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Would you believe it? This journal was to be about ROSEBUD:FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA and now I can't find it. However, while I stumble around trying to find it again,here's something to go on with.

Early days in Rosebud, Victoria | steveburnham.net
The T-Model Ford was owned by Bert White (I think, I'll check), and the tree had grown over the road, been blown over a little more as far as it would go as a ...

Life in Rosebud in the early years | steveburnham.net
By Owen Vincent (Vin) Burnham. When I was quite young (about seven, early 1920s) the Nepean Highway was a gravel and dirt road right up to Frankston from ...

In the latter, Vin is confused regarding Judith Durham. The house was a timber one on the west side of Durham Place midway between the highway and the beach according to Judith who spent her first six summers there before her family moved to Tasmania. The Mr Durham mentioned was Tony Durham, Judith's grandfather. Tony was the child of his mother,Emily (nee King)and a Greek fisherman, whose surname is unclear. After his death, Emily married Mr Durham whose surname was adopted by Tony. His daughter married William Alexander Cock and in July 1943 Judith was born (Judith Mavis Cock) in Essendon while her father was earning his D.F.C.in the war. Her great grand-mother,Emily, was the sister of Elizabeth who married Forti Lacco,original grantee in the fishing village on the very block on which Emily's house stood,and patriarch of the famous wooden-boat building family.

I mentioned Chatfield's hut on the foreshore at Rosebud West in my journal about Rosebud Ted finding James George dead. When Chatfield turned to store-keeping, Axel Vincenttook over his foreshore hut and presumably his boat and gear.

Finally found it. Google: . Then click on "View a 9.6 MB pdf file of the pamphlet."

My aim in this journal, covering the area north of Eastbourne Rd,is four-fold.
1. To outline the squatting era,the parish and grantees and explain why the population was so small.
2. To deal page by page with any errors in ROSEBUD: FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA and provide extra detail.
3. To deal page by page with any errors in Vin Burnham's history and provide extra detail.
4. To describe detail in a map drawn by an unknown pioneer of residents in the fishing village and across the road.

Wannaeue is the name of the parish bounded by Burrell Rd in Dromana (*which you won't find on Melway), Mornington-Flinders Rd and part of Main Creek, Limestone Rd and Weeroona St/Government Rd in Rye and the Port Phillip Bay coast. Fingal was to the south, Nepean to the west, and to the east Kangerong and Balnarring separated by Arthurs Seat/Red Hill Rds.
*Burrell Rd is shown on the Dromana Township map as its western boundary between the Esplanade (as the beach road was named in Dromana,Rosebud and Rye) and the north-south section of Latrobe Pde.

As the Sullivan's Bay settlement near Sorrento was in the parish of Nepean, and Matthew Flinders and his nephew (later Sir John Franklin) were in Kangerong when they used Arthurs Seat to survey the bay, it is probable that the first white men to set foot in Wannaeue were sealers. Hollinshead mentions that an early explorer (Captain Murray in 1803?) found huts near the mouth of Chinaman's Creek (which at that time and until Ned Williams dug the channel was opposite the Rosebud Hospital site.) William Buckley's trek around the bay probably came after the sealers had killed off the seals and abducted many Boon-wurrung women whom they took to Tassie;this is why most Boon-wurrung descendants come from Tassie.

After John Batman had made his one-sided treaty to obtain a huge area north and west of the bay for the Port Phillip Association, he boasted in John Pascoe Fawkner's Cornwall Hotel in Launceston that he was the greatest landowner in the world. (THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER by C.P.Billot.) Fawkner may have already hatched plans for his own invasion but you could imagine how this spurred him into action. He immediately chartered a vessel but unfortunately it had to finish a previous charter. Eventually Fawkner and his party boarded the Enterprize but the Master refused to take Fawkner,who was put ashore in Queens Town to settle his financial affairs. Fawkner later gave sea-sickness as the reason he went ashore!

Captain Lancey was put in charge of the party which included Evans who established Emu Bottom near Sunbury. He was given instructions to try Westernport first but was unimpressed and entered the bay. A 1935 article,based on Lancey's diary gives exact dates for this and other incidents as they sailed up the bay and can be retrieved from my DROMANA ROSEBUD AND MILES AROUND ON TROVE if requested. The party landed near Rosebud but was also unimpressed by their walkabout.

Wannaeue included three squatting runs and possibly five. The Boniyong Run included part of the parish of Fingal,Tootgarook was in the area now carrying the name, Arthurs Seat probably included the parish of Kangerong (except for Jamieson's Special Survey), Wooloowoolooboolook was probably between Old Cape Schanck Rd and Boneo Rd and Captain Henry Everest Adams may have had a 750 acres Run adjoining the Arthurs Seat Run at Adams Creek (The Avenue) and extending south to Hove Rd. (Postscript 2017. This claim in the family folklore is probably wrong.He may have had a licence from the N.S.W. Government to occupy the proposed site of Wannaeue Village, crown allotment 20 Wannaeue between The Avenue and the line of Parkmore Rd until demand would result in good prices from its alienation.)

In 1843, Owen Cain established Tyrone west of Rye, and soon after, his four and a half year old daughter, Sarah, went missing for four days and nights.She heard searchers calling but didn't answer because she feared that the sounds came from aborigines. Near dead she was taken to George Smith's Wooloowoolooboolook Station where Mrs Smith (related to Captain Hobson of the Rattlesnake,according to Spencer Jackson in BEAUTIFUL DROMANA)nursed her back to health. (Postscript 2017. In I SUCCEEDED ONCE, Marie Hansen Fels insists that Wooloowooolooboolook (young McCrae's spelling)was not a run.Smith took over Hobson's run in about 1843 and called it Tootgarook and it was the humble homestead of this run that was referred to as Wooloowoolooboolook. The homestead was called Broomielaw by James Purves (son of Peter and nephew of the ABSENT leaseholder, James, who bought the pre-emptive right.)

The date of Captain Henry Everest Adams' arrival at Adams'Corner (Wattle Place) is shrouded in mystery. The amazing thing is that Adams' folklore mentions a 750 acre property (which is wrongly called a grant.) It was supposed to have been given to him as a reward for carrying convicts. Victoria prides itself on not having been a convict colony and turned away the Pentonvillians but I know when convicts were imported. It's all on trove! In about 1841 there was a severe labour shortage and the authorities imported ticket of leave men from Van Dieman's Land until the Bounty passengers from England ( such as Oliver and Sarah Wilson, subjects of one of my journals)started to arrive.

The Dromana Pioneer Pathway plaque states that the Captain arrived in 1845 but later the Dromana Historical Society decided he had beached his ship in the area about five years earlier. The home he built with the ship's timbers was on the site of the McCrae Car wash. This was on crown allotment 20 Wannaeue, between The Avenue and Parkmore Rd and South to Cape Schanck Rd (the freeway)which was not available for selection in the 1850's and was sold as the Village of Wannaeue in about 1877.

Next paragraph in comment 1.(Purves,Barker, Burrell.)

When the land in Wannaeue was made available for selection, crown allotment 19, between Parkmore Rd and Adams Avenue, was selected by Isaac White. It is not clear which Isaac White this was but it could have been the following:
On the 33rd inst., suddenly, at Prahran, of apoplexy, Mr. Isaac White, aged 58 years. Friends please to ac-
cept this notice. (P.4, Argus, 25-7-1854.)

In the first Kangerong Road Board assessment of 3-9-1864,Henry Everest Adams was rated on a seven roomed house and 91 acres (N.A.V. 30 pounds) but the NAV was unchanged on 5-9-1865 when the assessment included 191 acres (Isaac White's grant.)

Crown allotment 18, between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd, and consisting of 152 acres 2 roods and 16 perches, was granted to G.H.Warren. Between Jetty Rd and the line of Norm Clark Walk was c/a 17 of 129 acres 2 roods and 28 perches, granted to R.Glover and J.Wallace on 16-5-1856. Between there and about Fifth Avenue was c/a 16 of 115 acres, granted to H.Stratford and J.Ridgway on 13-6-1856. Crown allotment 15, of 101 acres 1 rood and 8 perches extending west to First Avenue,was granted to R.M.Owens on 13-6-1856. Crown allotment 14 of 116 acres 3 roods and 38 perches was granted to Hugh Glass.

All of the allotments mentioned (17-14) extended south to the government road (Eastbourne Rd.) Hugh Glass probably bought c/a 14, between First Avenue and Boneo Rd, as a holding paddock for stock being driven to Melbourne COMMENT 2.


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Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-06-17 01:02:41

Edward Hobson had originally settled on what became Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach area east to Bulldog Creek)but had moved to Tootgarook before Jamieson applied for his special survey. Other early squatters were Maurice Meyrick at Boniyong and from 1843,Andrew McCrae on Arthurs Seat. Hobson probably left Peter Purves in charge at Tootgarook (a name bestowed by Peter) circa 1843,when he went to Gippsland, first to the Tarwin River and then managing his brother's run at the river of little fish[ (and naming it Traralgon-Tarra Algon.)
Chapter 2. With Hobson at Traralgon - Traralgon & District Historical ...
When Edward Hobson reached here in 1844, he was able to take up the run for which ... little fish, and that is why I have called this story "The River of Little Fish".

by itellya on 2013-06-17 06:04:08

by itellya on 2013-06-27 05:24:33

being driven to Melbourne from his Gippsland properties. One of Australia's largest landholders, he lived in Flemington House in a mansion set among grounds fit for a king; his homestead block was later owned by the Maddens, much involved in the supply of horses to the army in India and it is now the suburb of Travancore which has streets named after places in India, Kashmir becoming Cashmere.

by itellya on 2013-06-27 06:48:33

By 3-9-1864, Hugh Glass owned 231 acres unencumbered. This would have been crown allotments 14 and 16 (116 + 115 acres.) Robert Grover owned 129 acres unencumbered, being c/a 17, and ? Parr was obviously leasing c/a 18 of 152 acres. No separate property of 101 acres, nor R.M.Owens were mentioned, c/a 15 possibly being leased by Charles James.

Warren was assessed on his grant, c/a 18, in 1865 while Woolcott was rated on c/a 17 across Jetty Rd. Glass still had 231 acres and nobody was assessed on c/a 15. Glass was assessed on only 100 acres in 1873 and not even listed in 1874. This is why.
WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 1871.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 17 May 1871 p 4 Article
... death of Mr. Hugh Glass was accelerated by an overdose of chloral, which he had taken with a view to (getting to sleep.)

Glass had suffered heavy losses because of scab in his sheep and the failed private Essendon railway. Peter McCracken, a partner in the railway had been forced to sell Ardmillan at Moonee Ponds, a bitter pill to swallow, but life was still worth living- for Peter, not for Hugh. N.B. The rate collector obviously had no idea that Glass had died!

In 1879,the only assessment regarding crown allotments 18-14 (Adams Avenue to Boneo Rd) was: Woolcotte swiggle acres, nett annual value 12 pounds. That was crown allotment 17 and one ratepayer that had been forgotten was Bullocky Bob White on crown allotment 18 (now of only 150 acres.)

