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Looking for Mary Begley Peagram

Query by carogood

I have being doing a lot of work on my fathers side of the family - Atkinson, Goodwillie & Lyon and now am concentrating on my mothers side -Lynch,Revell, Davis, Peagram.

I have found a reference to an illegitimate child Mary Begley Peagram and am trying to find her records for school, marriage, possible children, death etc but she has disappeared.

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by carogood Profile | Research | Contact | Subscribe | Block this user
on 2009-12-19 19:15:10

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by allycat on 2009-12-19 20:15:05

Welcome. You will do well to become a registered user (free site) of RootsChat find their NEW ZEALAND board and post some lookup requests.

Think about having your family tree online. If you are only doing it for yourself, goto TribalPages. However, if you are more experienced (than I can glean from here) goto Geni create your tree from scratch as it says 'begin here' or upload your GEDCOM file.

Birth, Death and Marriage - Historical Records of New Zealand

If you live in NZ you could check out the NZSG. Their cds (available for purchase) have school records for example and much more...

Best wishes

by Patron on 2010-06-14 09:20:58

Hi Carogood. Have only recently heard about Mary Begley Peagram the daughter of Phoebe Peagram. Phoebe emigrated with her parents to New Zealand in 1874. My great grandfather was her older brother who stayed behind in England. How are you related to Phoebe?

by carogood on 2010-06-14 15:17:54

Phoebe was my great grandmother on my mothers' side of the family.
I am interested in her brothers and sisters also but have no information about the siblings that stayed behind in England.
In regard my original request for information of Phoebe's first born- Mary Begley Peagram - I have traced her birth father and his family, her adoptive family, her husband and children and at that point I have stopped and filed the information away as it isn't my direct line and have concentrated on Phoebe's husband John Stanford Davis and their children.

by MelR on 2013-01-03 05:37:27

Hi Patron and carogood I am researching a link but to John Stanford Davis he is believed to be the brother to my husbands great grandfather.

The information I have found is as follows:

John Savins b. 1848 Yarnton, Oxfordshire. Mother and Father were Ann Claydon and William Savins married in Woodstock, Oxfordshire in 1847.

John appears in the 1851 census aged 3, with Mother: Ann Stanford and step father George Stanford. who married 1850.

George Stanford is my husbands 2nd great grandfather.
Ann and George had the following children

William Stanford
1852 ? 1931
Mary Stanford
1854 ?
James Stanford
1859 ?
Thomas Stanford
1861 ?
George Stanford
1864 ? 1926
Eliza A Stanford
1867 ?

John came out to NZ on the Waikato in 1874 under the name John Stanford.

But whilst in NZ picked up the name DAVIS, we believe, but not sure how the Davis name came about or why he was the only one that came out to NZ.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

by carogood on 2013-01-03 12:07:00

Hi MelR
Lovely hear from you!
You have more info re John arriving in New Zealand [year date/name of ship] than I have.
Family verbal history has it that John added Davis to his surname to hide the fact that he had [supposedly] jumped ship [was he a seaman?this is unknown] and was in New Zealand illegally. Stanford was always included into his surname - often with a hyphen [Stanford-Davis] and all his and Phoebe's children had it also.The Stanford name was considered very important and passed down through the generations often as a second name for the boys.
Why the new name - Davis? that is unknown. It may have had some significance that John knew about but that particular bit of information wasn't passed through family history.
Any other information that you have that you would like to share with me and one other family historian [Margaret aka Brad] here in NZ would be greatly appreciated.
Which child of George and Ann is your husbands link?
Thanks very much for this contact.

by carogood on 2013-01-03 12:30:56

Just adding some extra info-
I have just checked the passenger listing for 'Waikato' 1874 and John is registered as a 'single man passenger' as John Savins [not Stanford] aged 23 -occupation 'bootmaker'.
If he was born in 1848 his actual age would have been 26 - is this another way of hiding his true identity? or just confusion?

by carogood on 2013-02-20 11:26:30

by carogood on 2013-03-02 13:51:53

Hi MelR
Ann Clayden and William Savins are not the parents of John Savins who eventually came to New Zealand with the name change of John Stanford Davis.His mother was definitely Ann Savins whose first and only marriage was to George Stanford.But there is another John Savins born of the union between Ann Clayden b1823 Weston on the Green, Oxon and William Savins b 1827 of Water Eaton, Oxfordshire. This John didn't serve on board the Royal Oak in 1871 and did marry Mary A Stonehall abt 1869 and had 5 children- Albert b1868,Laura b1870, Florence b1873, Elsie b 1876 & Joseph b1879. My informant is a Savins descendent as well who has been able to supply me with the entire family history of Savins [Yarnton] and Stanford [Merton] . Apparently Ann and George Stanford and their children including John appear on the census records 1861 in Mulberry Street, Clerkenwell, Middlesex and on the 1871 census records in Etruria Street, Battersea, London. So this still begs the question - which family are you attached to?

by MelR on 2014-05-12 18:48:02

Thanks carogood, I figured there was something amiss with the information I had, I shelved it as you can tell for a while any information you could help with would be greatly appreciated, as I am at a loss with the searches on this side of the family.

The link I have is George Stanford (GG Grandfather) b 1825, Merton, Oxfordshire, married Ann Savins b 1827, married 16 Oct 1850, Bicester, Oxfordshire children of the marriage: William b 1851, Mary b 1853, James b 1859, Thomas b 1861, George b 1863, Eliza b 1867. and whom I presumed the stepson John Savins b 1849. (which now does not seem to be the case)

It is through the son George b 1863, that his son George b.1902 that the relationship is formed to my husbands side of the family.

by carogood on 2014-05-12 21:20:50

Hi again MelR
Nice surprise to hear from you again. So your husband is my far distant relation - nice! With any family history the only way to proceed is a direct line ancestor.If George Stanford had a son George have you found the other siblings-their marriages, children's births and deaths as well as George's marriage, childrens' births and deaths?Parish records and electoral rolls may help you a bit. I am inadequate in this regard I am afraid - I have tracked a lot of the Stanford-Davis children of John and Phoebe here in New Zealand but not a lot into the generations after them as the 100 year privacy rule stops a lot of research into recent generations.The most help I have had is via Roots Chat and Ancestry via kind strangers and distant Savins relatives for past generations.Just recently a cousin of my mothers' died [last of her family] which means I have no contact with the remnants of that branch of the Stanford-Davis generation. All the best with your research.

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