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Anglo-Saxons [AD 5-700]
Saxon & Jutes
Near Easterners (E3bs)
or Whomever?
King Vortigern (a British king - whatever "British" meant in that context), according to the Empire's historians, invited Angles to come back and receive land, if they would help to defend "the British" against "the Picts." The Picts? Please.....
Successful Angles sent word back north that good land was available, and that the "the British (i.e. Celts)" were useless as soldiers, according to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, AD 449:
"From Anglia, which has ever since remained waste between the Jutes and the Saxons, came the East Angles, the Middle Angles, the Mercians and all of those north of the Humber."
Based on Bede's "Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum", [not the most reliable of sources], external populations were descendants of three Germanic tribes (I doubt the Scandinavians would all be thrilled to be considered "Germanic", but one never knows for sure.
They seem to have a strong sense of nationality, even among themselves. However, those who arrived from the south by sea might have felt differently than those who crossed the continent and mixed for centuries with the Germans, Austrians, Poles and other nationalities.
Not to be too critical of poor Bede, he was working with the information he had in concluding that:
Saxons were from Lower Saxony
Jutes were from the Jutland Peninsula (Danes)
Angles were from Angeln
He wrote that the whole Angle nation came to Britain, leaving their former lands unoccupied sounding like the above reference to land that "remained waste between the Jutes and the Saxons." And that was more likely caused by flooding later than these reports implied.
In fact, a report from Caesar first hand says that lands left vacant were quickly taken up by others, I find it hard to believe that, barring flooding, the land would remained waste and not been immediately taken up by others.
Those who moved in ? if Caesar was right about there being two kinds of Frisian -determined by good and poor land, those on good land being better soldiers - can be assumed to have been those Frisians on poor land, in poor health, who moved in - and why not?
Place names confirm that other continental tribes were in Britain earlier than thought:
Frisians at Fresham, Freston, and Friston
Flemings at Flempton and Flimby
Swabians at Swaffham; and, perhaps,
Franks at Frankton and Frankley.
There may be a link here with the time at which the Romans quashed the Batavian Revolt. They no doubt took the Frisians and whomever else they could lay hands on and dragged them off to Britain.
They may have bragged that they laid waste the lands. But others did move in - although I can see there being friction between the Danes and Saxons about which of them should have control. Some must have remained as the Romans would likely have only taken men who could fight.
A similar situation may have played itself out when these same peoples joined the Anglo-Frisians to aid Vortigern later. Or, the two events may simply have gotten mixed together in the common mind, and history recorded both in identical terms after the fact.
I doubt any King in Britain was having trouble with the Picts. They were far to the North in Scotland and are now lost in the mists of time. Much of this ancient history, recorded from oral tradition, simply seems ill-informed and confused.
"North of the Humber" is the kingdom of Northumbria, now in north and northeastern England and southern Scotland. Mercia was located in central England and is now the Midlands. There is a map below to help with some of this.
Initially, the Jutes are reported to have gone southwest in Britain. Angeln bears comparison to Jutland. It is situated on a large bight linking the Baltic to the Bay of Kiel (Kieler Bucht or Holsteiner Bucht). Angles were part of the Federation of the Ingaevones, their mystic ancestor and god of fertility being Yngvi.
Germanic scholars argue that notions of nationality based on word games are simplistic, a suspicion confirmed in this case, initially, by archaeology. East and north Britain were settled by women wearing cruciform brooches from Scandinavia, all of Denmark, and Schleswig-Holstein south to the lower Elbe and east to the Oder, as well as coastal Friesland
This was their point of departure when their husbands answered the call. Many of these peoples speak or spoke "Germanic" languages, but this does not confirm that the are Haplogroup G German, in fact, just the opposite. Many are rated as being of the R or I Haplogroups. So genetics has something to add as well ... and it may not agree with cherished historical records.
Recalling the "Pie Map' above, there is some German genetic influence (the brown R1b slices), but it is minimal. I have not seen similar maps for other Haplogroups, so I cannot comment with authority about German genetic influence there. But "I" is generally considered Norse, not G, which is German. E3b, likely came with the Romans, but it's anyone's guess right now.
South central Britain was settled by women wearing the saucer brooch of Lower Saxony, the south side of the lower Elbe, then among the Franks, up the Rhine and along the coast to the mouth of the Seine.
Angeln history is subsumed within that of Southern Jutland or Schleswig (Danish: Slesvig) and, until the 19th century, it belonged to Denmark. If anything, the Angles and Jutes were Danish or near Danish, located in the northwest, near the Saxons and Frisians.
Their genetic footprint has left the British confused. The modern British like to think of themselves as Anglo-Saxon and believe that they replaced the indigenous Celts. They are mistaken.
Not only are many of them Celts (perish the thought), but they took quite a knock from the Danes and Normans, and are even now ruled by a Germanic Monarchy. Many of "the upper crust" refuse DNA tests for a reason. They are more than a little unsure about who and what they are, and afraid to find out!

