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Could you please put the link for the Wannaeue map in comment 1 janilye?

The Rosebud Fishing Village is not discussed here as it is the subject of another journal. Only surnames of those pioneers whose descendants may not be aware of the Wannaeue connection will be included in the surnames list.

It seems a hopeless task to find the meaning of Wannaeue. I have a faint recollection of seeing a definition during the campaign to rename Dromana West. Can I find it?

Sir,-Your correspondent "The Iron is Hot," in writing of the confusion of place- names at Dromana, has voiced the opinion of most of the residents of Dromana West. Some years ago, when the "loose mailbag" was supplanted by the post-office, a petition signed by the residents of that small settlement on the slope of Arthur's Seat, requesting that the township be named Wannaue, was not granted. This name (pronounced Wan-ar-u-e) is the original and aboriginal name of the district, the interpretation being "reedy waters."

Until that time Dromana West was included in the township of Rosebud, the
original Wannaue, the township having gradually become known as Rosebud
owing to a ship of that name having been wrecked close to the Wannaeue beach. This small township is growing rapidly, and is on the most beautiful part
of Port Phillip Bay. It is the urgent wish of its residents that a name be chosen
in' keeping with the beauty of the surroundings.-Yours, &c,
Dromana West. ISOBEL M. GREEN*. (P.10, Argus, 21-2-1939.)
*The Greens lived at "Springbank", about opposite the lighthouse according to the Early Rosebud map. It was destroyed by fire one Friday night.

I think the above definition can be believed, because of the Wannaeue/ Boneo/ Tootgarook swamp which occupied a large part of the parish but also the many creeks that entered the bay: Coburn's near Coburn Rd, Adams' near The Avenue, Eeling which flow through Tom Salt Park, Peatey's near Murray Anderson Rd and probably others before Chinaman's Creek, such as the unnamed channel near Seventh Avenue in which Lou Bucher drowned.

A post office directory or gazeteer for Rye from about 1879 mentions population and the Swamp Village about six miles to the east which probably meant the Rosebud Fishing Village. (This may have been in Patricia Appleford's Rye Primary School 1667.)

Chinaman's Creek had an ill-defined course, originally emptying into the bay near the Rosebud Hospital site but even with the channel dug by Ned Williams there are still plenty of REEDS to be seen today.

The parish boundaries are: N. Port Phillip Bay to Burrell Rd (indicated by the N-S portion of Latrobe Pde, where it adjoined the township of Dromana), that line south to Pindara Rd and Arthurs Seat Rd (where it adjoined Kangerong to the north) ; E. Mornington-Flinders Rd, where it adjoined Balnarring;
S. Shands Rd (where it adjoined Flinders) west to Main Creek, the creek to the right side of Melway 254 E7 and following the Main Ridge/ Boneo boundary into Wallermerriyong Rd to Limestone Rd and (now adjoining Fingal) west to the line of Weerona St/ Government Rd, Rye, where both Wannaeue and Fingal adjoined Nepean.

Strathmore History - Wannaeue House
Now demolished. This house was located at the corner of Peck Avenue and Pascoe Vale Road, where the Red Rooster Fast Food Restaurant now stands. The house was built in the 1870's by John Peck one of the co founders of Cobb and Co. who also later built the house "Lebanon"* further up the hill in Strathmore.
"Wannaeue" was a Maori word meaning "By a Creek".
(*Lebanon was built in 1882. Until it was built, Peck lived at "Mascoma" in Ascot Vale.)

Bruce Barbour was one of my early history pals. The result of his request for information can be found by googling RAY GIBB, STRATHMORE. The house in Bruce's article was originally described by the great Sam Merrifield as Wanganui (Maori for big water) and it was this word that led to Bruce's mistake. He would have never found a definition for Wannaeue on the internet. The house he discusses was on John Peck's Lebanon Estate and may have been built as a wedding present for his daughter who married William Allison Blair Jnr. about a year before the below birth notice was inserted. Red Rooster at the east end of the Peck Avenue footbridge in Melway 16 J9 is on the site of Wannaeue, known to Pascoe Vale kids of the 1930's as Cook Cottage because it was bought by Albert Cook, the longtime Broadmeadows Shire Secretary. The house was illegally demolished.

BLAIR.- On the 28th January, at Wannaeue, Pascoe Vale, the, wife of W. A. Blair, jun., of a son. (P.45, Leader, 9-2-1889.)