A newspaper report of this time described the Rosebud Fishing Village as a hive of activity in stark contrast to the rest of Wannaeue across the road. Many of the fishermen had lived on the village site for years and bought their blocks in 1872 or 1873. Before that time their names had not appeared in rate records, the road board apparently not having the power to levy rates on them. Fishermen assessed in 1879 were: Antonio Bosina,William Gomm (son of a convict,later of Hastings, and succeeded by his brother, Henry), William Devine,William Jamieson (former whaler,later of Williamstown), John Jones (first store under an upturned boat on his foreshore block,later running a store on 2 acres of c/a 18 on the FJ's corner), Antonia Latros?, Andrew Nicholas,Joseph Peters (the left-handed black fiddler,later of Queenscliff),Joseph Silva and Frederick Vine (later living in a hut on the Dromana Foreshore roughly opposite Seacombe Ave according to Melbourne Brindle's map.)

DETAIL OF C/A 19, 18, 17 AND 14 TO FOLLOW.
Crown allotments 15-17 (the avenues) became the Clacton-On-Sea Estate of which much detail is given in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD. Peter also gave much detail about the commercial buildings and the school on crown allotments 17 and 16.

by itellya on 2013-06-27 12:02:08

The Adams family retained possession of most of crown allotment 19 as well as obtaining much of crown allotment 20 (Wannaeue Village),possibly as a pre-emptive right. In 1876, Henry Everest Adams was assessed on 271 acres (c/a 19 of 191 acres plus 80 acres of 20. In 1883 the Wannaeue holdings had increased to 311 acres according to Adams family historian,Len Williams, and in 1900 Robert Henry Adams had 290 acres. The rate collector did not help matters such as in 1919:
Robert Adams, 200 acres and buildings,part crown allotment 19 Wannaeue and 6a Wannaeue.
(Lot 6a of Wannaeue Village consisted of just over 19 acres so Robert had about 180 acres of c/a 19;more about the missing 11 acres later.) The other 60 or so acres of Adams land in c/a 20 were assessed in the names of Mrs Mabel Jane Adams and Mabel McGregor (wife of Keith McGregor of Fingal and The Thicket, who took over Carrier Harry Cains' fish/rabbit/passenger run to the Mornington railhead and later sold it to Billy Adams.)

In about April 1889, during the height of the land boom, Robert Henry Adams sold crown allotment 19 to William Tetley who subdivided the land between the beach and South Rd which extended from the Govt. Road (Parkmore Rd) to Adams Avenue (Land Plan 3513.) There were 58 blocks on the beach side of Rosemore Rd,the Clemengers purchasing lots 1-5 at the east end of Rosemore on which Alf Holloway built Parkmore for them circa 1896.On the south side of Rosemore Rd there were 7 blocks of about 4 acres. The subdivided area was about 56 acres but only 20 of the smaller blocks were sold and none of the 4 acre blocks.

Tetley would have paid a deposit, relying on sales to meet the repayments but when boom turned to bust, Robert Adams would have regained any unsold land (about 180 acres) as well as the deposit and any payments that had been made.

Hopetoun House, the Adams guest house on the site of the McCrae Carwash was so-named because the governor, Lord Hopetoun, often stayed there on the way to inspect the fort at Pt Nepean. Whether he was a landlubber, preferring to sail only as far as Dromana, or Hopetoun House had other attractions (not to the liking of some of the Adams womenfolk who renamed the guest house Merlyn Lodge) will never be known. Harvey Marshall proudly displays a sign, HOPETOUN HOUSE, on his gate not far from where the old guest house stood. Robert (Bobby) Adams and his boys used to pick up their guests from the Dromana Pier. (ADAMS CORNER. THE ADAMS FAMILY:PENINSULA PIONEERS.)

CROWN ALLOTMENT 18. (Adams Ave-Jetty Rd.)
The following was compiled in relation to the heritage value of 19 Mitchell St.
7-9-1872. Warren was not assessed.Black and then, faintly, Blakely, was written as the person to be rated on 150 acres.
6-9-1873. Blakely was written, with Twycross (faintly) as the person to be assessed.
5-9-1874. John Twycross was assessed. He married Mrs Clutterbuck, a widowed Burrell lass and there is much information about him, with samples of his brilliant paintings and pioneering photography, in the Burrell wing at the McCrae Homestead.

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 26. BROADFORD.Wannaeue,County of Mornington. SALE by PUBLIC AUCTION Of 152a. 2r. 16p.,Parish of Wannaeue,County of Mornington.
And By Order of tho Executors of CHARLES BLAKEY, Deceased.For Positive and Absolute Sale.Without the Least Reserve.
To Graziers, Farmers, Dairymen, Wood Merchants,Speculators, and Others.
ALFRED BLISS has been favoured with instructions from Messrs. John Munday and John
Kyle, executors under the will of tho late Mr. Charles Blakey, to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION, at the mart,82 Collins-street west, on Thursday, February 26, at
twelve o'clock,The following freehold lands belonging to the above estate :
Lot 1.-Portion 61, parish of Broadford, close to the township, railway station, and Sunday Creek, containing 64a. Or. 38p. No improvements.

Lot 2.-Portion l8, parish of Wannaeue, county of Mornington, containing
152a. 2r. 16p. No improvements.
Both these properties are moderately timbered.
The Broadford land is on Sunday-creek, near the township and railway station. The Wannaeue land fronts the bay, and is sold subject to a piece 60 x 330, fronting the beach-road, being taken out of it, having been previously sold.
(P.3, Argus,18-2-1874.) N.B. My references to this "piece" being lot 86 and containing 2 acres comes from a document in Harvey Marshall's scrapbook re Captain Adams lending money to publican William Edwards circa 1879.

2-10-1875. Robert White is listed as the owner and occupier of 152 acres.
27-7-1878. The rate collector discovers that the owner and occupier is Robert White Junior, ( Blooming Bob White. (Pardon my earlier error, which cannot be corrected in comments; Bullocky Bob White was his nephew, born Robert James.) For the first time,the nett annual value rises from 10 pounds to 15 pounds, evidence that a modest homestead has been built.
20-7-1885. The rate collector finally corrects the acreage: 150 acres.
20-7-1886. The nett annual value rises to 20 pounds. This could have been due to the land boom or an improved homestead.
16-7-1888. The N.A.V. rises to 25 pounds.
29-7-1889. Frederick and William Leak were probably leasing c/a 18 from Blooming Bob who was most likely in the process of setting up his 27 acre farm at Melway 160 J11 (north east half.) The Leaks were later in dispute with William Jamieson,the old whaler, about a block of land that seemed to have been part of the 2 acre lot 86 of c/a 18.
19-7-1890 and 18-7-1891. Robert White was again assessed on c/a 18 but once again it was said to consist of 152 acres. No assessment on 30-7-1892.
29-7-1893. Thomas Bamford, wool sorter, 152 acres and buildings.
3-9-1898.Thomas Bamford (owner Jane Edwards Tresize, now Mrs Thomas Bamford.)
From 1902 to 1905, Mrs Bamford leased the property to Mrs Janet D.Smith.Between September 1904 and September 1905,the nett annual value of c/a 18 increased from 25 pounds to 40 pounds. The rise in NAV from 20 to 25 pounds in 1888 would seem to have been caused by homestead improvements rather than the land boom because it did not drop during the depression. Mrs Bamford seems to have enlarged the house to its present size in 1904-5.

Read the chapter entitled HENRY POTTON'S FARM in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD. (Potton,De Garis, Curtis.)In his suicide note, De Garis called 19 Mitchell St "Wahgunyah".

Crown allotments 17 and 14, the Maori tragedy and fishing village treasures to follow.

by itellya on 2013-06-27 12:15:39

By the way,William Jamieson, buried at Dromana, may have been the Master of the Rosebud in 1851 and would not seem to have been related to the Jamieson of Cape Schanck or Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach to Bulldog Creek Rd.)

by itellya on 2013-06-28 11:51:03

CROWN ALLOTMENT 17. (Between Jetty Rd and the line of Norm Clark Walk,not including any Ninth Avenue house blocks.)
Correction of another mistake.At the bottom of comment 3, I said that the Clacton-On-Sea estate, also known as "The Avenues" occupied crown allotments 15 to 17; I meant to say 15 and 16.

That picturesque neighbourhood a little to the south west of Dromana, on the main road to Sorrento. The remaining unsold lots in the estate of R. R. Woolcott, Esq., being part of portion 17, parish of Wannaeue, each lot having an area of 1.5 acres and upwards. A new jetty,state school and other improvements have recently been added to the attractions of this place, which must ultimately become one of
the most popular of our suburban watering-places.
Solicitor, J. S. Woolcott, Esq., Chancery lane.
(End of P.2,Argus, 1-2-1888.)

As shown earlier, Woolcott had taken over the ownership of crown allotment 17 from Robert Grover between the assessments of 1864 and 1865 and had possibly been trying to sell sub-division lots ever since. William Gomm who owned crown allotment 13 of the fishing village (now housing Jetty's Cafe and the two double-storey townhouses beachside of it) seems to have been leasing about 70 acres of c/a 17 circa 1875 and 1876.

Incredibly in 1879,fourteen years after Woolcott's first assessment, his name was given as Woolcote and the number of acres was an undulating line! It is possible that some land had been sold to people such as John Burns (2 roomed house),James Dewar (5 acres), ?.Gates (7 acres and building), and George Pearson (1 lot) but their properties may have been as far west as Government Rd/Weeroona St near Rye.

Only one lot is known to have been sold before that assessment, and it was not assessed! Rosalind Peatey stated in PINE TREES AND BOXTHORNS that George and Susan Peatey bought lot 76, on the north corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St in 1878, courtesy of a loan from Nelson Rudduck of Dromana, but they did not move onto the property until having repaid the loan in ten years. In the early 1880's a small portion of the present school site was bought, the Mechanics Institute in the fishing village having been used for a few years.

By 1900, the following were assessed on subdivision lots in crown allotment 17.
George Henry Chapman (4 lots), Charles James (3 acres), Marshall (7 acres), Mrs Peaty (sic)(2 acres and house,76,17 Wannaeue), John Roberts (4 lots and house), Furmbisher (2.5 acres lots 74 and 85).

The rate collector seemed to be unaware that George Chapman, who established Seawinds on Arthurs Seat,had died in 1898.(He probably reversed the given names; see 1910.) Charles James was probably the brother or father of Bullocky Bob White. Marshall, later named as William Marshall, might have been the pioneer in the Red Hill Village Settlement but was later described as a Moonee Ponds real estate agent still being assessed on the 7 acres. Mrs Peatey supplied Rosebud with vegetables, poultry and eggs, all produced on her small block, which later became Don Miller's caravan park. John Roberts was Rosebud's first postmaster, who used to check the accuracy of his watch each day on the beach at noon.He seemed to be a member of the Main Ridge family at the south end of Roberts Rd.The house on which he was assessed was probably the post office/store which his daughter Rose and her husband William Brady ran for several years (see photos in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD.)The James family had a grant near the Main Ridge cricket ground.