Clan/Family Histories - Thomson/Thompson/Thomas/McTavish/MacThomas

"We're all Jock Tamson's bairns" suggests not only that we are all God's children and in the same boat, but that there are lots of Thomsons around. And indeed "son of Thom" has only recently dropped from 3rd to 4th place in the league of most common surnames in Scotland at the General Register Office in 1995. Thomson (without the 'p') is the most frequent spelling in Scotland; Thompson is found more in the North of England and Thomas in Wales.

The name is found most in central Scotland - there was a John Thomson in Ayrshire in 1318 who led part of Edward Bruce's invading army in Ireland on behalf of Robert the Bruce. There are Gaelic equivalents in MacTavish (son of Tammas) and McCombie (son of Tommy) and MacLehose is from the Gaelic 'mac gille Thoimis" or son of St Thomas.

Clan MacThomas was descended from Clan Chattan Mackintoshes and was based initially in Glenshee. The MacThomases supported King Charles I and the Marquis of Montrose but after the defeat of Montrose at the Battle of Philiphaugh, the chief withdrew his men and extended his influence into Glen Prosen and Strathardle. The chief approved of the stable government brought about by Oliver Cromwell and the Commonwealth. Consequently, after the Restoration of King Charles II the MacThomas fortunes declined and the clan drifted apart - some clansmen moving to the Lowlands and changing their name to Thomson or Thomas.

James Thomson (1700-1748) was a poet who wrote "The Seasons" which is regarded as a classic of English literature but is best remembered now for writing "Rule Britannia". Alexander "Greek" Thomson was a 19th century architect of note who is becoming more recognised at the end of the 20th. Robert William Thomson invented the pneumatic tyre in December 1845 and scientist and inventor William Thomson, though born in Belfast, became associated with Glasgow University and became Lord Kelvin. He gave his name to the measurement of temperature "Kelvin".

Clan McThomas, which is the only variant of the name recognised by the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs, has a motto "Deo iuvante invidiam superabo" - I will overcome envy with God's help".

There are Clan MacTavish/Thompson web sites here and here.

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County Wicklow Ireland Census Records & Substitutes

A government census was taken of the all of Ireland in the years 1821~1831~1841~1851~1861~1871~1881~1891~1901 and 1911. Unfortunatly 1821~1831~1841 and 1851 were almost compleetly destroyed in 1922 in a fire at the P.R.O. (Public Record Office). Even worse the census records for the years 1861~1871~1881 and 1891 were completely destroyed earlier, by government order.

What this means is that the earliest surviving compleet census records are for 1901 and 1911. The original 1901 and 1911 Census can be consulted at the National Archives of Ireland. A microfilm copy of the 1901 census is available at the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City or at a LDS Family history Center.

Wicklow Census Substitutes

1641 ~ Book of Survey and Distribution. Available at the National Library of Ireland.

1669 ~ Hearth Money Roll. Available at the National Archives of Ireland.

1745 ~ Poll Book. Avalable at the Public Records Office Northern Ireland.

1746 ~ List Of Wicklow Ireland Noblemen. On Line At Ancestors At Rest.Com

1766 ~ Parishes of Drumkay, Dunganstown, Kilpoole, Rathdrum, Rathnew. Available at the Wicklow Heritage Centre.

1798 ~ Persons who suffered losses in the 1798 rebellion. Available at the National Library of Ireland.

1823,37 ~ Tithe Books. The Tithe Applotment books were compiled between 1823 and 1837 in order to determine the amount which occupiers of agricultural holdings should pay in tithes to the Church of Ireland. There is a manuscript book for almost every parish, giving the names of occupiers, the amount of land held, and the sums to be paid in tithes. There are copies in the National Archives of Ireland.

1842,48 ~ Emigrants list. Available at the National Library of Ireland.

1852,53 ~ The Primary Valuation (also known as Griffith's Valuation) was published between 1847 and 1864. There is a printed valuation book for each barony or poor law union, showing the names of occupiers of land and buildings, the names of persons from whom these were leased, and the amount and value of the property held. These records are now available on microfiche at the National Archives of Ireland.

do you know how tall Viking where ????