To give squatters the security to develop their runs, as long as they paid their lease fees to the crown until the parish was surveyed, their pre-emptive right, usually of 640 acres or a square mile could not be bought by anyone else as long as the payment of fees continued.

Edward Hobson moved from the Kangerong Run to Tootgarook in 1838 but he called the run Packomedurrawurra according to one of the Meyricks. By about 1843, he was off to Tarwin River and then the RIVER OF LITTLE FISH*, his brother Edmund's run, whose name today is Traralgon, a corruption of the aboriginal words for river of little fish coined by Edward. His (sort of) stepfather, George Smith, took over the run, calling the run TOOTGAROOK and his HOMESTEAD Wooloowoollboolook (George McCrae's spelling.) While there, the so-called Mrs Smith (mother of the Hobsons) restored to health the near dead four year old Sarah Ann Cain (later Mrs James Rogers of Balnarring) who'd been lost in the bush. Also, because the Tootgarook run seems to have been between the Bay and the road to Cape Schanck (the freeway and Old Cape Schanck Rd) right to Anthonys Nose, generous George transferred some of it gratis to the Arthurs Seat run so that Andrew Murchison McCrae could access the beach legally.

(SOURCES: (Both available on the internet.)
1. I Succeeded Once, quoted in one of my journals:
2. The River of Little Fish, a history of Traralgon for children.

I stated before that George Smith may have been on Tootgarook. On page 4 of The Argus of 21-5-1850,a government notice lists occupants and other details of runs for which the occupants were to submit applications for 12 month leases from 1-1-1851. In the County of Mornington,No. 17 of 19 was George Smith (occupant), 20 square miles (extent), Tootgarook (name of run), Port Phillip Bay (location).

"Contrary to what is widely asserted, he did not hold a licence for Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk on the Mornington Peninsula: a thorough search of the original Pastoral Run Papers produced no papers for Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk in the box which holds all the original W Pastoral Run Papers.50 Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk is not a pastoral run; it is the name of the house at Capel Sound where he lived in the 1840s.51"

2. "The River of Little Fish"

James Purves took over the run in 1850 and the P.R.was managed for 27 years by his brother Peter (d. 1860) and then Peter's son, James. Land alienated from this run was described as being in SECTION A.

The most northerly part of the parish was the Arthurs Seat P.R. Andrew McCrae leased the run from about 1843 but after he and Henry Tuck had constructed a house fit for the artistic Georgiana McCrae and a tenure of another five or so years, fear of their home being swallowed by the proposed (Dromana) supposedly caused them to quit the run. To my mind, the reason may have instead been financial difficulties. The run was so thickly wooded that it was fit only for cattle and the difficulty of getting them to market was dwarfed only by the problem of FINDING them. That's probably how Andrew found signs of the yellow stuff at Bald Hill (Red Hill.) His other difficulty was the refusal of his brother Dr Farquhar McCrae to repay a loan, the very reason Andrew had taken up the run in the first place because he could no longer afford to live in Melbourne. The dishonorable Doc displeased others too. He dudded Alphabetical Foster in the transfer of the Eumemmering run near Dandenong and fear of Foster's retribution provoked a flight to Sydney; streets in Dandenong are named after the dudder and duddee. Andrew had no trouble finding government employment as soon as he quit the run.

The Run, in 1851, and later, the P.R.became Burrell property. Visit the McCrae homestead to get the full story of both families. Alienated land from the Arthurs Seat Run was described as being in SECTION B.

Maurice Meyrick took up the Boniyong run but he took off for Gippsland after fighting a duel with Dr Barker of the Cape Schanck Run. The doctor took over the run with his brother Edward and the family retained the P.R. straddling the (Old) Cape Schanck road between Browns and Limestone Rds until about 1900.
Land alienated from this run SHOULD HAVE BEEN described as being in SECTION C; the portion in the parish of Fingal was!

The surveyor's tools were the compass and the chain. The government roads they reserved were magnetic N-S and W-E so Melway maps which use true north show these roads rotated slightly to the right (about 1 to 7 and 10 to 4 o'clock.) This makes it difficult to give exact Melway references for properties.

