hi have his baptism, Raymond James Wells Shurmer 19 Sept 1877 Derby Derbyshire Father Richard Mother Susan
he must have been born much earlier as he married in 1890
regards Marion

There is a birth registered for Raymond James Wells SHURMER 1857, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, Q4 6A 349

1881 UK Census, living at 4 Gilbert Road, Lambeth, London
Susan Shurmer, Head, widow, 57 ( 1824) Annuitant, born Gloucester
Raymond, son, single, 23 (1858) Clerk, born Cheltenham
Lizzie, daughter, 24 (1857) Cashier, born Cheltenham

Rose Martha Patrick married James Raymond Shurmer (sic) St Saviour Southwark, London, 1890, Q4 1D 481

Uk 1901 census, living at Stourton Lodge, Wakefield, Road, Rothwekk, Yorkshire
James Shurmer, head, 43 (1858) Secretary of Limited Liabilty Company, born Cheltenham,
Rose Martha, wife, 37 (1864) born Southwark, London
with 4 children : let me know if you want the children's details. As you were looking for pre 1891 you probably already have them

Thank you, both!! Any additional info would be helpful, including bdays for kids!! Parent or grandparent would be great, too!

Is there much on Rose Martha Patrick and her parents??? Thank you!

UK 1901 census the children
Dorothy Rose, 9 (1892) born Ossory Road, London
Horace James, 8 (1893) born Osory Road, London
Allan Frank, 5 (1896) Oulton, Yorkshire
Marjorie Ada, 4 months (1901) Rothwell, Yorkshire

1881 UK Census for Rose Martha, living at 55 St Georges Road, St George the Martyr, Southwark, London
Samuel Patrick, head, 48 (1833) French Polisher, born Lambeth, Surrey
Jane, wife, 49 (1832) Lambeth
William A, son, 22 (1859) Book Binder, Southwark
Ada M, daughter, 19 (1862) Dressmaker, Southwark
Rose M, daughter, 17 (1864) Milliner, Southwark
Frank A, son, 16 (1865) Clerk Commercial, Southwark
Ernest J, son, 11 (1870) Scholar, Southwark
Edwin, son, 8 (1873) Scholar, Southwark

Thank you!