In 1910, Henry Bucher, an inspector of Brighton, had 4 lots, Annie Eliza Cairns had lots 29-32, Rosebud Ted Cairns had lot 74, having just sold lots 49-54 to Alf Hanson, Dromana blacksmith, Henry George Chapman,had 2 lots, Caroline E. Coburn and William John Coburn of "Springbank" in McCrae had lots 57-60 between them, John Fallon of Windsor had lot 80, Alf Hanson had lots 23, 24, 75, 77, 79 and 49-54, J.Machonochie of Richmond had lots 37-40, Bob Cairns had lots 5 and 6 near the state school, Marshall of no given name but a real estate agent of New St, Moonee Ponds still had 7 acres, Susan Peatey still had a house on lot 76 but not for much longer, Mrs J.Spensley had 4 lots and a building,and Fred Vine's stepdaughter, Mary B.Stone, to whom a large section of ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD is devoted, had lots 25-28. Vale,agent,of Melbourne, had 84+84 acres of crown allotment 17, quite a magic trick because the whole crown allotment consisted of 129 acres! Perhaps the second parcel was on the Clacton estate.

I think I can remember Vale's involvement starting in about 1906 but I haven't been able to re-find the advertisements. You will notice there has been no mention of Robert McDowell after whom McDowell St was named.How strange it is that the street was not named after George and Susan Peatey.

Ratepayers re c/a 17 in 1919 not previously mentioned were Mrs Mary Butler c/o Mrs McDowell lot 49 and building, Mrs Elizabeth Cairns "Eleanora" lots 43-6 and building, Rosebud Ted Cairns also had lot 85, H.J.Horneman,former? Rye schoolteacher,had lots 62,81 and 82,Mrs Hounslow had lot 23,Mrs Helena Salina Mitchell of Essendon (possibly wife of the owner of Woodlands and Cumberland near the Tullamarine Airport site)had lots 13-18 and buildings, Mrs Machonochie was assessed on lot 42 and store occupied by P.Ditchburn, Robert McDowell had lots 77,79 and part 75,Alf and John Peatey now had lot 76,Ern Rudduck had the store occupied by
L.C.Leech whose location is probably specified in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD, and Mrs Charlotte Walker of Benalla had part of lot 75.

by itellya on 2013-07-02 07:37:32

Updates on crown allotment 18 (between Adams Ave and Jetty Rd.)
1.Thomas Bamford was assessed on c/a 18 from 29-7-1893 to 14-8-1897 and in 1898 he was listed as the occupier, with Jane Edwards Tresize, now Mrs Thomas Bamford, recorded as the owner. However Jane had owned the property since 17-3-1892, so while the above seems to show Thomas had given Jane the property as a wedding present,it is more likely that she was a woman of independent means.

The staff of the titles office very generously gave me some documents when I was gathering information to support heritage protection for 19 Mitchell St. One is a copy of Volume 2415 folio 482 812 which shows a plan of c/a 18 with all but the 2 acre block on the F.J.'s corner shaded red.

It reads Certificate of Title, UNDER THE "TRANSFER OF LAND ACT 1890."
Jane Edwards Tresize of "Hawksworth" Grosvenor Street Balaclava Spinster is-now the proprietor of an Estate in Fee-simple, subject to the Emcumbrances notified hereunder in all that piece of land delineated and coloured red on the Map in the margin containing (wrong acreage crossed out and replaced with one hundred and fifty) being part of crown portion eighteen Parish of Wannaeue,County of Mornington-
dated the seventeenth day of March One thousand eight hundred and ninety two.

This document raises two points. Firstly Jane must have purchased the property from Blooming Bob White after the first sale (detailed below) fell through.

Secondly,it could be understood if the official had described the property as 152 acres, but why had he written 159 acres? My guess is that the official had referred to a Wannaeue map lithographed in 1887 (and available online) which shows crown allotment 18 of section B*with three allotments of almost equal size on the east side of Grasslands Rd,two of them consisting of 53 acres 2 roods and 13 perches with the most northerly (actually 30C) being in the exact middle of the map so that the intersecting creases obliterated any information within its boundaries.
(*Parish maps do not make it clear what the boundary between section A and section B was but I think it was Cape Schanck Rd with the Arthurs Seat Run, comprising section B to the south east and the Tootgarook Run , incorporating the Wooloowoolooboolook Run, comprising section A to the north west.

Not being able to read the information in 30C, he had probably calculated 3x53 and written the acreage- but then noticed there was another crown allotment 18, whose sketch of title mentioned the road to the Heads or Beach Road. The other possibility is that he was using a sketch of title referring to the sale of lot 86 with the balance of land being 150 acres and the zero was sloppily written so it looked like a nine.

2. I stated previously that William and Frederick Leak were probably leasing c/a 18 from Blooming Bob White when they were assessed on 150 acres on 29-7-1889. However, having just received a copy of toolaroo's PENINSULA PIONEERS, I will quote from page 66. Robert's wife,Margaret (nee Hillis) had died on 1-10-1888.
"Robert was now keen to sell his Rosebud property, for the life of a bullocky was not conducive to single-handedly raising three young children. Unfortunately he was a little too keen for when he sold the property in September of that year he neglected to mention to the buyers that a small part of the property was owned by somebody else.As a result the deal fell through and Robert resumed ownership."

A Law Report from The Argus of 18-9-1889,reproduced on page 104 of the book describes an action brought to the Supreme Court by William Lake the younger and Frederick Lakeagainst John Jones to recover (lot 86 of two acres.) Crown allotment 18 must have been transferred from the estate of Robert White senior (who died on 25-4-1881) to his son,Blooming Bob in 1884, and the clerk must have described the property as consisting of 152 acres. (Rate records kept changing from one to the other!)
Later in the article Blooming Bob is said to have bought the land from Richard Blakeley (sic)in 1871 although the transfer had not been made until 1874. Richard was obviously the son of Charles Blakey*and as the property was advertised for sale (mentioning the part that had been sold!!)in 1874, it seems unlikely that(a)any transaction other than a lease had been carried out in 1871 (b) Blooming Bob was unaware that he was selling 150 acres, not 152.
(*See the advertisement under LEAK/LAKE in my journal about toolaroo's book.)

by itellya on 2013-07-02 10:01:34

My apologies for forgetting to close the bold type and italics in the last comment!

Sold as the Clacton-on-Sea Estate and now called The Avenues this land is shrouded in mystery after the death of Hugh Glass. I believe that crown allotments 16-14 passed into the hands of creditors and I have a sneaking suspicion that Edward Williams was leasing much of the land from them up till the early 1890's; He and his son James Campbell Williams (Jimmy the Squid)holding at one stage about 2 500 acres, far in excess of his Browns Rd grants and "Eastbourne".

ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD has much detail about the estate including the lagoon near The Link.

Hugh Glass was granted the 114 acres between First Avenue and Boneo Rd. By 1864 he seems to have bought c/a 16 but by the time of his death he only owned 100 acres. His financial decline preceded hisaccidental death. By the early 1890's c/a 14 had probably been sold by the Land Freehold Investment Co. as farms of 29+29+16+20+20 acres. The two farms of 29 acres from the beach road south to include 50 First Avenue and all Hope St house blocks became "Hindhope". The two 20 acre blocks and the one of 16 acres became "The Thicket", now the part entered via The Drive, the homestead being near the church, with curving streets such as Warranilla.

In 1893,the Landhold Investment Co.was rated on 56 acres, Wannaeue, almost certainly Hindhope. Mrs Alfred Hicks (Harriet) owned one of the 20 acre farms and Ramsay Couper the other. In 1894 Jeremiah Brosman of South Yarra was assessed on 16 acres Wannaeue. This remained the case until 1899 when John Freeman bought the 16 acre property. In 1900 Ramsay Couper was assessed on Mrs Hicks' 20 acres which for years had stupidly been described as being in Rye (where Harriet actually owned another 4 acres.) In 1908 the 16 acre property had the rate collector guessing and assessment No 831 had Couper Freeman as the person to be rated on 16 acres; in 1909 Nora Couper was assessed,Ramsay having the other 40 acres of The Thicket.

In 1912 Dutton Edwards had just taken over The Thicket from John Johnson.By 1919, the last assessment on microfiche, Alf Rawlings (possibly the grantee in the parish of Lyndhurst just south of the Mordialloc Creek) was on The Thicket.He was probably followed by Keith McGregor, the late Ray Cairns telling me of Keith's residence there and the location of the homestead.

The assessment of 18-7-1891 showed no Randall.By 1-8-1894 Henry James Randall, assistant clerk had 29 acres, nett annual value 10 pounds.(Values were recorded to determine the age of the house at 50 First Avenue.) J.McGregor Gillespie and Co.might have owned the other 29 acres and some Clacton land. In 1900 Randall still had 29 acres and the Freehold Investment Co.seems to have taken over the Gillespie land (515 acres, i.e. 371, 144) which included c/a 16. C/a 16 consisted of 115 acres and if we add the other 29 acres of Hindhope, we get a total of 144 acres! Remembering that both 14 and 16 were owned by Glass and that Glass was from the Essendon area where Gillespie and Co. (flour millers I think) owned some of Main's Estate west of Hoffmans Rd in present day Niddrie, it is reasonable to assume,in light of the arithmetic, that this company had owned the missing part of Hindhope.

By 1908 Gregory Rigg was assessed on 29 acres and Mrs Eleanor Rigg on 29 acres.

Volume 3352 Folio 670292
Certificate of Title, UNDER THE "TRANSFER OF LAND ACT 1890."
Eleanor Rigg of Hindhope, Rosebud in the county of Mornington married woman is-
now the proprietor of an Estate in Fee-simple, subject to the Encumbrances notified hereunder in All that piece of land delineated and coloured red on the map in the margin, containing fifty seven acres three roods and five perches,being part of Crown Portion fourteen at Rosebud, Parish of Wannaeue County of Mornington-
Dated this fourth day of September One thousand nine hundred and nine.


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Well I mastered the bold type but I'll have to remember the italics!

