George Trueman S Hotel at Rye Vic Aust I N 1872 Seems to Have Been the Original Rye Hotel
WAS THIS THE TAP ROOM ON TOOTGAROOK STATION (PETER PURVES' TOOTGAROOK HOTEL OF 1857) OR PERHAPS WILLIAM COTTIER'S FORMER TOOTGAROOK HOTEL OF 1867 ON JOHN CAMPBELL'S TOWNSHIP GRANTS?
NOTICE OF APPLICATION for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE.-To the Licensing Magistrates in and for the District of Dromana.-I, GEORGE TRUEMAN, of the townshlp of Rye near Dromana, in the colony of Victoria, limeburner, do hereby give notice, that I desire to obtain, and will at the next licensing meeting APPLY for, a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a house situate at the township of Rye, In the colony of Victoria, and fronting Hobson's Bay, containing seven rooms, exclusive of those required for the use of the family. The 14th day of February, A.D. 1872. GEORGE TRUEMAN. (P.2s., Argus, 17-2-1872.)
George Trueman was the second child of James Trueman and Jane (nee Cook) born on 2-3-1852 in Maddington,Wiltshire, who came out with his parents on the Sabrina in 1857 and died on 10-10-1932 in Prahran. As his older sister Annie had died in 1850 aged just over a month, George was the oldest surviving child. (Genealogy provided by Heather Spunner of Berrigan,N.S.W.)
As George's "house" was in the township, and he didn't seem to be much involved on the Truemans Rd grants, it would be interesting to compare his description with that of Cottier, who was insolvent in 1870 and had obviously turned to lime burning on his land at Fingal by the time he received his certificate of discharge in 1871.(Certificate Meetings.
Certificates of discharge from their debts were granted to the following insolvents :....... ; John Blair, of Melbourne, surgeon*; ....... William Cottier, of Rye, limeburner ; F. W. Wilks, of Collingwood, commission agent. (P.6, Argus, 10-6-1871.)
NOTICE of APPLICATION for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE.-To the Bench of Magistrates. at Mornington.-I, WILLIAM COTTIER, farmer, now residing in Rye, in the colony of Victoria, do hereby give notice that it is my intention to APPLY to the justices, sitting at the Court of Petty Sessions to be holden at Mornington, In the said colony, on tho 20th day of June next, for a CERTIFICATE authorising the issuing of a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a house situated at Rye aforesaid. The house Is built of wood, consisting of two slttlng rooms and six bedrooms exclusive of those required for the use of the family; occupied and owned by me. It is not licensed. To be known as the Tootgarook Hotel.
The 14th day of June, A.D. 1867,
(Signed) . WILLIAM COTTIER. (P.8 Argus, 21-6-1867.)
Campbell's grants comprised the land occupied in October 2015 by shops including Ray White Real Estate, the former board shop, former bike shop until late August,now vacant, on the east side of the Shark Shack fish and chip shop and shops in between.
It should be fairly easy to ascertain whether George Trueman had been leasing the Tootgarook Hotel from John Campbell. It is possible that George had a lease of the hotel that William Cottier appears to have established in 1867 but this theory would destroyed if John Campbell had been running the hotel in 1872.
NOTICE."” I, JOHN CAMPBELL, of Rye, Contractor, do hereby give notice that I desire to obtain,and will at the next Licensing Meeting APPLY for, a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a home situated at Rye,containing 8 rooms exclusive of those required for the use of the family.
The 25th day November, 1875.
JOHN CAMPBELL. (P.1,The Age, 29-11-1875.)
NOTICE of APPLICATION for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE."” To tho Licensing Magistrates at Dromana.--I, JOHN CAMPBELL, of
Rye, county Mornington, do hereby glvo notice that I desire to obtain, and will, at the next Licensing Meeting, APPLY for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a house situate at Rye, county Mornington, to be known as the RYE Hotel, containing eight rooms, exclusive of those required for tho use of the family.
Tho seventh day of June, A.D., 1873. JOHN CAMPBELL. (P.2, Leader, Melbourne, 14-6-1873.)
N.B. THE ABOVE TWO NOTICES WERE THE ONLY RESULTS ON TROVE FOR "JOHN CAMPBELL, RYE" DURING THE DECADE 1870-1879.My next step was going to be a check to see if George Trueman had in 1872 been leasing another hotel in Rye, such as Patrick Sullivan's GRACEFIELD HOTEL, which I think was said to have been established in 1877. I don't really need to because of the 1873 notice. But I'll do it anyway! "hotel,rye" 1872. This search produced not one result,illustrating one problem with Rye; George Trueman's notice was published in 1872 but did not use the word HOTEL, instead referring to a licence for a house. I substituted "license, house,rye" in 1872,again getting no result but when I deleted the inverted commas, I obtained George's notice and 50 other results,none of the latter referring to Rye, except forthe sale of town lots in 1872. "Hotel, Rye" 1870-1879 showed a flurry of advertisements for Sullivan's, or the Gracefield, six miles from Sorrento from about 1877 and that Rye had only one hotel before this, the second TOOTGAROOK Hotel established by Cottier 1867,lost by him when the partnership with Campbell was dissolved just prior to Cottier's insolvency, leased by George Trueman in 1872, and operated from 1873 by the grantee of the land on which it stood, John Campbell.
