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Watkin ancestors from Montgomeryshire (now Powys, Wales) and Shropshire (England)

Journal by RogerWNZ

Hi. I am commencing a research task prior to visiting these areas of the UK, on a trip from New Zealand, later this year (2015).

Using the power of the internet, I have narrowed the search areas to a small part of the English/Welsh border, around Llangynyw, Manafon, Bettws Cedewain, Berriew, Clun and Church Stretton. My forebears were farmers in this area, and the earliest confirmed ancestor I have found is Job Watkin (my great great grandfather) and his wife Ann (nee Goodwin) who were married on 2 May 1829 at Bettws Cedewain.

I have found evidence that they had ten children, between 1831 and about 1855. At least three of them (John, born 1831, Arthur, born 1841 and Daniel, born 1849) emigrated to New Zealand in 1880 and 1881. Arthur is my great grandfather.

I would like to find out what happened to Job and Ann. Did they also move away, or end their days pretty much where they started?

I would like to try and find out what happened to the other seven, (Job, Edward, Catherine, Evan, Ann, Thomas & Alfred) and whether any of their descendants are still living in the area.

Any help will be appreciated!

Roger

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by wizard28 on 2015-04-11 10:50:20

Census 1851
Name: Job Watkins
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne Watkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Guildsfield, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Lydbury North
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Farmer of 167 acres employing 4 labourers


Job Watkins 49 b Guildsfield, Montgomeryshire
Anne Watkins 45 b Beriew, Montgomeryshire,
John Watkins 21 b Beriew, Montgomeryshire
Job Watkins 19 b Beriew, Montgomeryshire
Edward Watkins 17 b Beriew, Montgomeryshire
Catharine Watkins 13 b Manafon, Montgomeryshire,
Evan Watkins 11 b Manafon, Montgomeryshire
Arthur Roger Watkins 9 b Manafon, Montgomeryshire
Daniel Watkins 2 b Manafon, Montgomeryshire

Servants:
Mary Lewis 18
Richard Griffiths 26
David Bonner 20
James Wilson 19

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1861
Job Watkin
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Watkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Guildsfield, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Lydbury North
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: farmer of 262 arces employing 3 boys and 6 labourers
Registration district: Clun
Sub-registration district: North Lydbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Job Watkin 59
Ann Watkins 54
Edward Watkins 27 farmer of 75 Acres
Catharine Watkins 23
Evan Watkins 21
Arthur Rogers Watkins 19
Daniel Watkins 12
Alfred Watkins 9 Lydbury North, Shropshire
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1871
Name: Job Watkin
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Watkin
Gender: Male
Where born: Guilsfield, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Lydbury North
Town: Eaton and Freyland Eaton
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Clun
Address Eaton Township

Job Watkin 69 farmer of 217 Acres employing 5 labourers and 2 boys
Ann Watkin 64
Daniel Watkin 22
Alfred Watkin 19


Could not find either Job b 1802 Guilsfield or Ann born 1807 Beriew in 1881 census.

by wizard28 on 2015-04-11 11:08:51

Death reg
Name: Job Watkin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Clun
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 377
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Found Ann 1881

Name: Ann Watkins
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Shrewsbury St Mary
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: Bomere Heath
Marital Status: Widow
Registration district: Atcham
Sub registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 13

Ann Watkins 72


Death
Name: Ann Watkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Atcham
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 473

by wizard28 on 2015-04-11 11:26:58

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
Name: Job Watkin
Probate Date: 26 Apr 1876
Death Date: 22 Jun 1875
Death Place: Shropshire, England
Registry: Shrewsbury

Effects under £1500
26 April, The Will of Job Watkin late of Eaton in the parish of Lydbury North in the county of Salop, farmer who died the 22 June 1875 was proved at Shrewbury by John Watkin of Mindtown in the said County, Arthur Roger Walkin of Woolstone in the parish of Wistanstow in the said County and Alfred Watkin of Eaton Farmers the Sons and Executors

by wizard28 on 2015-04-11 12:00:22

You might find this site of interest it listed John and Edward Watkin under farmers

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~markgeorge/LydburyWeb/directories/slater1880.html

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~markgeorge/LydburyWeb/census.html

www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives/

by RogerWNZ on 2015-04-11 17:03:05

Wow, wizard28, you are indeed a wizard! I have been using findmyroots.co.uk for most of my research, and found quite a lot of info from there - although their search 'engines' are, I believe, somewhat broadstroke!

One of my problems has been the surname itself. Many earlier records are recorded as "Watkins" but the later ones "Watkin".

But all of the above (and I thank you most sincerely for the effort you have put in) is information I have not previously known. The date of birth census data varies from one to the next, so Job (who I believe was baptised on 20 Nov 1801) has various birthdates from then until 1806. Ann was 4 or 5 years younger, so her birthdate is anywhere from 1806 to 1811. The 1841 census, of which I have a copy, have them aged 35 and 30, living at "Moat" which I take to be the name of a farm in the township of Manafon.

You may be interested to know that Job's grandson, Job Ernest Watkin (born at Woolston near Wistanstow in 1874, eldest son of Arthur Rogers Watkin) was a dairy farmer at Te Aroha West in the Thames Valley district of Waikato Province in New Zealand. Job Ernest was my grandfather, and passed away 177 days before I was born!

I will follow the links you have provided.

Thanks again!
Roger (Wellington, NZ)

by wizard28 on 2015-04-12 21:01:11

Glad to have been able to help. If think the address in the 1841 census reads:

Moat Street, Manafon, Newtown & Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire, England

In the 1841 (which was the first major census for all of the uk ) they for some reason rounded the ages up or down to the nearest 5.

I have sent you a private message

by RogerWNZ on 2015-04-14 03:01:36

Thanks for the p.m.

Ah, so that's why there is a discrepancy in ages ... I see on the census page I have a copy of all the adults have an age ending in 0 or 5! The notes on the bottom of the form says ages were rounded down from 15-19 to 15, and upwards.

I still think 'Moat' refers to a farm and not a street! The census form refers to a "place" rather than a street, and the page that Arthur Rogers is on includes other "places".

Roger

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