"The examination of skeletons from different localities in Scandinavia reveals that the average height of the Vikings was a little less than that of today: men were about 5 ft 7-3/4 in. tall and women 5 ft 2-1/2 in. The most extensive recent anthropological study was carried out in Denmark, but the situation must have been similar elsewhere. Skeletons of people as tall as 6 ft 1/2 in. have been found, and those in richly furnished Viking graves - belonging to high- ranking people - were on average considerably taller than those in the more ordinary graves, undoubtedly because of better living conditions. A double grave on Langeland in Denmark contained two adult males, typically, the smaller one had been decapitated, and had probably had his hands tied behind his back, while the other was interred with his spear in the normal fashion - obviously a case of a slave (measuring 5 ft 7-1/4 in.) who had to accompany his master (5 ft 9-3/4 in.) in death. However, the skeleton found in Jelling church, thought to be that of King Gorm of Denmark (later known as Gorm the Old), was only of average height. This man was 5 ft 7-3/4 in. tall, with heavy, robust features, but not heavily built."

Douglas Thompson Fitzwilliam N.H. D.N.A.

The Roche D.N.A. Roche Family Histrory, Posted By Douglas Thompson This is the Roche side of My Family .

Haplogroup R - Haplotype R-U106*

R1b Migratory Map - East to West

A Haplogroup is a population of varying size descended from a common ancestor, as evidenced by specific mutations. Haplogroups are NOT cultural, although a haplogroup can be strongly represented by a cultural population.
The Y Chromosome Consortium (YCC) has assigned hierarchical alphanumeric labels which can be presented graphically in the form of a haplogroup tree. It is shown in a compressed version below.

People must remember that the Ice Age (the Last Glacial Maximum) muddied the waters when it comes to developing an entirely orderly evolution within our Haplotype. Haplogroup R, spawned R1a, R1b, and Rb2. R1b, before the Ice Age, is thought to have existed in four regional variants :

North-Sea Baltic
Alpine-South German, and
In Europe, R1b was thought to have entered from the east as pre-historic hunter-gatherers. They migrated along rivers, coastlines and high ground to the Baltic, Med and Atlantic. All were thought to have lived originally in Russia near the Volga River, migrating in two tranches, west to the Russian-Baltic area and southwest to the Black Sea and South Germany.

Eventually the Russian Baltic evolved into North Sea Baltic and the South Germanic evolved into the Atlantic variants. The "names" evolved from mutations that occurred at a given time in one tiny section of male DNA called the 390 locus. But don't worry about that sort of thing, unless you are a scientist or geneticist.

It is felt that the original R1b had a value of 24 at DYS 390. Archaeological findings were matched to the genetic changes at 390, and they came up with the following ages for each of the four variants:

Russian-Baltic -- 24-28,000 years
North-Sea Baltic -- 21-25,000
Alpine-South German -- 18-22,000, and
Atlantic -- 14-18,000
We have 23 at 390, and it was found to a greater or lesser degree in the four variants:

Russian-Baltic -- 23%
North Sea-Baltic -- 38%
Alpine-South German -- 30%, and
Atlantic -- 18%
So the quick and dirty conclusion would be that we are North-Sea Baltic, and we might be, but R1b changes or evolves, differentiating and expanding in reverse, with the least differences in the older variants.

That is reflected in the Map at the Top of the page. It implies that we came west and, like many in R1b headed for shelter during the Ice Age for the Iberian Peninsula (which scientists call a Refugium). As we will see in a moment, things are not so straightforward. In fact, R1b sheltered in two places - one Iberia, and two, the south east.

All haplogroups [A to T] work in much the same way, except that timelines vary - and we are speaking here of male, not female - y not mt DNA. This all falls under the domain of Molecular Genealogy. Another term for it is "Anthrogenealogy".

I will try to avoid too much scientific detail; the specifics of ever-changing science of genetics are daunting ? that way madness lies!

The map below will give you an idea of what I mean ? consider that each of the labeled groups [A to T] has 20 or more subsets, and you will understand why I must stay close to our own (R1b). But it does serve by way of example.

As a haplotype within the R1b haplogroup, R-U106* is considered to have mutated into existence during or near the end of the the Ice Age ? perhaps in northwestern Europe, not the Iberian Peninsula. Assuming we started out as R (Paleolithic Man: 30,000 BC), you can see below that R1b split from R, and each went in opposite directions.