C.N.Hollinshed stated in LIME LAND LEISURE that the Cottier family had gained a licence for a "house" in Dromana called the Rye Hotel and that this licence had been transferred to Tootgarook,thus giving the town its present name. This was proven wrong in my journal about William Cottier, whose aim was to confirm Hollinshed's claim. However the author had stated that the FIRST RYE HOTEL IN RYE was east of Lyons St and produced a map of historic sites in Rye showing Campbell's Hotel precisely on Campbell's grants (as indicated by the Rye Township map.) Because of lack of detail in rate records for about the first five decades of municipal government,it cannot be stated without dispute that Cottier's 1867 TOOTGAROOK HOTEL was on Campbell's grants but the following makes it very likely.
NOTICE.-The PARTNERSHIP hitherto subsisting between WILLIAM COTTIER and JOHN CAMPBELL, trading as " Wm. Cottier and Campbell," at Tootgarook, has this day been DISSOLVED by mutual consent.All liabilities will be paid and all moneys received by William Cottier.
JOHN CAMPBELL. WM. COTTIER., Melbourne 18th April, 1870. (P.3, Argus, 14-4-1870.)
Charles Hollinshed was right about the original RYE HOTEL being associated with Cottier (although the given name he used was James). The second Rye Hotel, the present one, was built in art deco style by Mrs Hunt (who demolished the Gracefield Hotel in the late 1920's) as detailed on the foundation stone. But the partnership's name for the 1867 establishment was the Tootgarook Hotel and it would appear to be John Campbell,now the sole owner, who renamed it the Rye Hotel in 1873. It is not known what name George Trueman had given it in 1872.
The only reference I have found, connecting George Trueman to an hotel in Rye is during the elections Feb/March 1872
The Argus, Tuesday 11 October 1932
DEATHS
TRUEMAN On the 10th October, George, eldest son of the late James and Jane Trueman of Rye, and loved brother of Sarah, (Mrs. C. Moat) Ellen(Mrs. Cook, deceased) Thomas (deceased)William and John, aged 80 years.
RYE AS A WATERING-PLACE.
TO " HUMMING BEE."
Madam, ln last week's Australasian
there ia an article, written, I presume, by you,
respecting the different townships, &c., on
the bay; and as the remarks you make
respecting the above place are not very
flattering (for it appears you are even not
quite sure of its existence) I have taken the
liberty of addressing these few lines to you
with a view of making you slightly acquainted
with the geography, &c., of the place. Rye,
a very old township, is situated on Port
Phillip Bay about six miles from Sorrento,
and six miles from the Rosebud. It contains
about 60 inhabitants, chiefly fishermen.
There is one hotel (the GRACEFIELD), one
store, post-office, state school, and church,
besides several private houses. The jetty
extends a considerable distance, and is going
to be extended further this year, so as to
enable passenger steamers, lime and wood
vessels to load, which at present they are
unable to do on account of the shallow
ness of the water at the extreme end. The
scenery about the neighbourhood is very
pretty, and the back beach is easily reached
on foot in about three-quarters of an hour.
By referring to the Handbook of Victoria,
published by Messrs. Gordon and Gotch,
you will see a description of this place.
Apologising for troubling you,
I am, &c.,
H. J. HORNEMAN Rye, Jan. 22.1883
Horneman was the teacher at Rye State School so he would have known about the hotels. A room attached to,or next to, John Campbell's hotel was used as a school room between the time that the original school/hall on the site of the present Rye Anglican Church became unsafe because of falling masonary and a new building was erected on the present school grounds. This caused many protests. (RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1667,Patricia Appleford)
As applications for licences seem to have been needed annually, it seems strange that there was no application in 1874 for John Campbell's Rye Hotel of 1873 and then a further application was made in 1875. Did John close his hotel in 1874 so that there would be no need to find another temporary school venue? The above comment makes it clear that John Campbell's hotel had closed permanently before 1883. Perhaps his 1875 application had been rejected.
SEE NEW JOURNAL ABOUT THE TRUEMANS OF TOOTGAROOK.
The licencing Court would not have heard Trueman's February 17th application till March. The sitting was held every year quarterly.
The issue and registration of Liquor licences in Victoria
Great information janilye! I'll have to store that one in the hard drive between my ears.