Joseph Peters Born 1842 Died 1900 Dromana Vic Aus was from Baltimore USA
I am Looking for any information on Joseph Peters born 1842 died 1900 in Melbourne, i believe he resided in Dromana/Rosebud in Victoria Australia and was from Baltimore USA he was married to A Mary Ann White and had 15 Children one of whom was my Great Grandmother (Ellen Phoebe Peters) any information would be apprciated as we have questions about our ancestry as my Grandfather Les Peters is the son of Ellen Peters ( Father Unknown) and was made a state ward and was fairly Dark Skinned and was designated Aboriginal by the AIF in World War 1.
Les was a decorated war veteran and worked in Mental health at Mont Park Mental Hospital for over 40 years and was a well respected and loved member of the Northcote Community in Melbourne and was the secetary of the Limbless Soldiers Association for 25 years he was born in 1899 and died in 1994, and we believe he had 2 brothers (Joseph Claude Peters) and (Eric James Peters) which he never knew and he also was brought up with his Cousin Olive May Lovelace nee Peters born to Maud Peters ( Ellen's Sister) in 1900 and died in 1997 in Frankston.
so far I have found that Joseph Peters was a Fisherman and possibly jumped ship in Dromana and was possible from The Cape Verde Islands , this would solve a lot of questions as a lot of my family are of darker skin complexion and with black curly hair.
We have been informed also that my Grandfathers Father (Philip Mulhall) was of aboriginal decent.
Les was married to Myrtle May Logan in 1922 and had 3 children Norman (Dec) Mavis ( Dec) and Ken (Living, My Father) all of whom never knew there Grandmother or other relatives as both parents were wards of the state.
Have you seen the Will/Probate for Joseph Peters died 9th July 1900, Fisherman, Rosebud at PRO VIC.
Welcome to familytreecircles JPRG67.
There was a Joseph PETERS arrived in Victoria on the "Mimmie Dike" in 1858.
His age was not recorded so hard to say if it was him.
Cheers.
No I haven't seen the will/Probate but thanks for the tip, and I think The Joseph Peters I'm after arrived in around about 1868-1870 approx.
This is Ellen Phoebe Peters
Father Unknown
Born Carlton Vic 18994
Reg: 10091
17th October 1895, Mornington Standard
E. PETERS v. T. PEAKE. Mr. Cook appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr. T. T. Smith for the defendant. Mr. Smallman xxxxxxxx xxxxx, said that as the defendant had refused to marry the plaintiff she now sued de- fendant for maintainance of the child now in court, which she alleged he was the father of. The reason why plaintiff did not take proceedings sooner was because her mother was adverse to her doing so, and she had been away for some time in a home or lodge in Mel- bourne, and she now intended to pro- ceed under Section 42 of the Marriage Act, the child being illegimate. The child was born on the 28th March, 1894. He called the plaintiff to give evidence. Miss E. Peters, sworn, said she was an unmarried woman and resided at Rosebud. She was at present in ser- vice at the Dromana Hotel. Knew the defendant, Thomas Peake, and first became acquainted with him at Rose- bud in June, 1893. She had not been introduced by any one. Defendant made an appointment to meet her the next night, which he kept. She often met him on the beach in June. In July she was at service at Mr. Burrell's and used to go home through the week, when defendant used to meet her at her mother's gate. She remembered an entertainment being held in the
the night of 5th July. She was there and danced with the defendant. Mr. Cook: Did he bring you to the dance ? Witness: No. Mr. Cook: After the dance was over who went home with you? Witness: Defendant did. This was about half-past 1 o'clock in the morn- ing, and on the way home he had inter- course with me. She was not a con- senting party. She was walking and he was leading a horse. Mr. Cook : Did yon go home that night or stay at Mr. Burrell's ? Witness: I went home that night. He met me again on the 9th and 11th of July at Rosebud, and after this I saw him almost every day. Mr. Cook: How did you come to see him so often ? Was it by appoint- ment ? Witness: No. He used to pass our place on the beach. Mr. Smallman, P.M.: What was he he doing so often on the beach ? Witness: Passing to the pier. His business was fishing. Had made an appointment to meet him on the beach on 27th August. He again asked me to go out with him again on the 29th, and I refused. About a week after he asked me to go out again and I said I would not. Did not meet him again, or see him other than seeing him in the street. I continued in service till the 28th August, then I went to service at Geelong. I stayed there about a month then came home to my father's place and stayed there about a month. Then I went to the Dromana Hotel. I stayed there three months then I went home again. After that I went to Queencliff and stayed at my sister's. This was about the 22nd September, 1894. Then I came home for about a week. I then went to Melbourne, came back again and then went back to Mel- bourne on the 22nd March, 1894, and stayed at the Carlton Refuge, where I was confined of a child on the 28th March. The defendant is the father of the child. I stayed nearly a year at the refuge, then I came home. I was home about three months on the 12th June, 1895. I spoke to defendant and asked him if he was going to support his child. He said it was not his. I told him it was. He then swore at me and walked away. Mr. Cook: I believe your mother objected to you taking any action ? Witness: Yes. I have taken this action against defendant myself. I have not had intercourse with any other person. I am nineteen years of age at present. Mr. Cooke: Where does defendant live ? Witness: He lives in lodgings at Rosebud. Could not say if he had any men working for him. Defendant owned a fishing boat. Mr. Smith : How do you know it is his ? Witness : He told me so. I am earning at present six shillings a week. Defendant never paid me anything for the child. To Mr. Smith: Did not know when Peake came to Rosebud. Mr. Smith: You swore you went to Geelong on 28th August, and that you remained there a month. Will you tell me the date you left Mrs. Kantkner's[?] ? Witness: I do not remember the date. Remembered staying three weeks at Markham's Hotel. That was in 1893. To Mr. Smith: I attended all the dances at Dromana. Mr. Smith: Do you remember going home from a dance one night and calling out to a man named Peaty to wait for you and take you home. Witness: I do not. Mr. Smi'h: Why did you not give the name of the father to the child ? Witness : Because I did not want to. Mr. Smith: What name did you call it ? Witness : Joseph Claude.