Note: Haplogroup R is identified by eight markers: M207, M306, P224, P227, P229, P232, P280, and P285 plus 42 mutations identifying 28 subclades. The majority of European Y DNA belongs to R. [if you already tested as R, ignore the foregoing].
Major Changes - 2008: R is known to have derived from M207; P297 combines M73 and M269 into R1b1b. M269 joins the M37, M65, M153, SRY2627, M222, P66, U106, and U152 to become R1b1b2. U152 joins the R-M126 and R-M160 lineages, as well as U152 to form R1b1b2h.

Caveats: Additional changes to R1a1 (indo-European) may result as testing of M56, M157, M64.2 and PK5 on P98(+). M18 and M335 have not been tested on P297(+) because of the absence of positive controls. Thus, the branches defined by M18 and M335 might descend from P297(+).

Three copies of the P25 lie within palindromic repeats with mutations at P25, and undergo reversion by gene conversion (translation - Mother Nature's mistakes and the body's sometimes ineffective attempts to repair them) require that this marker be used in conjunction with P297.

[A Marker is simply an identifiable location on a chromosome that varies from person to person, whose genetic inheritance can be tested. It is used with allele values (like numbers on a BINGO card) to help describe an man's haplotype.

Marker labels, such as M173 or DYS388, have no real meaning - they are IDs arbitrarily assigned to pieces of genetic tissue, so that everyone is talking about the same thing when using the marker or ID - like a name].

We have been recently ?confirmed? by FTDNA as haplotype:
R1b1b2a1a4* or R-U106*

FTDNA - Nov/08

But the information above, plus the [*] indicates that there may be more testing ahead, tiny refinements to findings by researchers, in our genetic data that will confirm that designation or modify it slightly within a range.
We are fine to a point. They looked for L1-; L48+; M37; M65; M153; SRY2627; M222; P66; & U152 - and we didn't have them. But we had M269 (an important link); plus M173; M207; M343; U106 & P25 - the sometimes wonky one with palindromic repeats - and, if you check the chart below, you will see how some of these alphanumeric IDs take you one way and others another.

The green line on the chart traces how scientists (geneticists at FTDNA) found us to have evolved via mutation. The chart is clear and effective (I hope) in illustrating how Molecular Genealogy or GenoGenealogy works.

They followed the labeled sequence of mutations in our DNA samples back until there are no other parts that could be identified as proven (for now). Thus a mutation is a permanent structural alteration or change in a DNA sequence. Mutations in Y DNA - which, by the way is in the Y chromosome, and can be passed only by a male to his sons and through them to other male descendents.

Y DNA can be tested to determine both the male haplotype and haplogroup because it is passed on to all male descendants until another mutation occurs, and the process starts all over again with a new branch (haplotype) of the genetic line. This does not mean the death of the old one of course. Many twigs can sprout on many branches of many trees.

The paternal "Line of Descent" created - a direct line of descent from ancestral father to son to son to son - along an all male line - is what is traced in Y DNA testing. Below, you see a phylogenetic or Y DNA tree: a diagram showing our (and other) evolutionary lineage/s within our Haplogroup, R1b:

Our Latest R Grouping>
If you have been tested R1b but your results are different alpha-numerically, you can follow your own family's R1b development on the same chart. Your end point will vary as the individual parts vary and are, therefore, named differently.

Of course, the chart is not really for immediate family. It only goes to the branches. A branch can have many twigs. But I will be delighted to find my ancestral group (and, therefore, a place or places on the planet). If I don't find family, because they haven't tested, I will still consider this to have been a worthwhile exercise.

As for actual family, the trick lies in finding them, talking them into a test, and then putting up with them - in some cases :-) You might find them quite by accident as a result of your Y DNA results, but with so many of our surname, that would be almost like winning a lotto.

Quite a trick, but some, amazingly, have done it; and they have even had family reunions among living descendents of a common male ancestor. We are closing in on our origins. There was, given our location, a lot of interaction between us and our (Viking) neighbours, some violent, and some, hopefully, peaceful. Now, it would be terrific to be either Iberian or Northern R1b. It would mean that we are likely Anglo-Frisian (continental) or Celtic (insular) and, therefore, associated with either or two well known and document cultures.

They would be the post-Ice Age Corded Ware/Single Grave Culture/s of the Frisians taken to Britain by the Romans in AD 70 or with the Aurignacian peoples who did the amazing art work in the caves at Lascaux, France; Altimira, Northern Spain; or the open-air Fox Coa in Portugal about 12,000 years ago.