THURSDAY. JUNE 22.At One O'Clock. On the Premises.
McInnes, Whinfield, and Co. (late J.K.Jennings and McInnes) have received Instructions to SELL , on the above date
A farm property, consisting of 56 ac. 2 rd. 22 perches, situated close to Rosebud township,and only a stone-throw from the water frontage. A good house, consisting of 5 rooms and conveniences, is erected on the property, including a garage, extra good well equipped bails and sheds, machinery shed, pig run and sty, buggy shed, chaffhouse, &c, &c.
The properly Is subdivided into 7 paddocks. This includes three very good orchards, peaches, apple, pears, and other fruit in full bearing, and is watered by windmill, pipes laid, and an abundant supply.
CATTLE. 14 dairy cows, 3 heifers, 3 bullocks,1 bull, 4 calves.
HORSES. 1 draught gelding 5 years old; 1 medium draught mare, 7 years old, extra good.
PIGS.-2 sows with broods, 1 boar.
IMPLEMENTS.-Seed drill, disc plough, 2 single furrow ploughs, cultivator, mower, 1 set harrows,1 grindstone, 1 spray pump, 1 portable engine(Richardson), 1 shell-crusher, I chaffcutter, complete with belt; shovel, forks, garden utensils,&c, 2 incubators, 3 brooders, pair of scales.
HARNESS. 2 sets of buggy harness, 1 set of dray harness, collars, and hames.
DAIRY.-Separator (Globe No. 1), 2 milk churns, 2 butter churns.
FURNITURE. 4 bedsteads and mattresses, chest of drawers, small tables, wash stand &c.
VEHICLES.-1 dray, 1 spring cart, 1 buggy, 1 phaeton.
Terms on Land Purchase.--1230 may remain on mortgage for 3 years, bearing 5 per cent. interest,balance cash.
The auctioneers have inspected this property,and have to report that it is a snug, comfortable home, well equipped, and a very fine front garden.The land is good black sandy loam, and well suited for growing maize, lucerne, onions, and the like,
and, being within a stone-throw of the bay frontage, must eventually command a big price for building blocks. We strongly recommend lt as a comfortable home and a good Investment.
Further particulars from McInnes, Whinfield, and Co., 411 Bourke slreet, Melbourne.
Local representative, Mr. Jennings, land and estate agent. Rosebud.
(P.3, Argus, 27-5-1922.)

ROSEBUD.- Vacant Dec, 3 furn. shalleys with kitchen, good position. (The Thicket.)
(P.20, Argus, 10-11-1924.) I presume that the shalleys were chalets.

Alfred Rawlings, formerly of Rosebud,but late of the Grange, East Malvern, who
died on July 14, left by will dated March 31, and a codicil of later date, real estateof a gross value of ?17,275, and personal property of a gross value of ?2,056, mainly to his widow and children.(P.28, Argus, 23-9-1922.)
Alf's move to Rosebud may have been to be near a relative. A J.C.Rawlings was a policeman at Sorrento circa 1911.It is likely that our Alf was the grantee of crown allotment 133, parish of Lyndhurst on 14-2-1882. Consisting of 89 acres and 15 perches,this land fronted the Main Drain (Mordialloc Creek) and the Secondary Drain, and is roughly indicated by Melway 93 A4.

DROMANA.-At the Rosebud Hall. Messrs. McGregor Bros., who have conducted a motor service between Mornington, Dromana, and Rosebud, were entertained at a farewell social. Representatives from Dromana, Mornington, Rosebud, Boneo, and Rye attended. Mrs. Keith McGregor was presented with a silver cake dish by her Rosebud friends,Mr. Keith McGregor with a wallet of notes, and Mr. A. McGregor with a silver cigarette case. Messrs. McGregor Bros. are going to Stawell district to commence wheat
growing. (P.12, Argus,19-5-1922.)
It seems that Keith only spent a year or so at the Thicket, probably leasing it at the time. Keith's wife, Mabel, was a daughter of Robert Henry Adams of Adams Corner (Wattle Place) and Keith sold his business to Mabel's brother Billy, who extended the service to Melbourne. Others followed his lead. This did not please the government which feared a reduction in railway patronage and proposed a BUS BAN in 1928. The proposal was stifled by stern opposition with Spencer Jackson of Dromana to the fore.
At this time the late Ray Cairns, who told me about Keith living at the Thicket, would have been about 11. His father, Hill Harry Cairns, lived at Maroolaba (895 Boneo Rd), virtually across the road from Ray's uncle, Carrier Harry Cairns (who sold his business to Keith)and Keith's family whose farm was near the present Ace- Hi. It's a fair bet that the garage on the Thicket was built by Alf Rawlings who was obviously able to afford a fairly special car.

The garage would have been of great benefit to Keith for protecting his money-making T model van. Billy Adams updated to a seven-seat tourer.(P.20,ADAMS CORNER.)

A fire occurred at the "Thicket," Rosebud, a few days ago. While trying to smoke a fowl out of a boxthorn hedge the fire got out of control, and caught on to a pine tree nearby. The Rosebud Fire Brigade was called for,and the fire was soon put out.
(P.2, Standard, Frankston,6-7-1944.)

ELECTORAL REGISTRARS.The following gentlemen have been appointed electoral registrars for the new city and suburban electorates constituted under the Electoral Districts Alteration Act,etc, etc: MELBOURNE NORTH
FLemington-road and Royal-park Henry James Randall, Town hall, North Melbourne.
(P.6, Argus, 24-12-1888.)
So that's the type of afsistant clerk he was Mr Rate Collector!

To stand this season at "Hindhope" ROSEBUD.
The Imported Arab Stallion. RAJAH.
RAJAH was a noted performer on theturf in India, winning both on the flat and over hurdles. Rajah is a dark bay. 14 hands, and shows great quality and bone.
TERMS -L2 2s. 1s per week will be charged for grass for mares left with me.
OSWALD RANDALL. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 13-9-1900.)

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 10 February 1903 p 6 Article
... TRADING. James Henry Randall, licensee of the Croxton park Hotel, Northcote, was prosecuted at the local .

RANDALL. ?The Friends of the late Mr. JAMES HENRY RANDALL are respectfully invited
to follow his remains to the place of interment, in the Coburg Cemetery.
The funeral is appointed to leave his residence,Croxton-park Hotel, High-street, Northcote, THIS DAY (Friday, April 10), at 3 o'clock.P.1, Argus, 10-4-1908.)

As I only have rate information up to 1919, there is nothing to add regarding The Thicket. It's a pity the homestead was demolished because it seemed to date from the 1890's. While I was collecting for Red Cross, I called at 50 First Avenue, which is set well back from the frontage and the owner invited me in to have a look at certain period features. Was this the Hindhope homestead? I had originally assumed that it had been demolished too.

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HINDHOPE (Continued.)
The last advertisement placed by Oswald Randall was in about August 1901.The 1901 assessment,probably in September, shows that Gregory V.*Rigg had just replaced James Randall as the occupant of 29 acres of crown allotment 14 and buildings, N.A.V.10 pounds,the same valuation that existed in 1894 when Randall was first assessed. Buildings are not noted in my transcriptions until 1898 but as the valuation did not rise,it can safely be assumed that Randall had built a house in 1894 or late 1893. In 1902 Gregory Rigg was assessed on 29 acres (N.A.V.15 pounds) and Eleanor Rigg on 29 acres (N.A.V.5 pounds.)
(* The name has been seen as Gregory Brennan Rigg. Perhaps G.V. was the father and G.B.the son,or maybe the rate collector misheard B as V.)

Greg and Eleanor were similarly assessed until 1911 except that the N.A.V. increased to 30 and 7 pounds respectively in 1911. In 1912,John McComb (Assessment number 1152)was rated on 56 acres, crown allotment 14, with a nett annual value of 25 pounds. John McComb was not the new owner, rather leasing the whole of Hindhope from the Riggs. This explains the naming,if not the spelling,of McCombe St. The fact that the whole property had a nett annual value of 25 pounds rather than the combined 37 pounds of the previous year indicates how much stress the rate collector was under trying to cope with subdivisions that were popping up like mushrooms.

As stated earlier, there seems to have been a house on Hindhope by the 1894 assessment. It is possible that Gregory Rigg had extended the house during 1902 or built a better one causing the N.A.V. to increase to 15 pounds in 1903. The increase was certainly not caused by a land boom! The N.A.V. of Greg's block again increased in 1904, indicating some further improvement.

Eleanor Rigg became the owner of Hindhope (57 acres 3 roods 5 perches) on 4-9-1909. It is possible that James Henry Randall had purchased the other 29 acres in 1901-2 and had been leasing the whole (almost 58 acres)to the Riggs until that time. Randall had died in 1908 and his executors probably sold Hindhope as soon as probate was granted. John McComb must have had a one year lease from the Riggs for 1913-14, with the Riggs moving to their cottage at Portsea.

On 23 October 1914 at 2:21 in the afternoon Hindhope was transferred from Eleanor Rigg to Arthur Alfred Thomas,of 19 Queen Street, Melbourne, Grain Merchant. Despite the stress mentioned earlier,the rate collector was keeping on top of things and in the 1913 assessment had crossed out the name of John McComb, substituting Arthur A Thomas,19 Queen St as the person to be rated on 56 acres and buildings,part crown allotment 14 Wannaeue. (Cr Terry's resignation had the desired effect!)

The document recording transfers of the various parts of Hindhope has the following information.
Red Ink No. 4209901.
Arthur Alfred Thomas died on 20th April 1944. Probate of his will was granted to Ivy Hamilton Thomas of 36 Leslie Street,Essendon, Widow and Frederick James Thomas of 57 Victoria St Williamstown Miller (with Walter Henry Tomson now deceased).

Arthur didn't waste much time, making his first sale on 14-1-1915 and seven more during the year. The title documents do not give the area for each purchase and some purchasers may have bought extensive areas. Purchasers well known in Rosebud's history include David and Robert Cairns, Eliza Ellen Ross, William Robert Patterson,
Mary Ann Peatey, Elizabeth May Younger, Henry and Henry Alan Bucher, Gladys Iris Jennings, William Alderson,Leslie Edward Cairns,Roy Clifford Cairns, Charles Robert Burnham, Harold Liversidge, Walter Burnham, Christopher Cairns, Frederick Rowland Jennings,Walter Herbert Jennings and Gordon Robert Jennings and Roy Marcus Dark.

If anyone researching these names has heard about land owned by the family at Rosebud, send me a private message and I'll let you know given names;if they match, I can then help you with land location or at least certificate of title volume and folio* numbers. (* book and page!)

From 1915,Arthur A. Thomas was rated on 1 acre and buildings, nett annual value 16 pounds and 17 pounds from 1917 when he still had the house on an acre but his name was replaced by that of Alexander Mackie Younger of North Rd, Caulfield in relation to "about 17 acres and buildings,part crown allotment 14, Section A, Wannaeue." In 1916-17 the Hindhope Homestead was occupied by Mrs Parkes; perhaps she was Arthur's daughter.

SATURDAY, APRIL 11.(EASTER SATURDAY.)At One O'clock. On the Ground.
Rising from the Beach Reserve at BEAUTIFUL ROSEBUD, Recognised as One of the Choicest Spots on the Shores of Port Phillip.
Under Instructions from Owner to Realise the Whole. etc.(P.2,Argus, 28-3-1914.)
Shouldn't you get the title to Hindhope before you start selling it Arthur?

BOXING DAY, DECEMBER 27. On the Ground. At Three O'clock,
One of the Most Favoured Spots on PORT PHILLIP SHORES, 3 Miles from Dromana, on Sorrento Road.
Under Instructions from the Owners to Realise. T.R.B.MORTON and SON (per J.L.Parkes,
one of their auctioneers) will SELL, as above The splendidly situated HINDHOPE VILLA And Grounds of 14 Acres; and also 103 CHARMING SEASIDE LOTS,All close to bay margin.
TERMS VERY EASY ?1 deposit and 10/ per month for lots. For villa
and 14 acres, ?200 deposit, and balance arranged at 5 per cent. Title, certif?cate.
Solicitors, Messrs. Harwood and Pincott, 87 Queenstreet.
Plans obtainable at offices, or by post.
T.R.B.Morton and Son, 72 Swanston street,
Melbourne, and Box Hill. (P.2, Argus,18-12-1915.)