If a track already existed, it was reserved as a government road and used for crown allotment boundaries - such as the one starting at Ponderosa Place in Dromana, accessed from the bottom of Foote St at Dromana to avoid waiting for low tide to round Anthonys Nose on the beach, and via Wattle Rd near the Rosebud, which ran south west past Jetty Rd to Browns Rd before dog legging left to link with Boneo Rd at Melway 253 C10 in Fingal. This track, from what was named as Palmerston Avenue in Dromana to Austin Avenue (the north west corner of Back Road Bob Cairns' "Fernvilla" in Rosebud) is now the freeway.

The chain* was 20 metres long, each of the 100 links 20 centimetres long. The exact equivalent for a chain is 20.1168 metres but I use 20 metres when I give boundaries and distances unless I want to be exact.As space was limited on the parish maps lengths were given in links. In townships, lots usually had a one chain frontage, written as 100 (links) but corner blocks were 200 x 200.
The distance between the Elizabeth Avenue and Truemans Rd corners was/ is 3613 links which is 36 X 20 + 13 hundredths of 20, 720+ 2.6 = 722.6 metres, or to be exact and using the 20.1168 conversion, 726.819984 metres.

(*Victoria's most famed surveyor, Robert Hoddle, married into the Baxter family as did the Sages and both purchased land adjoining the P.R.when the Carrup Carrup run at Baxter was alienated. There is an article about two elderly Sage descendants whose most prized possession was Uncle Robert's surveying chain.)

For the racing fans.
In the old days landlords would allow their tenant farmers or cottiers a strip of land a chain wide and ten chains long. The name for this area probably originated from the Crusades*. Thus the length of this paddock (220 yards or 200 metres) became known as a furrow long, later corrupted to FURLONG.
Siege of Acre (1291) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It would be wise to print the map and label the roads to avoid having to refer to this when significant occupants are discussed.

Three roads have not been included below, Old Cape Schanck Rd would have been created by Jamieson, early squatter on the Cape Schanck run, and the ruts created by his dray would have been followed by later squatters. By 1906 it was being referred to as Hobsons Flat road by the shire while most called it the back road, hence Robert Cairns' nickname. Its course has been described above and due to its name, and the freeway course to Austin Avenue, it should be fairly easy to identify. The second is Wattle Rd which was probably a track created by wattle bark strippers; the bark was used to produce tannin to tan leather. The third is The Avenue, which I have been told was the course of Adams' Creek. The Creek itself would have been used as a boundary between the Arthurs Seat pre-emptive right and crown allotment 20 Wannaeue, the Wannaeue Village Reserve. It is likely that Back Road Bob Cairns and his son Godfrey were using the track now called the Avenue in 1905 when Robert Henry Adams threatened to repel their trespass with a shovel. The Avenue linked at the freeway course with Cairn (sic) Rd, the driveway to Back Rod Bob CairnS' Fernvilla homestead.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Saturday 5 August 1905 p 5 Article
... .M., and Mr Rudduck; J.P., Godfrey Brown Cairns, Rosebud, charged Robert H. Adams, Rosebud, with assault on ... ASSAULT AND THREATENING LANGUAGE. At the Dromana Police Court on Tuesday

1. Government Rd/ Weeroona St. 2. Springs Lane 3. Truemans Rd. (Elizabeth Ave, west boundary of Crispo's grants, was not reserved.) 4. Boneo Rd. 5. Jetty/ Grassland Rd. 6. Parkmore Rd near foreshore between crown allotments 19 and 20 (Wannaeue Village reserve.) 5. No portion of the road heading south from Browns Rd just west of Jetty Rd now exists. 7. Rosebud Pde on the west boundary of the southern part of the golf course.8.Troon Rd on the west boundary of the northern part of the golf course. 9. Gardens/ Hislop/ Wallermerriyong Rd. (Melway 171 B7 to 254 C6.)
10. Purves Rd branching into Greens (s/w) and Baldrys (s/e) Rds.Main Creek Rd. 11. Main Creek Rd veering west as Old Main Creek Rd and McPherson Lane (254 F-J1.) 12. Barkers Rd heading south from Main Creek Rd to Main Creek (254 H1.) 13. Mornington-Flinders Rd south from Higgens Corner.

1. Limestone Rd. The boundary between the parishes of Wannaeue and Fingal. The reason for the name was due to limestone deposits at its western end.
The Tootgarook and Boniyong runs actually straddled the boundary and architect James Purves' sections 1-3, section A Fingal (306 acres) and John Barker's 6 of A and 2 of C were probably pre-emptive rights. Much later residents on Limestone Rd were the Wong Shings.