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Mr. Smith here produced the certifi cate of birth showing that the child was registered William Claude. Witness said that it was a strange nurse she gave the name to and she must have registered it wrong. Mr. Smith: Did you ever attend dances at Rye? Witness : Yes. Could not say on what dates. Mr. Smith: Do you remember a fight between two militia men one night at a dance over you ? Witness : Yes ; but did not remem ber them fighting in plaintiffs bedroom at Mrs. Sweetapple's Hotel at Portsea. Had [not ;ever walked out with any one else but the defendant Peako. Had come home from Rye with a Mr. Council in his cart, and was quite sure as to the time she left Geelong as it was four days after her sister's birth day: DMr. Peters, sen, sworn, said he was a fisherman residingat Rosebud. Was the father of the complainant. Knew te defendant, who also resided at Rosebud and was a fislhrman. Rmembered asking the complainant who was the father of her child and the said Thomas Peake. the asked defendant what o was going to o, an s as going to do nothing. Mr. Smith: What did you then say ? Witness: I said never mind, there is a law in the country. He was a good deal away from home in 1891, but was home off and on. Did not see any one in company with his daughter but Peake. Witness was in Geelong in July and August working on the dredge. Could not swear if his wife said anything at the time the conversa tion took place between Peake and him sell The witness here produced a note in writing which he had taken down at the time when the conversa tion took place with Peake. Mr. Smith: I will ask the witness to write his name. Witness : I can write my name, but did not say I wrote the note. It was my wife who wrote it for me. Mr. Smith: I thought I would catch you. Alfred Peters, sworn, said he was brother to the 'complainant, and was seventeen years of age. He resided at Rosebud. He often saw the defendant and his sister out together, sometimes two or three times a week, and had seen them coming home from a ball which was held at Dromana. This closed the case for plaintiff. ir. Smith then addressed the Bench in an able speech, and said he did not see that any corroborative evidence had been brought at all, and he would ask their wesakips to hear the defendant himself, which would bear out his case. The Bench did not think there was any need, and dismissed the case. The court then adjourned.
Child of Ellen Peters as mentioned in article
Name Jos claud Peters
Mother Ellen Phoebe Peters
Father Peters
Born Carlton Vic 1894
Reg: 10091
That is totally amazing that is My Great Grandmother and also mentioned Joseph, wow awesome stuff, heard the rumours about Ellen, but these confirm them, the irony is that I just found out that when Ellen Remarried to a George Green and moved to North Fitzroy that she only live 1 mile away from her son Leslie and her Grandsons Norm and Ken, unbelievable. thank you so much for this great work indeed.
It appears Ellen Phoebe PETERS had three children before she married.
Name: Joseph Claud PETERS.
Born: 1894 Carlton, Victoria.
Father: Unknown.
Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #10091.
Name: Eric James PETERS.
Born: 1896 Dromana, Victoria.
Father: Unknown.
Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #19303.
Name: Leslie PETERS.
Born: 1899 St Kilda, Victoria.
Father: Unknown.
Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #14024.
REAL ESTATE of Joseph Peters
All that piece of land at Rosebud in the Parish of Wannanue, County of Mornington being allotment 21 containing 1 rood and 12 8/10 perches described in Crown Grant volume 607 Folio 121,351 upon which is erected a small fishermans house valued at 30 pounds
8th April 1902 PRO-VIC
Probate was granted to Mary Ann Peters of Queenscliff, Victoria
Fantastic Stuff, Trying to also find out what happened to Joeseph Claud and Eric James Peters trail has gone cold.
I've told your relative abbeyg to private message you Steve.
Oops, I'll have to message her again with the right name:JPRG67. Sorry Steve.
Thanks for that, my name is Stuart Peters, I appreciate the help.
Joseph peters is my wife’s 2nd great grandfather so any information you may have would be great, the Peter’s married into the Hayman’s ( my wife’s surname )
Regards
Joseph peters is my wife’s 2nd great grandfather so any information you may have would be great, the Peter’s married into the Hayman’s ( my wife’s surname )
Regards
Hello there! I am new to researching our family tree and have come across this very helpful thread. I am the great granddaughter of Olive May Lovelace nee Peters. My Grandmother Beryl (Olives daughter) is still with us at nearly 96 and we have started the process of finding out some answers of where we came from. Olive was the daughter of Maude Mary, Ellen Peters sister. Olive and Les grew up together only finding out later in life that they were actually cousins (as the story goes!).
As to finding Olive's father I don't think we will ever know unfortunately? I have copies of birth certificates for all of Ellen's children and Maude's but the leads are running cold on any more information on Joseph Peters, George Peters (potentially Joseph's father) and Mary Ann etc.....
The information I have on Mary Ann so far is that she came from Wiltshire County, England, United Kingdom.
If anyone has any light at the end of this long tunnel my Nan (Beryl) would love to finally know at the ripe young age of 96!