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Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Saturday 28 June 1902 Edition: MORNING. p 2 Article
Gregory B. Rigg, of Rosebud, for ?19 19s damages, by reason of a breach of contract defendant Rigg, who had a cottage at Portsea, on the Back Beach road. He gave witness authority to let this cottage last November, saying that he was moving into Rosebud and would not require to use ... 1573 words

Gregory Brennan Rigg, retired Station manager lived in a cottage on Back Beach Rd but because he was moving to Rosebud, he agreed to let it to a clergyman from Lake Rowan. When Rev.Rev. Johnston arrived, the cottage was occupied by a Mrs Buchanan. The clergyman was to pay 2 pounds per week for a fortnight to rent the cottage but had to find lodgings for his family in a detached part of the Portsea Hotel.

Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Saturday 6 June 1903 Edition: MORNING. p 3 Article
Greg Rigg was a member of the Rosebud Mechanics' Institute, against which Ernie Rudduck brought a charge of illegally detaining a organ belonging to Rosebud's Wesleyan Church. The case was struck out because the summons was signed by a clerk of court instead of a J.P. However, the attempt to regain the organ had caused Ernie's father, Nelson a pillar of the Wesleyan Church in Dromana, Red Hill and Rosebud, a generous and respected Dromana resident, to lose his cool. Nelson, of course, apologised to the President of the Institute but Smith still wanted damages. Mr Smallman,the police magistrate said the case was a trivial one and fined Nelson one shilling without costs.
The committee then had Nelson up for knocking off the Institute's piano. Strangely it was Alf Peatey who served a notice on Nelson to return the piano; Alf's parents, George and Susan would probably never have been able to purchase their 2 acre block at the McDowell St corner if their old friend, Nelson, had not given them the loan. I doubt if Greg (G.V.Rigg), H.A.Braddy (the Rosebud teacher if I remember my trove),Robert Cairns and William Jamieson had much to do with the demand; it sounds like another attempt by Mr Smith to belittle Nelson. Evidence showed that there was no Institute committee, and thus no use of the hall. Nelson bought the unused piano.
When a new committee was formed, Nelson paid for repairs necessary so the Health Department would not take action (the work being carried out by Mr Holloway, who had authorised the sale of the 'illegally detained' piano.) Mr Smallman was equally impressed by this "tinpot' case.

Rosebud Football Club was not formed until 1929 so sturdy little Ken Rigg played for Dromana, the only other club near Rosebud being Sorrento.

Watty Gibson played brilliantly throughout, and in the last quarter especially showed a lot of his old time cleverness. H. Hoskins worked like a Trojan and covered
himself with glory (as well as mud). R. Wyatt was not quite up to his usual form-a wet ball and slippery ground are not to "Trotter's"liking. W. Evans on the back line
played well, although he erred in judgment on a couple of occasions.
Ken Rigg, the sturdy little Rosebud player, is improving with every match.
J. Rudduck played his first game this season, and. showed promising football. W. Gibson put plenty of dash into his play. A. Gibson S. Wilson, and A. Mcllroy put in some useful work.(P.3, Mornington and Dromana Standard, 10-7-1909.)

"Doreen" was sung by Mr Bayford, a humorous recitation was given by Mr Tippett, a pianoforte duet by Miss Roberts and Master Colin Rigg, and pianoforte solo by
Master Colin Rigg.(P.2,Mornington Standard, 9-9-1905.ROSEBUD.)

A meeting was held in the Mechanics' Hall on Saturday evening, for the purpose of considering the formation of a tennis court, on the Village Reserve, for the use of residents and visitors. Mr Budds (State school teacher) was voted to the chair,
and a very enthusiastic and representative meeting took place. Mr H.Hunt, who generously donated ?2/2/,was elected president of the club ; Mr Budds, secretary; Mr Kenneth Rigg,assistant secretary; and Mr G. B. Rigg,treasurer.
(P.3, Mornington and Dromana Standard, 10-10-1908.)

A meeting was held in Boneo Hall yesterday week to consider a proposal for holding a school and district picnic, Mr Rigg (president of the board of advice) in the chair..(P.2, Mornington Standard, 2-12-1905.)

Family Notices
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 21 October 1885 p 1 Family Notices RIGG-BRAITHWAITE.-On the 13th inst., at Went- worth, N.S.W., by the Rev. - Long, Gregory B. Rigg, of Bunnerungie Station, N.S.W., to Eleanor F ... 592 words

RIGG -On the 8th. February, at Alfred Hospital, Gregory Brennan Rigg, loving husband of the late Eleanor,loving father of Kenneth, Norman, Colin, Rebecca (Mrs. G.W.Evans) and Donald[deceased], aged 77 years.(P.1, Argus,10-2-1930.)


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Hopefully I will now close the italics!
John McComba farmer of Carrum, and almost certainly of the pioneering Frankston family, after whom McCombe St was named, was assessed on part of crown allotment 14, with a nett annual value of 25 pounds in September 1913. He had been obviously given a lease for one year because the following September his name was crossed out and replaced with that of Arthur A.Thomas of 19 Queen St, Melbourne.
Arthur had started the subdivision before gaining title to "Hindhope", the property being transferred from Eleanor Rigg on 22-10-1914.

The first stage of the subdivision involved the land between the beach road and McCombe St, 70 lots with most having a width of 50 feet and depth of 200 feet. They are described in my HINDHOPE ESTATE journal in which I will give information about the purchasers and the exact present occupants of their lots. Morton seemed to believe that repetition sells, a belief shared by Dromana's Spencer Jackson.You will notice that a very strange version of "Rosebud" appears in the repetition because of the digitisation process used for trove! The area between Pt Nepean Rd and McCombe St must have consisted of about 18 acres because the homestead (50 First Avenue) still had 39 acres of grounds.

SATURDAY NEXT, DECEMBER 27, At Three O'clock. On the Ground.
T. R. B. MORTON and SON will SELL, (per J.J.Parke,one of their auctioneers), in the
subdivision of the above pretty estate,
70 CHOICE SEASIDE BLOCKS, each 200ft. deep, being the section fronting the main road and THE SHORE MARGIN of the Unsurpassed sandy beach, for which ROSEBUD,one of the most attractive settlements around Port Phillip, is justly famous.
Also the adjoining SEASIDE VILLA, "HINDHOPE," 6 Rooms, stabling, &c, beautifully situated in GROUNDS OF 39 ACRES.
Easy and simple terms ?1 DEPOSIT and 10/ PER MONTH ,per block, and for villa, ?200 deposit, and balance at 2 years, interest at 5 per-cent.
Steamer Hygeia leaves Port Melbourne for Dromana on day of sale at 10.30 a.m., returns at 4.45 p.m.; Ozone returns at 5.45. Tickets interchangeable. Coach from Dromana (about 3 miles). etc.

SATURDAY, APRIL 11. (EASTER SATURDAY.)At One O'clock. On the Ground.
GRAND CLOSING AUCTION Of the Remaining Portion of the PRETTY HINDHOPE ESTATE,Rising from the Beach Reserve at BEAUTIFUL ROSEBUD,Recognised as One of the Choicest Spots
With Depths to 200ft. Also "HINDHOPE" VILLA and GROUNDS, 14 ACRES.
Under Instructions from Owner to Realise the Whole above choice properties.TERMS VERY EASY. One pound deposit and 10/ per month for the lots.(P.2, Argus, 28-3-1914.)

The following might have had a misprint because the sketch of title shows only 103 lots. Perhaps 4 lots north of McCombe St not sold earlier were included. Lots 1-18 on the south side of McCombe St started at First Avenue with lot 7 on the east corner of Thomas St and lot 14 on the east corner of Rosebrook St.Their back fence line was about 8-10 metres south of the Thomas St bend and almost exactly at the Rosebrook St bend. Lot 1 had a long frontage and a back fenceline just over half as long because of the angle at the corner; all the other blocks were rectangles,50x180 feet. Lots 15-18, with a frontage to the bent bottom of Rosebrook St (180 feet) and McCombe St of 200 feet are now the car park between the present post office corner of the Plaza and the part of Rosebrook St north of the bend.

Lots 19 to 32 are not shown on the plan. Perhaps they were to be in the subdivision of the 14 acres of grounds.Lot 33 on the east corner of Hope and Rosebrook Streets measured 50x155 feet,extending east halfway to Thomas St and lots 34-44 of the same dimensions went down the hill to a point about 20 metres before the bend, the frontage of lot 45, (whose back fence line was twice as long because the block adjoined lots 11-14 on McCombe St.)

Lot 46 fronting the west side of Thomas St north of the bend was a similar shape and heading uphill were the rectangular lots 47-59, measuring 50x155 feet.Lots 60 to 76 went down the east side of Thomas St to the bend, the last being non-rectangular for reasons explained before. Lot 77 fronted First Avenue north of lots 1-4 on McCombe St. Rectangular lots 78-94 continued south to the line of the south side of Hope St,but these blocks,while 50 feet wide had a depth of 167 feet at the bottom, increasing further south because Thomas St and First Avenue are not quite parallel.

Lots 95 and 96 extended west 360 feet and 3 inches and went 20 feet past the east side of Thomas St. This was the homestead block of the Hindhope Villa and the reason for its 20 foot frontage to Hope St was to allow the occupants to access the 14 acres of "grounds". Lots 97 to 103 fronted the south side of Hope St to the line of the west side of Rosebrook St.

In September,1916, Arthur A.Thomas (the developer)was assessed on 1 acre and buildings,part crown allotment 14 Wannaeue. This was 50 First Avenue on lots 95 and 96 (actually 1 acre 1 rood and 39 perches according to the sketch of title) but there is a note that Mrs Parkes was the occupier of the house. It's a fair bet that she was the auctioneer's wife.

One of the Most Favoured Spots on PORT PHILLIP SHORES, 3 Miles from Dromana, on Sorrento Road. Under Instructions from the Owners to Realise. T.R.B. MORTON and SON (per J. L. Parkes, one of their auctioneers) will SELL, as above
The splendidly situated HINDHOPE VILLA And Grounds of 14 Acres;
and also 103 CHARMING SEASIDE LOTS, All close to bay margin.
TERMS VERY EASY ?1 deposit and 10/ per month for lots. For villa and 14 acres, ?200 deposit, and balance arranged at 5 per cent. Title, certif?cate.
(P.2, Argus, 18-12-1915.)