Development of new estates after W.W.2 encroached on the Wong Market garden near Chinaman's Creek. Nellie Wong married Freddy King and they had a dairy farm in Limestone Rd about half a mile west of the Boneo School. Their son Barry walked behind a horse and was kicked in the head; despite two operations,he died. Dennis Wong married Grace Armstrong and they lived in Limestone Rd near Freddy and Nellie, but recently moved to Wangaratta. Terry Wong married Minnie and George married Hazel. (Joy Booth, nee Cairns.)

2. Browns Rd. The name of this road honours shire councillor, James Little Brown, who in the second decade of the 1900's, transformed rabbit and ti-tree infested hinterland south of Rye into the beautiful pasture we see today.

3.Kinwendy Rd (Melway 170 J-K 11).
4. Hiscock Rd. This was planned to run west from the junction of the road to Cape Schanck and the mountain road (Jetty Rd) to Truemans Rd. Most of the road was never made because of the swamp west of Boneo Rd and it is likely that, despite the council's opposition, the portion now within the Rosebud Country Club property was sold to William Raper (owner of the Wannaeue Estate between Eastbourne Rd and Hiscock Rd, from Jetty Rd to Browns Rd, c/a's 11-8. John Cain at the time had c/a 4, 5 and 6.
(Lands Department, enquiring if council had any objections to the alienation of road between Messrs John Cain and W.Raper, Wannaeue.-T'o be informed that this council.objects to alienation of same.(P.3, Mornington Standard, 2-8-1913.)

5. Waterfall Gully Rd between Jetty and Purves Rds. The waterfall is at Melway 171 D5.
6. Duells Rd, between Jetty Rd and Gardens Rd,on land owned by the Duell family before land to the south became Carribean Gardens caravan and fun park property, now partly the Peninsula Sands Estate.
7. Wilson Rd, 171 G6, between Purves and Main Creek Rds, named after the family including Jim Wilson and Bobby whose head was split open by an axe in 1902 in a quest for honey, but survived.
(P.3, Mornington Standard, 19-4-1902.)
8. Whites Rd between Purves and Main Creek Rds.This is named after the family of Bullocky Bob White who was granted c/a 27A under his former name of Robert James.
9.Eastbourne/Hove Rd, called Ford's Lane in 1902, when Chris Cairns applied to fence off the road till he fenced his selection which was later granted to teacher,J.A.Bayford, because Cr William Ford had previously lived on the Wannaeue Station. (See Hiscock Rd.) It was later called Roper's Lane, the locals obviously too embarrassed to pronounce the name properly.

According to Marie Hansen Fels in I SUCCEEDED ONCE, Tootgarook was well established as a horse stud before James Purves took over the squatting lease a matter of years before the lease was cancelled. It is unlikely that the first occupant Edward Hobson (1838-1843) or George Smith (1843-1850) had any intention of living out their days there so the homestead would have been barely adequate. Smith's name for the homestead was Wooloowoolooboolook, mistakenly taken to be the name of his run. James Purves would have taken over the run on 1-1-1851 and being an architect and very well off, he'd build a grand mansion as the Manifolds and other successful squatters did, wouldn't he? Here's a description from 1877.

On the following day a much larger and more important sale was conducted on the station of J. Purves, Esq., between Dromana and the pretty little village of Rye, and known as Tootgarook; why or how this remarkable title originated we could not ascertain, further than that its origin is native, and, as we believe a clever native lawyer*, and a member of the present Parliament of Victoria was born in the locality, we shall not enquire further. At Tootgarook, which, at this late date in the history of Victoria, is not famous for a very imposing homestead-or indeed in any building that does not require demolishing and rebuilding.......
South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 3 October 1877 p 3 Article
*His son James Liddle Purves was NOT born at Tootgarook!

The station had been run from the first by the architect's brother Peter until his death in 1860 and then by Peter's son James who called the homestead Broomielaw. James Purves, who was described in his obituary as a civil engineer rather than an architect, spent most of his time in Melbourne. He was an absentee landowner who built his mansion Glen Isla, in Richmond; its name is recalled by a Mount Martha street.

PURVES.-On the 12th June, at Richmond, Victoria, James Purves, aged 65.
(P.2, Launceston Examiner, 17-6-1878.)

It was Peter Purves who applied for a licence for the Tootgarook Inn (Leonard St Rye, recently demolished) in 1857 and with James Ford organised the 1859 petition against the fencing of the police paddock (See GEORGE WHITE entry.)

