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Alice Elizabeth SMITH, ROWLEY, LANGMAN - New Zealand

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In an attempt to help Dolina with her query of 1 August 2010:
Looking for Nobes of Hukerenui NZ in which she writes:
... I am a direct descendant of Alice Elizabeth Smith, born 28 March 1882 her Mother was Florence Maud Smith born c 1864 Halstead, Essex England. No father recorded on Alice's birth certificate.
Alice was born before Florence married Edward Rowley on 26 Feb 1885 in the Parsonage of Te Kopuru, they settled in Hukerenui.
Alice married Alfred Nobes 6 January 1898 in Whangarei. Alice had 12 children of which my Father was one. Family names of SMITH, NOBES, ROWLEY, NORTON & LANGMAN were used for birth registrations of her children. Question, I know Alice had later suitors and married John William Langman of Matapouri, but what more can I learn of Alfred Nobes and how many of these children did he Father?

Alice married Alfred NOBES on 6 January 1898 as Alice ROWLEY
- on 17 November 1912 in Auckland Supreme Court Alice was granted a decree nisi from Alfred on the grounds of desertion

Alice married John William LANGMAN on 20 March 1913 as Alice ROWLEY

by looking up all the surnames she listed LANGMAN NOBES NORTON ROWLEY SMITH and the children of each name born to an Alice or Alice Elizabeth I have come up with the following list:

OF COURSE, only some (or none at all) of these children may be hers ...

1898 - NOBES, Alfred Jose
- mother Alice
- father Alfred Nobes

1901 - ROWLEY, Annie Florence
- mother Alice Elizabeth
- father not recorded

1903 - NOBES, Beatrice Maude Rowley
- mother Alice Elizabeth
- father not recorded

20 December 1904 - 1980 LANGMAN, John Jeremiah Croyle
- mother Alice Elizabeth
- father not recorded

1906 - 1977 ROWLEY, Frederick Henry
- mother Alice Elizabeth
- father not recorded

1908 - ROWLEY, Hazel Margaret May
- mother Alice Elizabeth
- father not recorded

1910 - NOBES, Gambaldi Mervyn
- mother Alice Elizabeth
- father not recorded

the only NORTON found born to an Alice was:
1901 - Frederick Thomas NORTON
- mother Alice Maud Mary
- father not recorded

the SMITH surnames were much more difficult
- because Alice had a tendancy to not name the fathers I have included a list of chilren born up to 1910 to an Alice without the father:

1895 - Nellie
1905 - Gilbert Douglas
1906 - Beatrice
1908 - Alice
1908 - Henry George

Alice died as a LANGMAN on 23 November 1931 aged 49
John William LANGMAN died on 15 August 1942 aged 75

Nothing found on Alfred NOBES after 1912
- can you please help (add a comment below)

A William John LANGMAN was born in Whangarei in 1921
- he served in WWII as Gunner #272205
- his next of kin was Mrs E.D.M. Donaldson (sister), Matapouri, Whangarei
- he died in Whangarei on 22 Nov 2004 aged 83 and is in the RSA Section of Kauri Cemetery
He may be a descendant ...

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by Dolina on 2011-09-20 00:41:41

William John LANGMAN 1921- 2004 is the youngest child of John William LANGMAN & Alice Elizabeth ROWLEY m 20 March 1913

by Dolina on 2011-09-30 23:27:08

Alfred NOBES after 1912.18 Oct 1912 Patrick Alfred McGUIRE wrote a letter to the Supreme Court, Auckland from H.M.Prison outlining his change of name from that of his stepfather to his mothers's maiden name, he also stated he would not oppose the custody of Alfred Joel NOBES.Ref,BBAE Box76 D619.
5 Dec 1912 "At the Supreme Court Patrick Alfred McGUIRE was sentenced to ten years imprisonment for having carnal knowledge of a child under ten years of age"
05 Mar 1913 Alfred NOBES. Divorce petition by Alice Elizabeth NOBES Decree Absolute filed.Ref,BBAE 4984 Box76 D619.
4 March 1925 Alfred NOBES commonly known as Patrick Alfred McGUIRE married Winifred GRIFFIN in Auckland Ref,BDM 1925/3402.His Mother named on cert. as Annie NOBES, maiden name McGUIRE .
19 March 1924 & 19 February 1928 Two infant burials,both named Patrick McGUIRE ,No family info
1929 Death,(stillborn) McGUIRE. Mother Winifred Edith & Father Patrick Alfred, BDM Ref.1029/2019.03.
Jan 1931 Winifred Edith McGUIRE died age 29. Buried at Waikumete Cemetery,Waitakere City.NZ.
13 May 1946 Patrick Alfred McGUIRE died age 71 yrs,buried also at Waikumete Cemetery.

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