To the uninitiated the following would not seem to have any information about subdivision but it tells me two things. Firstly the 14 acres of grounds had been subdivided, about a third of it becoming Hindhope Park. Secondly,when Vin Burnham said in his EARLY DAYS IN ROSEBUD (on Steve Burnham's website under ABOUT THE FAMILY)"by this time the Pattersons were on Hindhope", it meant the office/residence of Hindhope Park. (This might have been the homestead or in the camping grounds.)

The 14 acres of grounds was bounded by the back fence line of house blocks on the south side of Hope St (the boundary with The Thicket), Boneo Rd, the north side of McCombe St to a point 200 feet before Rosebrook St (near the post office corner of Rosebud Plaza), a line parallel with the bent end of Rosebrook St for 180 feet and at right angles another line to the bend in Rosebrook St,thence south along Rosebrook St to the starting point, except that the 50 foot wide Hope St extended 160 feet east from the west side of Rosebrook St.This land was transferred from Arthur Thomas to Elizabeth May Younger on 17-8-1918.

I presume the following 58 allotments were in Boneo Rd, Maysbury Ave, Donald St and the west end of Hope St.

Now is the Time to Purchase Blocks On This Estate.58 BEAUTIFUL ALLOTMENTS, SHOP SITES, &c,200 Yards off Point Nepean Road, Corner Boneo Road, Only 5 Minutes From One of the Safest and Finest beaches Anywhere.(P.28, Argus, 22-1-1927.)


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YOUNGER.- On the 21st (the result of an accident), Elizabeth May, the beloved wife of
Alexander Mackie Younger, of Fairfield Hall, North road, Caulfield, loving mother of Jack,Alexander, May, and Jean, aged 33 years.(P.1, Argus,23-10-1918.)

Oh dear, how unfortunate! And only about two months after she gained title to that 14 acre portion of Hindhope. Would you believe that clumsy Elizabeth May shot herself getting into her car? There was only one witness to the tragedy. Guess who that was.

ALEXANDER MACKIE YOUNGER, the man who built a church in a day, died early yesterday at his home, Fairfield Hall, North rd., Caulfield. The church -the Baptist Church at Fairfield- recently celebrated its 40th anniversary.Mr. Younger took his men to the site in the morning and the same night the firstservice was held.At some time or other Mr.Younger has owned much ofMelbourne's exclusive St.Kilda rd. Many properties - Warwillah, Cowabee, for in-stance - today bear the names of his Riverina stations.
He built Ardoch flats - a block of 60 - in Dandenongrd, and was responsible for
developing large sections of Caulfield and Brighton. And he had time for big game hunting in Africa and Sumatra.
Mr. Younger, who was 70,was one of a family of 13 children whose Scottish father settled at Yering, near Lilydale, in 1838. He leaves a widow, a son,and two daughters.
The funeral will leave his home today at 3 p.m. for the Brighton Cemetery.
(P.3, Argus, 18-4-1952.)

Husband's Treatment of Servant.
Further evidence was given at the Third
City Court yesterday in the case in which
Nellie Kathleen Younger, of the Hotel
Windsor, Spring street, Melbourne is pro-
ceeding against her husband, Alexander
Mackie Younger, of Fairfield Hall, North
road, Gardenvale, for maintenance. On
the bench were Mr D Grant, P M, and
Mr M T Fardy, J.P. Mr Hogan and
Mr L S Woolf (instructed by Mr J
Woolf) appeared for Mrs Younger and
Mr C J Lowe and Mr R G Menzies
(instructed by Messrs Rigby and Fielding)
for Younger.
In evidence given on Tuesday, Mrs
Younger alleged that the treatment she
received at the hands of her husband dur-
ing their 10 days of married life forced her
to leave her husband's home.
Continuing her evidence from the pre-
vious day, Mrs Ellen Davidson, mother of
Mrs. Younger, said that on September 11
after her daughter's return from her
honeymoon, she visited Younger's house.
She knew that Younger attended card
parties on Tuesday nights, and thinking
that Younger should take his wife, told
him so. She had not been anxious for
them to get on well together because she
expected it as a matter of course.
Mr Menzies-When you said to Younger
at his house that his wife would have to
obtain a divorce, did you believe that there
were improper relations between Miss
Maud Brownbill and your daughter's hus-
Witness -Yes
Believing that to be so why did you not
remove your daughter! - I did not want to
interfere unduly in their married lives.
You have been scouring the country for
witnesses who knew his relations with his
first wife! -To prove the kind of man he
Did he in your presence ever speak of
marriage settlements?- Yes. I did not
mention it to him and the matter does not
affect my attitude towards him. On one
occasion he produced papers which, he
said, showed that his income was ?8,000 a
Mr Menzies -I suppose that the pros-
pect of a wealthy son-in-law added to your
pleasure at the engagement?
Witness -It did not enhance my pleasure
You know Mrs Baldwin!-She was once
cook at Younger's house
Did you request her to give evidence? -
Did she prove reluctant?-Slightly.
Was she unwilling to say what you
wanted her to say? -She said that she did
not want to be drawn into the case.
Did you take her to Foy' s shopping?
No. We met her there. Later she made a
statement to Mr. Woolf.
John William Springthorpe, medical
practioner said that he treated Mrs
Younger between September 10 and Febru
ary 19. She was on the verge of a nervous
breakdown - physically tremulous and
emotionally overwrought and seemed to
be suffering from a sense of shame and in-
dignity. Witness advised her not to re-
turn to her husband but to enter a private
hospital. She appeared to fear the future
because of her experiences of the past. As-
suming that her evidence was correct he
considered it inadvisable for her to return
to Younger. If a man behaved as Mrs.
Younger said that her husband had be-
haved, he would regard him as a sexual
pervert. If it were proved that Younger
had sent abusive and indecent anonymous
letters, witness would without reserve say
that his intelligence was very low, or his
cunning of a very high grade.
Evidence of Handwriting Experts.
William Alexander Lind, retired bank
manager, and handwriting expert, said that
letters writen by Younger to his wife and
anonymous letters addressed to the mother
of Younger's first wife after her death,
had been written by the same person. In
his opinion a letter signed "Maud Brown
-bill", and addressed to Miss Ada Kynaston,
a cook, at Younger's house and a letter
received by Mrs. Younger signed "An old
pal" were the work of the same person.
Similar evidence was given by Frederick
William Strickland and Frank Billinghurst,
handwriting experts.
Ada Kynaston, single woman said that
she had been employed by Younger as cook
and laundress for six weeks. She found
that the house was in a very dirty condi-
tion. Younger informed her that he kept
a housemaid whom witness knew as Maud
Brownbill. Miss Brownbill rose each morn-
ing between 9 and half past 9 o'clock, and
frequently drove the children to school
after pulling an overcoat over her night
attire. She appeared to have unrestricted
use of motor-cars. Witness saw Younger
enter her room on two occasions. On one
morning Younger rose at 6 o'clock and ran
through the house saying that he thought
there were people there. Witness said,
"Who would they be and what would they
want." He replied, "I have my suspicions."
After certain allegations against Mrs.
Younger had been made by Younger, wit-
ness said to him, "Then why do you not
divorce your wife?" and he replied I
would not do that." Witness said "Why
did you not marry Maud?" He said, "No.
I wanted a pal." Younger also informed
her that his wife kept company -with people
who drank and remarked "I have been a
fool but I'm going to stick to my chil-
In reply to Mr. Menzies, witness said
that she was engaged by Younger at a
registry office. She had been previously
employed by Mr. Balchin a private detec-
tive. She knew that Mr. Balchin had been
engaged in the Younger case. Mr Balchin
had not requested her to supply him with
evidence, but she made a short report to
"Arms Around Miss Brownbill."
Ivy Bond, sister of Younger's first wife,
said that during her sister's lifetime she
had frequently seen improper conduct be-
tween Younger and Miss Brownbill.
Younger used endearing names towards
Miss Brownbill.
Mr. Hogan - Your sister was shot?
Witness -Yes
Continuing her evidence, Miss Bond said
that after her sister's death she remained
at Younger's house for a week. She slept
in a room with Miss Brownbill and
Younger's daughter, Jean. Entering the
room one night she saw Younger with his
arms around Miss Brownbill. She had seen
anonymous letters received by her mother
after her sister's death.
To Mr Lowe the witness said that it was
untrue that she had been ordered to leave
Younger's house because of her behaviour.
Before her death her sister frequently com-
plained of Younger' s treatment of Miss
Mary Woodcock married woman, of
Orrong road, Elsternwick, a sister of the
first Mrs Younger, said that on one visit
to Younger's house before her sister's death
she saw Younger with his arms around
Miss Brownbill's neck. He was saying
"Maude is my girl," and Miss Brownbill
was smiling. Witness said to her sister
who was standing at the door of the room,
"That is pretty hot, is it not?" Mrs.
Younger replied, "That is what I have got
to put up with." Witness said, "Why not
get rid of her?" and her sister answered,
"When I try he behaves like a lunatic."
On the day of her sister's funeral witness
saw Miss Brownbill and Younger in a
passage it the house. Miss Brownbill's
arms were around Younger's neck.
Mr. Lowe - Your husband had trouble
with Younger regarding a loan?"
Witness -I do not know.
Did Younger appear grief stricken at the
funeral? - He did not.
Similar evidence was given by Rose But-
ters, a sister of the first Mrs Younger.
Mrs. Younger, recalled, admitted that on
the morning following her marriage on
September 7 she had sent a telegram to her
mother in the following terms: -
"Very happy, everything perfect; leaving for
Ballarat this morning" - Nell.
The telegram, said Mrs. Younger, was not
accurate, but she did not desire to distress
her mother.
Husband's Case Commenced.
Outlining the case for the defence, Mr.
Lowe said that Miss Brownbill had been
employed Younger for seven years. After
the death of his first wife he kept her to
look after his children and to manage his
house. One of the children had always
occupied Miss Brownbill's room. Younger's
engagement with Miss Davidson came about
in a strange way. Miss Davidson had been
engaged to a young man named Gillespie
who had approached Younger with re-
quest that Younger should erect a house
for him. Miss Davidson jilted Gillespie
because she had made up her mind that
Younger was a far better "catch." She
"set her cap" at him and caught him. The
engagement progressed rapidly, and the
marriage was achieved. Miss Davidson had
been told of Miss Brownbill's position in
the house. She had refused to accept care
of the children, and had agreed that Miss
Brownbill should remain. Mrs Younger
knew that Younger was a man of consider-
able property, and it was one of the prin-
cipal causes of disagreement between them
that he had not settled property upon her.
Younger would deny the allegations of cruel
and inconsiderate treatment made by his
Mr. Lowe was still addressing the bench
when the case was adjourned until this
morning.(P.14, Argus,28-2-1924.)

