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parents of John Secker of Hampton Court Palace, 1700s?


I'm researching this for a friend, but it's beginning to feel like part of my own family!

John Secker (date/place of birth & parent names unknown - help pls!)

John was Clerk Comptroller of His Majesty's Kitchens from 1761 when he was appointed by Earl Talbot, perhaps until his death in 1785. Prior to that, he held the post of Gentleman Harbinger in 1760, and before that he was Clerk of the Spicery. He was at Hampton Court Palace at least from 1769 to his death, and after he died his wife Mary & two unmarried daughters lived the rest of their lives at the palace. I'm in touch with a palace staffer & expect more info about this period.

John had a residence at Hampton Court Palace (a 'perk' of his job, likely) but in his will listed his home as Lamb's Conduit Street, though Hampton Court was also mentioned.

John seems to have been a friend of Peregrine Cust, a former MP in England, who was to have been an executor of John's will, but died before John.

My guess is that John was born about 1700-1720.

He may be related to Archbishop Thomas Secker's family. If so I don't have the connection. He and his wife, Mary Tombes, were married 29 Mar 1757 at St Martin in the Fields, Westminster, London; the marriage was performed by Thomas Secker, then Bishop of Oxford.

John and Mary had at least five children. Four were baptized at St Andrew, Holborn: Mary in 1758, Elizabeth in 1759, Anne in 1762 and George in 1766. John & Mary are listed as 'of Millman Street' at the time of these baptisms. Their son Henry was baptized at St Mary, Hampton, in 1769.

It appears that the daughter, Mary, died before John did; she doesn't appear in his will. Elizabeth and Anne didn't marry, and lived out their lives at Hampton Court. I'd love to find more information on George and Henry, as well as John's origins.

There were enough John Seckers born during the period in question that he's not easy to find. I'm going through them all, gradually. There is a John Seckker baptized in 1702 at St Leonard Shoreditch, in Hackney, but later siblings of this one are bearing the surname Sacker, and I'm inclined to think that 'my' John was born outside London.

Through this, I've gathered a fair amount of information on both the archbishop's family and a number of other Seckers. I'll be glad to share & hope you will too, if you think you may have John of Hampton in your family tree!

It can be terribly frustrating at times, but I just love family history!

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CHAMNEY in Portsmouth, Hampton Court, Cumbria

Hi, fellow family-history junkies!

I've found relatively few family trees relating to my Chamney ancestors. It surprises me a bit, because there were many children over three generations or so. I'd love to hear from other Chamneys of my line & share information. I have a fair amount, and you may have something that I haven't.

My great-grandfather, Marcus Mitchell Chamney, immigrated to Minnesota from Portsmouth, England, in the mid 1850s, several years after one of his sisters.

Marcus' father was William Chamney, who was a confectioner in Portsmouth; for a time he was 'by appointment to HRH.' His wife was Mary Ann Bayman; they were married in 1834 at Long Ditton, Surrey and moved to Portsmouth. William and Mary Ann had 10 children, baptized at Portsea, Portsmouth. At least 7 of those children lived to adulthood. I used to have a photo of Mary Ann as an old woman, but the photo was unfortunately destroyed; I hope someday to find a relative who can email me a copy of the photo.

William was born at Hampton Court, baptized there in 1808. His parents were Thomas Chamney and Hannah Wolstenholme (spelling of her maiden name varies).

Thomas was a confectioner at Hampton Court Palace during the early 1800s. I'm in touch with a terrific staffer at the palace, and am expecting some documents from him that I'll be glad to share with any other descendants from this line. Thomas and Hannah were married in 1800 in London. Thomas & Hannah had 10-12 children, baptized at St. Mary, Hampton, in Richmond-upon-Thames, which is the parish church for the palace. I've tracked five of those children to adulthood. Thomas was baptized in Bardsea, Lancs., in 1779. His parents were Edward Chamney and Susannah Noble.

Edward, I believe, was baptized in 1753 in Allithwaite, Lancs. (It's hard to tell because of spelling variations & possible transcription errors). Susannah seems to be the daughter of Lawrence Noble; I found a baptism for a Susan Noble in Bardsea in 1757. Edward & Susannah were married in Ulverston in 1777. Edward & Susannah had 8 children baptized in Bardsea from 1778-1788, most of whom survived childhood, and possibly three more baptized in Ulverston 1792-1795.

That's as far as I've been able to trace the tree back. I'm uncertain as to who Edward's parents were; his father's name may be John. At the time they married, Edward was of Aldingham, and Susannah of Ulverston. I know there were quite a few Chamneys in Cumbria and Westmorland, but obviously don't have enough information to make a connection.