The clearing sale of 1877 was due to Tootgarook Station being leased, so its true pioneers were being turfed off. They were back there by about 1888 when Greenhills on Purves Rd was being established, and two girls who'd stayed home were traumatised when six aborigines came calling for a drink of water.
(Memoirs of A Larrikin.)

The obituaries for James Purves in 1878 give a true picture of his involvement at Tootgarook and elsewhere. His most enduring legacy in the area is the name of Rosebud; he owned the vessel when it was stranded and had it insured with 12 brokers for 700 pounds.

There is extensive detail about the Sullivans in Land Lime and Leisure. They were forced off their lime station when it was taken over with great haste for a quarantine station in 1852. Before they moved from Melbourne about a decade earlier, they were possibly the growers of a giant cucumber which was the sensation of the young settlement for a time and Honora may have escaped by a day or two being imprisoned for an offence against the Masters and Servants Act, this having been amended so that female offenders would no longer be sent to the female prison, which had become a virtual brothel. Dennis and Honora were quite elderly by the time they settled near the Heads, so it was Patrick who led the move west.

He established the heritage-listed Kiln on the site of The Dunes and in 1876 he built the Gracefield Hotel on the grant of his father-in-law, William Grace, a Dromana pioneer of 1857. When Patrick died, his son James took over the hotel and concentrated on supplying firewood for Melbourne's bakers, leaving the kiln under the management of Antonio Albress. James Ford who named Portsea and married one of Patrick's sisters, may have been able to supply the quarantine station with vegetables because of his wife's family's assumed expertise. Vicky Sullivan recently led a push to keep the area's heritage accessible to the public.

(From my great history buddy, Bob Chalmers of Essendon Historical Society.)
William Allison Blair was born in Mearns, Renfrewshire, Scotland, to William Blair and Margaret Allison on 9-9-1821. He married Isabella Ewart (born Durham, England in 1827) in Gorbals (Glasgow) on 6-1-1850. The couple arrived in Australia on the Catherine Glen"in August 1853 together with a James Blair (presumably a 20 year old brother of William Allison. William Allison Blair was shown in the 1841 census as a tailor and in the 1851 census as a hat and cap manufacturer, a trade he took up after arriving in Australia. William Allison Blair and Isabella Ewart had a large family, with 8 children born to them, firstly at Emerald Hill, Fitzroy and Collingwood, but later at Essendon, where Margaret was born in 1859. Three children died in infancy or early childhood. One of his daughters married James Boyd (who served on the Essendon council) and Blair and Boyd were both involved with the mining of lime. Isabella Blair died at Netherlea* (Buckley St, Essendon) in 1894 and William Allison Blair died 27-9-1896 in Maidstone**. There is more about William Allison Blair in "Fine Homes of Essendon and District".
(C.N.Holinshed confused this with John Davies' Ngarveno, just south of the Moonee Valley racecourse.** His farm was on the site of the Medway Golf course.)

Blair's grants between Elizabeth Avenue and Truemans Rd were bought for the lime which was plentiful west of Boneo Rd, especially near the swamp where it was closer to the surface. He also bought much land in the parish of Nepean, south of Rye Township and farther west (often dispossessing other limeburners of their kilns) where his disputes with Charles Gavan Duffy indirectly caused the proclamation of the Village of Sorrento. He also bought 600 acres near the east end of the parish as a speculation in 1875. Affected by the 1890's depression his estate was placed in litigation and his land near Tootgarook was bought by the Tootgarook Land Company whose agent was Hiscock, after whom Hiscock Rd was named. The Woinarskis, of noble birth bought the land and called it Woyna, building the heritage listed homestead at 9-11 Terry St. Blair's untouched lime was quarried in the 1920's to make fertiliser which was carried to the manufacturing plant on the site of the motel by a tram which ran along the east side of Truemans Rd..

Nathan Page was significant because he represents the many who quarried, carted and burnt lime, such as John Buckley, a Balnarring pioneer. There was no family notice when he was overwhelmed by depression, just a par by the Sorrento Correspondent.