The latter re-populated western Europe from Iberia to Scandinavia after the Ice Age (reference Niall of the Nine Hostages). The former are assumed to have sheltered to the southeast (Anatolia and the Middle East).

They are sometimes found near Jewish populations, including Britain, leading some to believe they were brought from the southeast by the Romans. However, that also occurred with the Friesians and their allies in the northwest when they almost defeated Rome in AD 69 (more below), then located a little less to the northwest.

Eventually there was a country, Frisia, next to the Danish border, extending south. This means they were likely at least involved with the Corded-Ware/Single-Grave Culture/s - Pagans - who had Sagas and other beliefs, similar to those of the Scandinavians. They had their own gods and mythologies, perfectly suited to them and their way of life.

On them were based a body of law and a runic alphabet. Thus, there is some uncertainty about migratory patterns. You will see this in the lighter lines on the map at the very beginning of this section.

So we have gone deep into the composition and origin of our yDNA - it has told us where to look - in times past - for our ancestors - whether Roaches by then - or not. Genes came well before surnames.

It might be helpful to view a broader canvas (we are in red on the map - left). Because each group can be associated with vast areas, and there has been an intermingling of races in Europe, tests have divided haplogroups into haplotypes and even smaller divisions.
Large numbers of participants will be needed to allow elaboration of these patterns. In our case, for example, we are close to R1b1c9* or, with later nomenclature, R1b1b2g*.

Finally, the University of Arizona, tried to put a permanent name on the haplotype (admitting that it might be difficult to maintain consistency in future). But in, 2008 we had a new designation - one with even a short-hand version for convenience.

Translation R1b1c9 (S21), recently discovered by EthnoAncestry, appears to be the most common early marker for R1b1c. This group is most common in Frisia (now the Netherlands) and, in general, the predominant R1b Frisian haplogroup.

It may have originated towards the end of the last ice age, c 7000 BC, in northwestern Europe. It has several subgroups, each identified. We are neither with 100% certainty, thus R1b1c9*; R1b1b2g*; and for now R1b1b2a1a4* (R-U106*, short-form).

History had dubbed us Flemish, but I must admit, NW Europe feels like a better fit. Being up there after the Ice Age with Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Danes matches our temprament. Also, the Flemish are generally not big men; we have been, comparitively over the centuries, dominant in physical size. If there is a war, you want us on your side! Like the four associated groups, we can fight! The [*] means there is yet another marker or mutation to be found before we will know exactly where we fit between Angles and Frisians. Europeans insist we are Frisian, but the Americans want better science. One big difference is that the latter use more markers - 12-67 versus 6-8-12-20.

EthnoAncestry decided we were most common in Frisia (now the Netherlands) and, in general, the predominant R1b Frisian haplogroup. The same group is found in the English Midlands in much higher number than in Ireland.

Soon FTDNA came onside and filled out the designation - Anglo-Frisian - which presumably includes Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians - and certainly fits dominant characteristics. While I have a near match in Ireland and another in the Midlands, the European, Irish and Flemish Modals decided it for me. We are not within a country mile of either.

The one significant difference from the Anglo-Frisians to the North (also found in Jutland as Jutes (Danes), I can explain - looking in the historic record. There is good reason for our haplotype, once you throw in the Anglos with the Frisiens, possibly slightly different genetically, but either together or feeling they are one even when separate today.

Accepting that Frisians from the North and the Netherlands (the modern Benelux Federation) is easy when you understand that they migrated south by land in AD 250. So there is a real admixture of continental R1bs in northern Germany, western Europe and the English Midlands.

They first arrived in the Isles compliments of the Romans, were invited back in the 5th century by King Vortigern, may have been with the Danes later, and finally may have even been with the Conqueror, among others from the Benelux Region.

There is certainly no shortage of insular R1bs throughout the Isles (even if you include the Bretons). So our designation fits! Now, it is a simple matter of a few finishing genetic touches - a marker or two - to be confirmed by research.

Iberian Celts simply migrated north by land and sea after the Ice Age. I don't think a final determination in our case will involve a major change, but merely a more narrow geographic focus, more consistent with the average person's (my) understanding of nationalities, borders, genealogy and history.

We are either Anglo-Frisian, or something between one or the other by a genetic hair's breadth.

I am quite happy to wait - FTDNA has competent geneticists, were in this business early and have gone above and beyond for me on several occasions. If you are one of the surname Roache (by any of a multitude of spellings in many languages, living and dead, why not see discover where you belong.

Douglas Thompson of Fitzwilliam N.H.

