Charles Burgess MANN - Karori, Wellington
a message from spooner 10 Nov 2011:
I note that you have information on Charles and Minnie Mann's children Hazel and Leo. I am related to Charles Burgess Mann and looking for details of Hazel and Leo. Are you able to pass on any information regarding children, deaths etc
Charles Burgess MANN (1861-1943) was born in Lyttelton, Christchurch, a son of Thomas (1830-1887) & Cordelia (1835-1904) MANN
Charles married Minnie Ursula COLE (1863-1937) 15 April 1890, daughter of John Cole (1830-1898) & Charlotte Jane Manning (1833-1866) of Christchurch
* They lived in Karori, Wellington
their known children
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1895 - 1968 Leo Durham Hardbattle MANN
born 2 Feb 1895 in Christchurch
adopted 2 Oct 1896 by Charles Burgess Mann
.. not verified, read on ..
* In Charles's will 1943 it states 'adopted son' Leo
In 1910 Leo was in Standard V at Karori School
In 1911 he was in Standard VI and received a proficiency Certificate. He also played cricket that year in junior championships, doing very well, retiring after 107 runs.
Leo served in WWI for New Zealand:
14 May 1915 Evening Post CALL TO ARMS Fifteen additional recruits registered at No 5 Group Office, Buckle-street, yesterday afternoon for service with the New Zealand Expeditionary Force in Europe, making 32 for the day. Another 21 men enlisted this morning. Yesterday afternoon's recruits were:- .. Leo Mann, engineer, Karori
* Brown hair & eyes, Fair complexion, 5' 11" tall, 181lbs (82kg), occupation engineer, 20 years 4 months old on enlistment 13 May 1915. He told them he was born 5 Feb 1895. He died in June 1968 aged 78 which would make a birth year of 1890. BDM has a birth date of 2 Oct 1896 which is possibly his adoption date
* Serial No: 3/951
* First Known Rank: Private, then Gunner
* Next of Kin: C. B. Mann (father), Hatton St, Karori, Wellington
* Marital Status: Single
* Enlistment Address: Hatton Street, Karori
* Military District: Wellington
* Body on Embarkation: 6th Reinforcements, transferred to 1st Battalion
* Embarkation Unit: Medical Corps/Field Ambulance
* Embarkation Date: 14 August 1915
* Place of Embarkation: Wellington, New Zealand
* Transport: HMNZT 27 OR 28
* Vessel: Willochra or Tofua
* Destination: Suez, Egypt
Leo served 3 years 345 days abroad - 28 June 1915 to 7 June 1919
* He was hospitalised a number of times, in London & France for influenza, diarrhoea and Trench Foot 5 times 1917/18 - still slightly present at Sling Camp 1919. He was AWOL a number of times, left hospital without a pass and drunkenness problems.
28 May 1919 he sailed home to NZ on the 'Northumerbalnd' with no further signs of trench feet. He applied a number of times for treatment of acne. This was refused as ruled not entitled.
19 Nov 1919 Leo Mann pleaded guilty to having negligently driven a motor-car in Cuba street and admitted that he had been drunk. In turning from Manners street into Cuba street he collided first of all with a shop and then struck a tramcar. Taking the view that such offences could not be lightly dealt with, the magistrate fined him £10 and 19s costs (2011 equivalent of $933).
Leo married Mary Jane DWYER 2 Nov 1920
22 May 1922 Leo appealed for an increase in his pension. Decision of the board was to stop his pension altogether and he was advised by letter.
15 Dec 1922 Leo presented at Trentham for pension payments due to trench feet. Medical Officer said disablement was nil.
Evening Post, 25 March 1922 MANN - On the 24th March 1922, to Mr and Mrs Leo Mann, of Hataitai - a son.
13 June 1927 he married (bigamously), to Mary Elizabeth SWINDLEY while first wife Mary is in Scotland visiting relatives
30 Sep 1926 Leo Mann, a fruit hawker in Otaki was fined £10 or 1 month imprisonment for being drunk while driving and £1 on each charge of not producing a drivers license, driving an unregistered lorry and hawking fruit without a license. His partner, John Martin was fined the same.
11 Oct 1926 He was fined £2 with 7s costs for driving a lorry without a license and a further 10s for driving an unlicensed vehicle
13 July 1927 In Wellington Magistrate's Court he is fined £1 for failing to produce a license, £1 for using an unregistered motor-lorry and £1 for having no lights
In 1932 he is in Sydney and marries Ruby Ellen WINSTANLEY (1909-), who was born in Koondrook, Victoria to May Bridget McDonough & John Ward ?