(From Our Own Correspondent.)
Nathan Page, over 70 years of age, committed suicide about 3 miles from
Sorrento on Saturday. He was living in a hut belonging to Mr. John Cain,
at his lime kiln, where for 2 or 3 years he had been cook for the men. He left
Mr. Cain's employ at the beginning of the year, and intended to quarry limestone, but had not started. As he was not seen about on Saturday morning,
a butcher named George Ogleby went over to his hut about 2 o'clock to inquire.
On pushing the door open, he saw Page lying in bed covered with blood, and
with a revolver in his left hand. He had discharged the weapon into his mouth, the bullet going through his head, striking the ceiling and rebounding as it was found lying on his breast. A son of Olgeby was talking to Page about 9 o'clock in the morning. He was then in bed smoking a pipe. The body has been conveyed to Sorrento, where it awaits an enquiry He was a very old resident of the district, and leaves a widow and grown up family living in Melbourne.
(P.3, Mornington Standard, 23-2-1899.)

Although there is some good information about this Irish family, associated with Sorrento and Rye (but not Rosebud or Red Hill), the biography at the end of Land Lime and Leisure suddenly became the biography of the family of Edward Williams of Eastbourne (after the mention of George's purchase. of Edward Williams' old butcher shop on the corner of GEORGE St).
Perhaps Rose Violet​ could supply some details in comments which I will copy to here. The following comes from my journal written in 2012.

Page 54. The produce of the White brothers' kiln (and others) may have gone up Canterbury Road.
Page 56. On the west end of a lime kilns map, No 13 is labelled B.Willard, later G.White and G.Sutton. It is located near the intersection of Mission St and Haven Ave (Melway 157 D12.)
Page 57. Rye area of the map. 2 and 2a are labelled White brothers. The first is on the east side of Canterbury St about a fifth of the way from Melbourne Rd to the beach, probably near the bend in Anelida St. The second was probably near the west side of the R.J.Rowley reserve and the reason that W.A.Blair purchased that area.
Page 60. An oldtimer's map of the township shows land owned at the east corner of Pt Nepean Rd and Dundas St labelled G.White. Details of this purchase from the Rye Township map will be given later.
Page 65. George and Robert White were limeburners.
Page 70. No reference; indexing error.
Page 157-8. (The last paragraph of 157 and page 158, apart from the reference to George White buying Edward Williams' old butcher shop, is entirely about Edward Williams.)
Billis and Kenyon name George and Robert White as pastoral pioneers in 1843-1850 and 1843 respectively. There may have been four White brothers, one of them Richard White. Captain Ferguson referred to George and Robert White in his report on the resumption of land near the heads for a quarantine station (in 1852.) Robert had paid a (lime) licence fee of twelve pounds in that year.
Richard White, limeburner, married Eliza Taylor. They had two sons who left the district and six daughters including Georgiana, born 1861, who married Mr Meaden, father of Mrs Creswell who supplied this information.
(Richard has been found in early rate records but either died or also left the district soon after. The genealogy, to come, will determine which is correct.)
Richard's children were scared by Maoris so it is possible that Richard was living/working near the Rowley Reserve where a White brothers' kiln is shown as 2a on the page 57 map. As well as fishing the Maoris had a farm near the oval, which is recalled by Maori St.
Edward (i.e.Williams) sold his partly demolished butcher shop on the north corner of Hotham Rd and George St, an area known as Butchers' Hill, to George White.

RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL, Patricia Appleford.
Page 50-51. Arthur Dark, born 11-4-1924, worked for E.G.White of Sorrento who operated a daily service to Melbourne before the start of world war 2. As Arthur referred to himself as a "jockey" I presume the "service" involved carriage of goods. Arthur's workmates, in that job, were Len Hill, Percy Watson, Parley Blackwell, Alby Morgan and Jack White .
Page 139. Map showing White brothers' kilns 2 and 2a as in LIME LAND LEISURE.

I recalled a chapter in Peter's book relating details of a Government plan in 1859 to build a fence from White Cliff to the back beach in order to enclose the police paddock between Rye and the Quarantine Station, and a petition opposing this plan. My notes on this chapter were not extensive but a trip to the library was very worthwhile.
As directories of the Rye/Heads area were non-existent at this time, I will record all of the signatories. As a report, mentioned later, states that there were only two landowners, [Peter Purves and James Ford), it can be assumed that all of the signatories (with the exception of Kenna and one other, whom I did not note,who were Melbourne residents) were limeburners, as stated in the report.