WIFE GIVES EVIDENCE. "Ridiculous" Correspondence.
Nellie Kathleen Younger, of the Esplanade, Brighton Beach, gave evidence before
Judge Williams in General Sessions yesterday in the case in which her husband,
Alexander Mackie Younger, of North road Caulfield, builder, is appealing against an
order of the Court of Petty Sessions at Melbourne, dated March 13, 1924, directing
that he pay ?6 a week, for the support of his wife, find a surety of ?200 that he
comply with the order and pay ?252/7/5 costs. The hearing was commenced on Wednesday. Mrs Younger is asking that the amount of maintenance allowed her by her husband should be increased.
Mr. L.B. Cussen and Mr. Menzies (instructed by Messrs. Rigby and Fielding) are appearing for the appellant, and Mr.Hogan and Mr. H. Woolf (instructed by Mr. J. Woolf) for Mrs Younger.
Among the grounds of the appeal were a plea that it had not been proved that the
appellant had not unlawfully deserted his wife, that he had not left her without
means of support that before and at the time of the hearing of the claim he had
made bona-fide offers to the respondent to provide her with a home and that the
amount of costs awarded was excessive.
Public Excluded.
Mr. Hogan asked that the public should be excluded, at least while Mrs. Younger was giving her evidence. Mr. Menzies said that, on general principles, he concurred in the application. Judge Williams ordered accordingly.
Mrs. Younger said that she and the appellant were engaged for from three to four months before they were married. The marriage took place, on September 7,1923. About six weeks before the marriage she went to her husband's house one Sunday to tea. Her husband introduced her to Miss Brownbill, who was a nursein his home and looked after the children of his first marriage. Miss Brownbill did not speak and did not eat at the meal, and was in "an agony of grief" in her bedroom.
She said that Younger had promised to marry her. Witness said, "Alec, is that
true?" Younger replied, "No: Maud says so, but I do not remember." Younger said
that he would put two houses in Miss Brownbill's name. Miss Brownbill replied, "I do not want compensation. I want you."
Later they all motored to Ballarat in two cars. While at Ballarat she remonstrated with her husband for being away from her. She asked him where he had been. Younger replied that Miss Brownbill had been sulking, and that he had been trying to pacify her. They returned to Melbourne because, her husband said, Miss Brownbill refused to go any further on the tour proposed. He wished witness to go in Miss Brownbill's
car, but she refused. Younger said that he would drive over a cliff, and that she
would have to go home to her mother.She said that she would refuse to do so,
and returned to Melbourne with her husband in his car.
After their return to Melbourne, when they were returning from posting some letters, Younger said "I love you both" He put his arms around both witness and Miss Brownbill. He also said that if she "made up" with Miss Brownbill everything would be allright. She objected to this, and left her husband on September 19. On the pre-
vious day they had quarrelled. She said,"I cannot bear this any longer. It is
either Maud or your wife" Younger said that she could go the following day.
Mr. Menzies. - You spoke to your husband about making settlements on you.
Mrs.Younger. - I never spoke to him.He spoke to me.
Subsequent to the marriage, did he ever repudiate his promise that he would settle
property on you? - No. He promised that he would, and I left it at that.
Mr. Menzies asked Mrs. Younger what was in her mind concerning the contents of an anonymous letter which she had received. An objection was taken to the question.
Mr. Menzies. - She comes here posing as an injured innocent; an attitude which
we do not accept.
Counsel read extensively from letters which had passed between the solicitors
of both husband and wife.
Judge Williams (to Mrs. Younger). - It is absurd to say that you were never going back to your husband. You did not know much about those letters. Your case was that Miss Brownbill was there, that she was on intimate terms with your husband, that you remonstrated with him,that he got annoyed and hit you, and that you left him.
Mrs. Younger. - Yes.
Letters Criticised.
Judge Williams said that some of the correspondence was ridiculous. It was taken right out of the respondent's hands, and he was not going to assume that she was personally responsible for that correspondence.
Mr. Menzies. - Her solicitor got 30 guineas for those letters.
In reply to Mr. Menzies, Mrs. Younger said that she had been previously engaged,
but the engagement was broken off before she became engaged to her husband.
Mr. Menzies. - Do you refuse to go back to your husband? - Yes; not for anything
in the world would I go back. I would rather be dead.
Judge Williams. - If Miss Brownbill had gone out of the place you would have
stayed? - Yes; but I heard subsequently things that he said about me; and now I
will not go back.
Mrs. Younger, in answer to Mr. Menzies, said that she would not believe her husband if he said that he would get rid of Miss Brownbill from his home.
She thought that Younger was afraid that something might happen to Miss Brownbill in his absence, and that that was the reason he asked Miss Brownbill to come to Gisborne and bring the children.
The cross-examination of Mrs. Younger had not concluded when the hearing was
adjourned until this morning. (P.6, Argus,27-6-1924.)

by itellya on 2013-07-07 11:46:10

In case you haven't worked out the identity of the third wife, here's another clue.

YOUNGER.?On April 17 at his residence, 225 North road, Caulfield, Alexander Mackie beloved husband of Maude, loving father of John (deceased), Alexander, May
(Mrs Enson) and Jeanne, brother of George, aged 70 years.-At rest.
(P.13, Argus, 18-4-1952.)

James Henry Randall could have built the homestead by 1-8-1894,the nett annual value of his 29 acres and buildings being 10 pounds from that assessment. The other 29 acres were in the ownership of finance companies. Oswald Randall would have lived in the house during 1900 and 1901 while a Rajah was his guest and being pleasingly promiscuous. By 1902 Greg Rigg was living in the homestead with his wife Eleanor who was assessed on the other 29 acres. The old Randall property had a nett annual value of 15 pounds by 1902 while the other 29 acre half of Hindhope only had a N.A.V. of 5 pounds.These valuations increased in 1905 and again in 1911 (to 30 and 7 pounds.) The increases in 1905 and 1911 could have been due to the erection of a new house or just an extension.

In 1912-13 The Riggs had probably moved to their Portsea cottage and obviously John McComb was occupying the house rather than travelling down every day from Carrum. From September 1913 Arthur A.Thomas was assessed on 56 acres and buildings,probably living in the house while he had the property surveyed and from 1915 he was only assessed on 1 acre and buildings (lots 95 and 96)which was occupied by Mrs Parkes in 1915-16 and 1916-17. For 1917-18,Arthur was again rated on 1 acre and house while Alexander Mackie Younger was assessed on land part c/a 14, both given the same N.A.V. of 17 pounds; Alex would have had the 14 acre 'grounds'to which his clumsy wife gained title the following year.

For 1918-19, Younger was assessed on "about 17 acres and buildings" which would have included lots 95 and 96, the 14 acre grounds and a few unsold house blocks. Mrs Patterson may have occupied the villa in 1919 as manager of Hindhope Park. It seems obvious that Alf Rawlings of The Thicket occupied the Hindhope villa in 1919-20 while Keith McGregor, having just left Fingal, was living in the homestead block of The Thicket. (See the KEITH McGREGOR journal.)

Lots 95 and 96 of subdivision 6971, containing 1 acre 1 rood and 39 perches, were transferred to the National Trustees Executors and Agency Company of Australasia on 29-12-1922. The title was transferred to Annie Cameron of 167 Gipps St, East Melbourne on 9-1-1923 and then Keith McGregor, back in Rosebud, on 12-3-1926. On 31-3-1927,the title passed to The National Permanent Building Society and was cancelled. (Vol.5640 folio 127812.) Lot 95, part of which is now the top of Windella Ave,would have been sold off and probably some of the 160 foot First Avenue frontage
of lot 96.

See my journal THE HINDHOPE ESTATE, ROSEBUD for more details.

by itellya on 2014-06-13 01:49:46

Having discovered that the house in which the La Bella hero, William John Ferrier,lived at Rosebud seemed to have been built by Antonio Bosina prior to 1895, I was reminded about a loan he had obtained from Captain Henry Everest Adams and a violent confrontation between Fred Vine and Antonio over the latter's romantic interest in Vine's daughter. As Fred and Antonio's surnames were written in various ways, I could not find the trove article about the court case, so I tried "Fisherman,Rosebud" and found this.

Joe Peters,the black fiddler, who hailed from Baltimore,U.S.A. , rather than the Cape Verde Islands which I had suspected. Joe was granted crown allotment 21 of the Rosebud Fishing Village, the second block west of Durham Place, on 5-3-1873. This block was later owned by Evelyn Gough, a prominent advocate for equal rights for women who was the great Arthur Boyd's maternal grandmother.

NOTICE is hereby given that after the
expiration of Fourteen Days from
the publication hereof, application will be
made to the Supreme Court of the State
of Victoria in its probate jurisdiction, that
probate of the last will and testament of
Joseph Peters, late of Rosebud, fisherman,
deceased, may be granted to Mary Ann
Peters, of Queenecliff, widow, the sole ex
ecutrix named in the said will.
Dated 16th day of September, 1901.
No 54 William-street, Melbourne, Proctor
for the said Executrix. (P.2, Mornington Standard,19-9-1901.)

by itellya on 2014-06-13 02:16:13

I thought this was the Bosina/Vine case,but no. The text has been corrected by the Peters descendant, cndyh1.

Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 17 October 1895 p 2 Article
Before Mr. Smallman, P.M., and
Messrs N. Rudduck, R. Anderson
G. McLear and W. Seagrave, J'sP.
J. Baldry v. McFarlane.--There was
no appearance, and the case was struck
Mr. Cook appeared for the plaintiff,
and Mr. T. T. Smith for the defendant. Mr. Smallman xxxxxxxx xxxxx, said
that as the defendant had refused to
marry the plaintiff she now sued de-
fendant for maintainance of the child
now in court, which she alleged he was
the father of. The reason why plaintiff
did not take proceedings sooner was
because her mother was adverse to her
doing so, and she had been away for
some time in a home or lodge in Mel-
bourne, and she now intended to pro-
ceed under Section 42 of the Marriage
Act, the child being illegimate. The
child was born on the 28th March,
1894. He called the plaintiff to give
Miss E. Peters, sworn, said she was
an unmarried woman and resided at
Rosebud. She was at present in ser-
vice at the Dromana Hotel. Knew
the defendant, Thomas Peake, and first
became acquainted with him at Rose-
bud in June, 1893. She had not been
introduced by any one. Defendant
made an appointment to meet her the
next night, which he kept. She often
met him on the beach in June. In
July she was at service at Mr. Burrell's
and used to go home through the week,
when defendant used to meet her at
her mother's gate. She remembered
an entertainment being held in the
the night of 5th July. She was there
and danced with the defendant.
Mr. Cook: Did he bring you to the
dance ?
Witness: No.
Mr. Cook: After the dance was over
who went home with you?
Witness: Defendant did. This was
about half-past 1 o'clock in the morn-
ing, and on the way home he had inter-
course with me. She was not a con-
senting party. She was walking and
he was leading a horse.
Mr. Cook : Did yon go home that
night or stay at Mr. Burrell's ?
Witness: I went home that night.
He met me again on the 9th and 11th
of July at Rosebud, and after this I
saw him almost every day.
Mr. Cook: How did you come to
see him so often ? Was it by appoint-
ment ?
Witness: No. He used to pass our
place on the beach.
Mr. Smallman, P.M.: What was he
he doing so often on the beach ?
Witness: Passing to the pier. His
business was fishing. Had made an
appointment to meet him on the beach
on 27th August. He again asked me to
go out with him again on the 29th, and
I refused. About a week after he asked
me to go out again and I said I would
not. Did not meet him again, or see
him other than seeing him in the street.
I continued in service till the 28th
August, then I went to service at
Geelong. I stayed there about a month
then came home to my father's place
and stayed there about a month. Then
I went to the Dromana Hotel. I
stayed there three months then I went
home again. After that I went to
Queencliff and stayed at my sister's.
This was about the 22nd September,
1894. Then I came home for about a
week. I then went to Melbourne, came
back again and then went back to Mel-
bourne on the 22nd March, 1894, and
stayed at the Carlton Refuge, where
I was confined of a child on the 28th
March. The defendant is the father of
the child. I stayed nearly a year at
the refuge, then I came home. I was
home about three months on the 12th
June, 1895. I spoke to defendant and
asked him if he was going to support
his child. He said it was not his. I
told him it was. He then swore at me
and walked away.
Mr. Cook: I believe your mother
objected to you taking any action ?
Witness: Yes. I have taken this
action against defendant myself. I
have not had intercourse with any other
person. I am nineteen years of age at
Mr. Cooke: Where does defendant
live ?
Witness: He lives in lodgings at
Rosebud. Could not say if he had any
men working for him. Defendant
owned a fishing boat.
Mr. Smith : How do you know it is
his ?
Witness : He told me so. I am
earning at present six shillings a week.
Defendant never paid me anything for
the child.
To Mr. Smith: Did not know when
Peake came to Rosebud.
Mr. Smith: You swore you went to
Geelong on 28th August, and that you
remained there a month. Will you tell
me the date you left Mrs. Kantkner's[?] ?
Witness: I do not remember the
date. Remembered staying three
weeks at Markham's Hotel. That was
in 1893.
To Mr. Smith: I attended all the
dances at Dromana.
Mr. Smith: Do you remember going
home from a dance one night and
calling out to a man named Peaty to
wait for you and take you home.
Witness: I do not.
Mr. Smi'h: Why did you not give
the name of the father to the child ?
Witness : Because I did not want to.
Mr. Smith: What name did you call
it ?
Witness : Joseph Claude.
On page 3
Mr. Smith here produced the certifi
cate of birth showing that the child was
registered William Claude.
Witness said that it was a strange
nurse she gave the name to and she
must have registered it wrong.
Mr. Smith: Did you ever attend
dances at Rye?
Witness : Yes. Could not say on
what dates.
Mr. Smith: Do you remember a
fight between two militia men one night
at a dance over you ?
Witness : Yes ; but did not remem
ber them fighting in plaintiffs bedroom
at Mrs. Sweetapple's Hotel at Portsea.
Had [not ;ever walked out with any one
else but the defendant Peako. Had
come home from Rye with a Mr.
Council in his cart, and was quite sure
as to the time she left Geelong as it
was four days after her sister's birth
DMr. Peters, sen, sworn, said he was a
fisherman residingat Rosebud. Was the
father of the complainant. Knew te
defendant, who also resided at Rosebud
and was a fislhrman. Rmembered
asking the complainant who was the
father of her child and the said Thomas
Peake. the asked defendant what
o was going to o, an s as
going to do nothing.
Mr. Smith: What did you then say ?
Witness: I said never mind, there is
a law in the country. He was a good
deal away from home in 1891, but was
home off and on. Did not see any one
in company with his daughter but
Peake. Witness was in Geelong in
July and August working on the
dredge. Could not swear if his wife
said anything at the time the conversa
tion took place between Peake and him
sell The witness here produced a
note in writing which he had taken
down at the time when the conversa
tion took place with Peake.
Mr. Smith: I will ask the witness to
write his name.
Witness : I can write my name, but
did not say I wrote the note. It was
my wife who wrote it for me.
Mr. Smith: I thought I would catch
Alfred Peters, sworn, said he was
brother to the 'complainant, and was
seventeen years of age. He resided at
Rosebud. He often saw the defendant
and his sister out together, sometimes
two or three times a week, and had seen
them coming home from a ball which
was held at Dromana.
This closed the case for plaintiff.
ir. Smith then addressed the Bench
in an able speech, and said he did not
see that any corroborative evidence had
been brought at all, and he would ask
their wesakips to hear the defendant
himself, which would bear out his case.
The Bench did not think there was
any need, and dismissed the case.
The court then adjourned.

by itellya on 2014-06-13 02:42:48

I feel sorry for family historians. When I hit a brick wall in local history research,I ALWAYS make some other discovery.

If I remember correctly,Thomas Gomm died at Dromana in 1906, shortly after he had given evidence at the inquiry into Alfred Downward's disputed election. I obviously missed the bit in the following article about Thomas being a fisherman at Rosebud unless I had read another article that didn't mention Rosebud.

William Gomm, the grantee of crown allotment 13, Rosebud Fishing Village (now occupied by Jetty's Cafe and the twin two storey townhouses nearer the jetty) and Henry Gomm were sons of Convict Henry Gomm and totally unrelated to the Gomms of Somerville. William moved to Hastings and Henry was assessed on c/a 13 for many years, referred as Harry Gumm by the locals. Thomas was probably living and fishing with Henry.

Dr. L. L. Smith's Appeal.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 20 December 1894 p 3 Article
Thomas Gomm, a fisherman residing at Rosebud, within the electoral district of Mornington, produced his elector's right, issued 27th December, 1893.

by itellya on 2014-06-13 02:48:31

I forgot to mention that " Thomas Gamnmm*, a fisherman. resid- ti ing at Rosebud," was another son of Convict Henry Gomm.

*See why I've struck problems finding Bosina/Bosena and Vine/Vean?

by itellya on 2015-02-10 04:37:37

SPRINGBANK, Arthur's Seat, Corner Pt Nepean Rd. and Coburn Av. - Available from Feb. 12. Coburn. U8575 (P.29, Argus,3-2-1934.)

The map of early Rosebud,probably drawn by Isabel Moresby or Rosalind Peaty, starts at the lighthouse keepers' cottages, which were near the car park east of the lighthouse.Directly opposite is written:"GREENS Springbank burnt to the ground on E Friday night. Harry Cairns at 10 p.m. and my father on board, drove through it. The next property west was Mr and Mrs Burrell's mulberry farm and (probably across Adams' Creek,now The Avenue, the boundary of the Burrell's pre-emptive right),were Black David and Bob Adams Cairns farm,Wattle Rd, and Adam Guest House (Adams', Hopetoun House,later Merlyn Lodge.)

In 1919-20 Frederick R.Green of Hawthorn was assessed on 6 acres and buildings ,plan 3123,6 acres and buildings, section B Wannaeue. Section B Wannaeue was the part of the parish which had been the Burrells' Arthurs Seat Run. The assessment should have read " part crown allotment 1, section B, Wannaeue."

The 1910 assessment revealed that Mrs Caroline E.Coburn,farmer of Springbank, was assessed on 88 acres (as well as some blocks north of South Rd, east of Adams Ave.)and William John Coburn, farmer of Springbank,on lots north of South Rd that adjoined Caroline's. Catherine Burrell had 70 acres and buildings.

Coburn's Creek is shown entering the bay in Melway 158 K9, opposite the Coburn Avenue corner and near the miniature lighthouse playground which was possibly the site of the lighthouse keepers' cottages.

If my memory serves me correctly, Mrs Coburn was a Burrell girl. She, John, and Catherine Burrell had the remnants of section 1 of the pre-emptive right, some parts having been sold to the Cornell family and Nelson Rudduck and Co (24.5 acres,part c/a 1 of B, almost certainly had "Wonga*", which had been part of the estate of Professor Hearn of Heronswood in about 1888 when all his property was sold.
*Nelson Rudduck's address in an assessment found when I was tracing Captain Adams' 36 acre grant on Arthurs Seat.)

"Rosebud: Flower of the Peninsula" confirms that Mrs Catherine Coburn was a Burrell girl; she had married Charles Coburn (P.8.)Springbank was the lovely Coburn home on the mountain built in 1894. It was destroyed by a bushfire in 1912 (P.8.). Mr Coburn built many houses including Killarney in 1891.(P.9.)
The Bartels were in McCrae by 1928 but the area was still called Dromana West or in this case, Dromana. (Family Notices
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 21 April 1928 p 63 Family Notices
... Charlotte Anne, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. T. Bartels, Dromana. ) I suspect some relationship to the Burrells or Coburns but I have not found any confirmation.

Isabel Moresby mentioned that the new Springbank house was not built on the same site and now we know where it was built.

by itellya on 2019-07-25 05:48:29

The Coburns' new Springbank was 5 Coburn Avenue, was recommended for a heritage overlay and was demolished before the March 2016 planning meeting at which the Rosebud Activity Centre Plan and the Context final report (including such overlay recommendations) were to be voted on.

by itellya on 2022-01-05 02:24:34

In relation to my speculation, in my 10-2-2015 comment, that the Early Rosebud map was produced by either Isabel Moresby or Rosalind Peatey-
Before the end of 2015, I had been put in touch with Graham Bickford, grandson of George Fountain of The Pines, crown allotment 6 Rosebud Fishing Village. Graham showed me the scroll map from which the segment map had been photocopied and the memoirs written by his mother, Ethel and aunt, Laura, daughters of George Fountain. It was Laura who produced the scroll map.

Jack Jones was the grantee of c/a 6 in 1872, the year after he had purchased a 2 acre block on the east corner of Jetty Rd on which he built a store in about 1885. It was during a Rosebud holiday in 1904, that George spoke to the elderly, ailing Jones inside the tiny shop and mentioned that he was looking to buy some land. Jones offered to sell him c/a 6. It took some time for the sale to take place, possibly because Jack had lost the memorial detailing the grant. Simon McGuiness, descended from Laura, has just obtained the title showing that George Fountain acquired c/a 6 from Jones on 14 January 1908. He named his property THE PINES because of the mature pines that Jack Jones had planted years before.

The Pines was on the west corner of today's Murray Anderson Rd foreshore car park only metres from Peateys Creek, up which George used to pull his boat after fishing. Jones' house had been burnt down at about the time he built the tiny store and George bought a North Melbourne house, dismantled it, had it brought down on the Eivion, and re-erected on c/a 6. In about 1916 he bought c/a 7 when the hero of the La Bella at Warnambool, William John Ferrier, moved to Queenscliff. He demolished the tiny fisherman's cottage, all but the chimney, around which he erected another house from North Melbourne, which is still standing. He also continued Jones' row of frontage pines into SEVEN (as Ferrier had called it) which were cut down in about 2016.

Peter Wilson, author of ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD, hoped that one day the origin of the name of Murray Anderson Road would be discovered.

It was named after this man, a great friend of Clement John De Garis, who developed the HEART OF ROSEBUD estate between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd circa 1923, in which the main subdivision street was Murray Anderson Road. That was the least that De Garis could do for such a great friend.

ANDERSON Robert Murray Death
mother: Elizth nee CASSELLS father: ANDERSON Robert
place of death: MILDURA, 65, 1934, 18715/1934

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