Leo enlisted for WWII at the Sydney Cricket Grounds, NSW on 16 Oct 1940
aged 44, 6' tall, 196lbs (89kg), dark complexion, eyes brown, hair dark grey. Said he was born 2 Oct 1896. His occupation listed as 'Gardener.' His address as 16 Bathurst St., City. Postal address P.O. Paddington, NSW. His next of kin was Ruby Mann at 66 Balkan St., Guildford, NSW, formerly 810 Surrey St., Darlinghurst, Sydney. He denied ever serving in WWI.
* Serial Number: Private N77434 with the 11th Garrison Battalion
* He was charged a number of times for misconduct, AWOL, breaking out of barracks, drunkenness, under detention, admonished, disciplined, fined and discharged medically unfit for service in Sydney, 18 Sep 1943, after serving from 14 April 1942, 2 years, 338 days
* on 11 June 1945 he stated to the police that he was living at the United Service Hotel in Paddington when his discharge papers were stolen from the Monterais? Cafe, George St., City
Leo & Ruby divorced In Kingswood, Western Sydney between July 1946 - Nov 1947
* Ruby next married divorcee, Thomas Alva Holborow (1911-1983) in 1948. (Thomas had 1st married Oriel 'Kathleen' Walker (1821-) in 1936 & had a son)
In 1951 Leo was informed by letter that he was not entitled to treatment for acne at the expense of the Defence Department.
In April 1956 the Returned Sailor's & Soldier's Imperial League (RSSILA), on behalf of Leon, asked the Army for a duplicate certificate of discharge but were told discharge duplicates were not issued. They sent instead a certificate of service.
Leo died 3 June 1968 in Strathfield, NSW
* For years after his death, letters were written to and from the Public Trustee to the Australian Military Forces Records Office in Melbourne to try and establish the existence and entitlement of a will. In Feb 1970 they asked if he had ever served under the name of Norman Reginald Mann. They replied 'No'. In Jan 1971 it was asked if he had served in WWI as records showed he had suffered from Trench Fever in 1921, therefore assuming active service overseas. They replied, 'No records were found in the name of Leo Mann serving in WWI'.
In Sep 1971 proof of birth was requested. They replied that he had stated he was born in Christchurch 2 Oct 1896 but his parents names were not given. Correspondence stopped 7 Jan 1972.
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16 March 1900 - baby daughter MANN
baby died 20 March 1900 aged 4 days. She is buried Plot 292 E, Public, at Karori
NOTE Her parents were both cremated at Karori. Possible their ashes are interred with her.
.. 3 ..
30 Sept 1901 - 1993 Hazel Lesley MANN
Wairarapa Daily Times, 14 Jan 1924 The engagement is announced of Miss Hazel Mann, only daughter of Mr and Mrs C. B. Mann, Hataitai, Wellington, to Mr W. M. Nairn, of the Masterton branch of the National Bank and formerly of Wellington.
Hazel married William Mathewson NAIRN (1900-1959) in 1925
Wairarapa Daily Times, 4 Dec 1925 NAIRN-MANN A wedding celebrated recently at St Paul's Pro-Cathedral was that of Hazel Lesley, only daughter of Mr and Mrs C. B. Mann, to Mr William Mathewson Nairn, formerly of Masterton. Archdeacon Johnson performed the ceremony and Mr Robert Parker played the wedding music. The bride, who was given away by her father, wore a French gown of ivory georgette, beaded in crystal. The tulle veil, held in place with a coronet of orange blossom, also formed the train and a beautiful bouquet of white and pale pink flowers was carried. Their were two bridesmaids, Misses Belle Halliday and Olga Lezard. They both wore frock of cyclamen georgette, with crinoline hats and bouquets to tone. The bridegroom was attended by Mr Beal and Mr Eric Ackland. After the ceremony a large number of guests were entertained at a reception.
• at various times William was a Bank Manager & the Manager of the Criterion Hotel in New Plymouth. He was also a Hotelkeeper in Hamilton where he died in 1959 aged 59. His ashes were scattered in Purewa, Auckland. His Probate was in Hamilton & the file held in Auckland
13 Dec 1895 SUPREME COURT
CRIMINAL SITTINGS. In the stamp case against Bernard Watts and Alexander G. Fabian, charged with the theft of defaced postage stamps from the Telegraph Department, the following evidence was heard yesterday afternoon:- .. Charles B. Mann, assistant storekeeper in the Telegraph stores, gave evidence of cablegrams being missing from the bags opened by Mr Black and himself ..
