Is this the 1861 you refer to

Name: Edward Riley
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Abigail Riley
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull in Dwner, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Pitsmoor
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Riley 36, Carter,
Abigail Riley 36
Abel Riley 12
Mary Riley 9
William Riley 7
Elizabeth Riley 5
George Robert Riley 1

all born Hulland Ward Derbyshire not Ballanmallard

This is family in 1851 Census

Name: Edwin Riley
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Son
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Riley
Father's name: Abel Riley
Gender: Male
Where born: Hullandward, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Hulland Ward
County/Island: Derbyshire
Household Members:
Name Age
Abel Riley 71, head, Widow, b Altow Derbyshire
Edwin Riley 28, son
Elizabeth Riley 26, daughter in law
Abel Riley 1, grandson

** Note name Elizabeth

Birth of Abel, a copy will give you mothers details

Births Sep 1849
Riley Abel Ashbourne 19 349

Baptism for children
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Edward Riley
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1851
Baptism Place: Hulland,Derby,England
Father: Edward Riley
Mother: Eliza.
FHL Film Number: 498093, 498150

Name: William Riley
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 24 Sep 1854
Baptism Place: Mugginton, Derbyshire, England
Father: Edward Riley
Mother: Elizabeth Riley
FHL Film Number: 498107

Name: Elizabeth Riley
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1856
Baptism Place: Mugginton,Derby,England
Father: Edward Riley
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 498107

Name: George Robert Riley
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1859
Baptism Place: Hulland,Derby,England
Father: Edward Riley
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1041143

Hi,

Thank you so much for that. I never thought to look for a name variation in Edward.

Do you think Edward would of remarried after Elizabeth as i have been unable to find a marriage certificate for them.

Regards

sue

There are a couple of possible options for Elizabeth in marriages

Marriages Mar 1849
Bainbridge Elizabeth Belper 19 351
Harrison Elizabeth Belper 19 351
Riley Edward Belper 19 351

you would need to purchase a copy of Edwards marriage to find out which Elizabeth or purchase Abel's birth and that will give you her maiden name and their marriage details.

Possible 1841 Census for Abel

Name: Abell Riley
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ashbourne
Hundred: Appletree
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Household Members:
Name Age
Abell Riley 60 Ag Lab
Frances Riley 50
George Riley 20
Sarah Hodson 0 (reads 8)

This is possibly Edwards father Abel's burial

England, Select Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910
Name: Abel Riley
Birth Date: 1775
Burial Date: 29 Dec 1855
Burial Place: Hulland, Hulland, Derbyshire, England
Burial Age: 80
FHL Film Number: 1041143

I think the 1861 Census has the wrong name Abigail should read Elizabeth as the children's baptism that I found all have Elizabeth as mother.

I still think the best thing would be to purchase Abel or one of the other children's birth certificates to verify the details.

Great, thanks again for even more info.

ive just emailed derbyshire records so i can hopefully purchase the certificates.

Regards

Sue

You can purchase the marriage online directly through GRO UK

gro.gov.uk

you have all the details to fill in what you need for Edward and for Elizabeth just her first name no surname will give you the right certificate.

You do need to login and create an account but it quite easy to follow

These are the fees

Standard :
Despatched on the 4th working day from receipt of order. Cost: £9.25 per certificate.

Priority :
Despatched next working day from receipt of order. Cost: £23.40 per certificate.

This is the church marriage record for Edward Riley and Elizabeth Bainbridge, Edwards father's name is Abel

England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers
Name Edward Riley
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 30 Jan 1849
Event Place Duffield, Duffield, Derbyshire, England
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Father's Name Abel Riley
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Bainbridge
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name Samuel Bainbridge


Link to parish register entry:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VNYS-WDX

Thank you