In the selection of THE CHOICE STOCK trouble and expense have been entirely lost sightof, the proprietor having been influenced by a determination not to admit to his cellars any but the choicest liquors of every description to be found in the market. Aware that a trip to the country has a tendency to sharpen THE APPETITE,W.S .esteems himself fortunate in having succeeded in obtaining the services of A FIRST-RATE COOK,determined that his more substantial fare shall in point of quality be no way inferior to his liquors, EXTENSIVE BULLOCK YARDS,are attached to the premises, which abound in fact with good accommodation for man and beast,and by civility,MODERATE CHARGES, the strictest cleanliness in every department, and unceasing attention to the comfort of his guests, W. S. confidently hopes to be honored with a fair share of patronage, which it shall ever be his study to deserve at THE ORIGINAL YOUNG QUEEN PASCOEVALE.
P.S.-W.S. begs to intimate to the the surrounding Farmers and Settlers, that a new and safe fording place is formed at the creek below Mr Macnamara, as a substitute for the old bridge swept away by the recent storm, until a new bridge,now in course of erection, is completed, which will be in about a week; travelling on this line of
road will then be safe and expeditious. (P.1, Argus,7-3-1850.)

by itellya on 2013-10-31 18:02:36

I apologise for not giving precise sources here; I lost five hours of research and typing last night; having finished, I intended to copy it in case I got the dreaded OH NOES page when I clicked submit and after highlighting it,I clicked submit instead of copy.
The area seemed like the wild west. Young Thomas Dunn, (whose farm was bisected by todays Lind St), near the Young Queen Inn was bailed up in his residence in 1848 and William Smith suffered the same fate shortly after placing the advertisement in the previous comment. This might be why he transferred the licence of the Young Queen to Henry Bishop in 1851.

John (Gildea?) had his application for a licence approved in 1855 but refused in 1856, almost certainly because he had shot a customer earlier in April; this was Mr Macaulay who lived two miles from the hotel and was well known to the McCrackens* (*McCracken letters.)

There is no mention of the Young Queen at Pascoevale after 1856. Andrew Lemon states on page 17 of BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY that John Watson (who had bought it from its builder Edward Butler) sold the Young Queen to William Smith of St Kilda for L1700 in December,1842 and that Smith persevered with the inn for the next twenty nine years.

The following is conjecture and does not prove that Pascoe Villa was the original Young Queen inn or that the inn (of which I found no mention after 1856) was used for the RETREAT FOR THE INEBRIATE AND INSANE established at Pascoe Vale in 1856 and relocated to Cremorne Gardens in 1864. In 1862, Mrs Smith was residing in Pascoe Vale but was the landlady of the Shakespeare Hotel, William having become insolvent.
These details emerged in a trial in 1863 regarding an alleged theft by a lodger.

The RETREAT may have been at John Pascoe Fawkner's Belle Vue/Grandview homestead, with Fawkner apparently having moved to Collingwood by 1852 (lease advertisement.) If this was so, Mrs Smith may have been residing at the apparently defunct Young Queen. If not, Mrs Smith may have been living in the RETREAT under a condition of a lease, or a dwelling on Smith's purchase from Brewster that became Peck's Lebanon,or on land north of the bridge near the hotel.

It seems highly unlikely, because of the wife's death notice (Argus, 18-11-1867) that she and William had separated. It is highly likely that she had a great affection for Pascoevale not shared by William, who put Pascoe Villa on the market shortly after her death on the 16th of November, 1867.

My quest to prove or disprove that the Young Queen became Pascoe Villa has not been successful and has raised the possibility that William had a motive to lease out the apparently closed inn, to avoid insolvency,and that it may have housed the retreat.

by itellya on 2013-12-01 09:11:35

Tulip Wright is supposed to have had a son-in-law named William Smith who built the bluestone store at Bulla and sold it to William Bethell. I wonder if he was the William Smith who bought the Young Queen Inn.

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