1897 - Mr Charles Burgess Mann, Assistant Storekeeper of the Post and Telegraph Office Stores Department, was born in Lyttelton, where his father, the late Mr. Thomas Mann, was a Government officer. Educated at St Michael and All Angels' Grammar School in Christchurch, he entered the Public Service in Wellington as a cadet in the Telegraph Department in 1879. Two years later he was promoted to the position of Assistant Storekeeper. Mr Mann has taken an active interest in athletics - when in Christchurch he was coxswain of the Canterbury Rowing Club. In football he has been a member of the Poneke and Athletic Football Clubs and was associated with the Bohemian and Poneke Cricket Clubs. In 1890 Mr Mann was married to Miss Minnie, daughter of Mr John Cole, of Brookside Mills, Canterbury.
18 August 1898 COLE - On 17th August, at Christchurch, John Cole, late of Brookside, Canterbury, beloved father of Mrs C. B. Mann and E. E. Cole (of this city), aged 68 years.
16 March 1900 MANN - On the 16th March, 1900, at her residence, the wife of C. B. Mann, of a daughter
28 Sep 1904 DEATH of Charles's mother
MANN - Sep 27, at her daughter's residence, Mrs Hawkings (Cordelia Elizabeth 1859-1944), Edgeware Road, St Albans, Cordelia Mann; aged sixty-nine years. A patient sufferer gone to rest.
10 April 1909 Mr Charles B. Mann, who has been appointed superintendent of the Post and Telegraph Stores Department in succession to Mr John Black, retired on superannuation, was born at Lyttelton, where his father, the late Mr Thos. Mann, was a Government officer. Educated at St Michael and All Angels' Grammar School in Christchurch, Mr Chas. Mann entered the Telegraph Department in Wellington in 1879, and two years later he became assistant storekeeper, a position which he has occupied ever since.
8 March 1912 Mr and Mrs C. B. Mann, of Karori, go South to-night, on a visit to Christchurch
23 April 1914 MAYORAL CONTESTS
KARORI - Mr William T. Hildreth has been elected Mayor of Karari, unopposed. Four nominations have been received for the vacancy on the Karori Borough Council caused by the retirement of Councillor W. J. Henderson. They are:- Mr Percival Clifton Jordan, nominated ny Messrs Charles N. Cathie, Frederick A. Barclay, Charles B. Mann and Henry Cook ..
2 Nov 1920 MANN-DWYER - On the 2nd November, 1920, at Wellington, Leo, only son of Mr and Mrs C. B. Mann, of Haitaitai, Wellington, to Mary, elder daughter of the late Mr Michael Dwyer, and Mrs R. Dwyer, of Kirkcaldy, Scotland
26 Aug 1921 POSTAL OFFICIAL FAREWELLED
The officers of the Stores Branch of the Post and Telegraph Department held a smoke concert in the Scottish Hall on Wednesday night for the purpose of saying farewell to Mr C. B. Mann, who recently retired from the position of Controller of Stores after having served 42 years with the Department ... more at link
13 July 1927 Wellington Court
BROKEN BYLAWS .. Leo Mann, for using an unregistered motor-lorry, £1
May 1933 POKEKE'S JUBILEE
VETERANS OF THE FIELD - SOLDIERS REMEMBERED
In the "old timers" match the A team, captained by Mitchinson, defeated the B team led by A. J. Griffiths. The match was treated with no more seriousness than usually attaches to such fixtures, and the referee, Mr W. J. Wallace, caused further amusement by ordering one of the players off the field for "questionable conduct"
The parade was led by the club captain, H. Wilson, carrying the club's banner, and he was followed by six 1883 members, Messrs A. F. Wiren (president), W. Beck, S. Dacon, E. Bull, W. Randell and C. B. MANN ... more at link PHOTO of Charles Burgess Mann in centre row. He is 2nd from left, incorrectly named as C. R. Mann
10 July 1937 MANN - On July 10th 1937, Minnie Ursula, beloved wife of Charles Burgess Mann and mother of Mrs W. M. Nairn. Private Interment
(note no mention of son Leo, although he was living in NSW)
Minnie was 74 years old. She was cremated at Karori
7 June 1943 MANN - The Friends of the late Charles Burgess Mann, 14 Rata Rd., are invited to attend his Funeral, which will leave our Chapel, 25 Kent Tce., on Monday, June 7 1943, at conclusion of Service, which will commence at 10 a.m., for the Crematorium, Karori
N.Z. PACIFIC LODGE, No 2. MANN - The Brethren of the above Lodge are requested to attend the Funeral of our late Bro. Charles Burgess Mann, which will leave the Chapel of E. Morris, Hunt., Ltd., 25 Kent Tce., on Monday, June 7, 1943, at conclusion of Service which will commence at 10 a.m, for the Crematorium, Karori. By Order, W.M.
Minnie Ursula Mann died 10 July 1937 aged 63.
Charles Burgess Mann died 4 June 1943 aged 81
* They were cremated at Karori