Hello Thompson's, I am Douglas Thompson
My Family was from Fitzwilliam N.H. 1960's - Date
some in Florida . Thompson is a Viking name ,N.W. Europe at the last Ice age or the (the Last Glacial Maximum) People must remember that the Ice Age (the Last Glacial Maximum) muddied the waters when it comes to developing an entirely orderly evolution within our Haplotype.On the Roche side of my Family is Haplogroup R, spawned R1a, R1b, and Rb2. R1b, before the Ice Age, is thought to have existed in four regional variants :

North-Sea Baltic
Alpine-South German, and
In Europe, R1b was thought to have entered from the east as pre-historic hunter-gatherers. They migrated along rivers, coastlines and high ground to the Baltic, Med and Atlantic. All were thought to have lived originally in Russia near the Volga River, migrating in two tranches, west to the Russian-Baltic area and southwest to the Black Sea and South Germany.
A Haplogroup is a population of varying size descended from a common ancestor, as evidenced by specific mutations. Haplogroups are NOT cultural, although a haplogroup can be strongly represented by a cultural population.

Starting with myself hear are 5 gen.Back Douglas John < John Willy < Harry < Samuel < Abraham

Douglas Thompson

Drink with the Vikings!!

These are the words of the great god ??inn, cautioning against drunkenness and unrestrained drinking. And yet the drinking of alcoholic beverages was a prominent feature of Scandinavian life in the Viking Age.

Unfortunately, while there are many passing references in Old Norse literature and occasional bits of evidence in the archaeological record, there is far from a complete picture of Viking Age brewing, vintning, and drinking customs. In the course of this article, evidence from several Germanic cultures will be presented to help fill out the evidence and provide a more complete view of this topic. Although the culture of other Germanic peoples was not exactly like that of the Norse, many similarities exist. In the case of drinking and rituals associated with drinking, the Old English materials seem to present the best detailed view of this activity, which further enlightens the materials surviving from Norse culture.

Many pieces of related evidence survive, even from the earliest records of the Germanic peoples. There are significant similarities that suggest the fundamental structure of drinking as a formal ritual activity was established in the early Germanic tribes before the Migration Age split the Germanic peoples into their familiar nations of the modern day.

Drinking and drinking customs among the Germanic tribes were recorded by Romans such as P. Cornelius Tacitus in his Germania:

fitzwilliam n.h. thompsons

Looking for Thompson's Herbie e. Thompson st.Augasine Fl., Lilly Thompson , George Thompson, Phillis Thompson Sabastain,Jannice Thompson All Brothr's of my Father John Willie Thompson Born in Whitingsville mass.
Thank you all if you have info.
Douglas Thompson
cell 904-662-1943 24-7

Found Him ~

fitzwilliam n.h. thompsons

Looking for Thompson's Herbie e. Thompson st.Augasine Fl., Lilly Thompson , George Thompson, Phillis Thompson Sabastain,Jannice Thompson All Brothr's of my Father John Willie Thompson Born in Whitingsville mass.
Thank you all if you have info.
Douglas Thompson
Jaxcskonville Florida U.S.A.
cell 904-662-1943 24-7
Also looking for Roche's present or past if you can help call me
the name in the Roche family are all in my family tree at (my heretige)
under thompson(douglas john-1965)=thompson,s are also in it!

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Fitzwilliam was a small town in the years leading up to the Revolutionary War, its population was only 250 in 1774, but those 250 residents were committed to supporting the rebel cause. When news of the battles at Lexington and Concord reached Fitzwilliam in April 1775, the town was ready to mobilize its militia and join the fight. In May 1775, the New Hampshire Provincial Congress voted to raise a 2,000 man army and help their fellow patriots in the war for freedom.The 2,000 man army was split in to three regiments with the 2nd Regiment being commanded by Fitzwilliam's own Colonel James Reed.

James Reed was the second person, and the only one of the original proprietors to settle in Monadnock No. 4. In 1755, during the French and Indian War, he was an officer in the army and received the commission of Lieutenant Colonel. Then, at fifty, he served in the army during the Revolutionary war. After he heard about the battles at Lexington and Concord, Reed raised a Company of volunteers and marched them to Medford. He continued to enlist more volunteers, many from Cheshire County, and soon had four companies under his command. The New Hampshire Provisional Assembly even appointed Reed Colonel of a regiment in 1775. He became known as General Reed later in the War when he was appointed a brigadier- general. However, during the war he was sick much of the time and end up almost blind, forcing him to retire from active duty before the end of the Revolution. He later died in Fitchburg.