At this time, there was no township of Rye, and according to LIME LAND LEISURE, the Rye Hotel was in Dromana! When the Township was declared in 1861, it was called Tootgarook, probably because it had been part of the Tootgarook run. John Campbell apparently had built a jetty in 1860 and this probably prompted lime burners to erect houses near the pier so they would be close to home when they brought the day's production for shipping. One house, occupied by John Berry, and later by the Sullivans when they moved from the Heads in 1852, is said to have been the first house in the township area. In 1869, almost all of the suburban blocks south of the cemeteryand west of Dundas St were bought by limeburners ( more truly lime merchants such as W.A Blair. It has not been definitely established whether Thomas Monahan was connected with the lime industry or just a land speculator.)
James Purves bought his square mile pre-emptive right between about Keith St and Government/Weeroona Rds on 22-10-1855. Ford's land was mainly near Portsea. The Wannbaeue parish map does not indicate when the Fords acquired Wannaeue Station bounded by Eastbourne Rd, Boneo Rd, Browns Rd and Jetty, Old Cape Schank Rd. O'Shannassy reported that Purves and Ford were the only landowners.

Many of the limeburners would have been illiterate. Their names would have been printed (by Peter Purves or James Sandle Ford) and followed by "their mark", usually a cross (X). The names on the petition opposing construction of the fence were: James Ford, Peter Purves, Robert Rainey, James Patterson, George Mitchell, Robert Quinan, George White, Robert White, Richard White, Jeremiah White , James Swan,
Arthur Robinson MATCD (presumably the other Melbourne resident), Alfred Evans, Nathan Page, John Dillon, Edward Russell, Patrick Sullivan, Edward M.Williams, Richard White, George White!, Isaac Prout, Owen Cain, Mrs John Devine, Ben Stennigan (Stenniken), Timothy Sullivan, Thomas Clancy, George Baker, Charles Dean, Mrs Edward Skelton, Samuel Clark, Samuel Williams, Richard Kenna (Melbourne resident!)

Snr Constable O'Shannassy was asked to ascertain why the settlers and limeburners had signed the petition. He found that Clark, Williams, Nathan Page, Mrs Skelton and Jeremiah White had not signed and weren't even asked to sign. George White senior and Robert Quinan, both limeburners, had signed, not wanting to offend their old neighbours,even though they actually wanted the fence. Thomas White and 15 other limeburners wanted the fence to prevent Ford and Purves overgrazing the area with their combined 800 head of cattle. They complained that their own bullocks (obviously used for ploughing and hauling lime)were dying from starvation.
Robert, George and Richard White, Ford, Purves, Cain, Stennigan (sic), and Patrick and Timothy Sullivan feared that their cattle would be turned out of the area.

Comment by Rose Violet.
I can tell you that Richard White ( son of Limeburner George White Snr ) died in 1881 at Eastern Hill. Jeremiah White ( another son ) died at Flinders in 1881 & is buried in the same grave as his sister Jane & husband Charles Graves at Flinders Cemetery. Robert ( my 3x G Grandfather) died in Fitzroy in 1882. He was a lime salesman when he died. George White Jnr dies at Pt Nepean in 1895. Sadly George White Snr ( my 4x g grandfather ) went bankrupt & died in the Melbourne Benovelant Society in 1865 ... Far away from the Peninsula he loved so much.

Near Truemans Rd.
I believe this should be Benjamin Stenniken whose wife Mary Anne was the older sister of Samuel Sherlock. Ben whose name was variously recorded on the Nepean parish map as Ben Stenigain and B.Stenniker bought c/a 6 and 5 Nepean in 1860 and 1864; this land ran west from Dundas St roughly to Pasadena Rd.

Ben supplied the limestone to build the hall/school on the Church of England grant in Lyon St. It became unsafe for use as a school, so after a time in rented premises in John Campbell's hotel, the pupils moved into a school built on the present site. The old building was then rebuilt as a church reusing Ben's limestone with the addition of limestone supplied by James Trueman, Ben's neighbour on Truemans Rd. (Read the fantastic information boards outside the church and school. N.B. John Campbell built the first Rye Pier in 1867, not 1860.) It is unknown whether Ben Stenniken's limestone came from his Truemans Rd or Melbourne Rd land but as Trueman's grant had lime deposits it could have been either or both.

Ben's daughter, Maria, married Godffrey Burdett Wilson, son of Henry William Wilson and Thamer (nee Burdett) which explains the naming of Burdett St on c/a 48 Wannaeue. The Stenniken family also had marital connections in Fingal (Patterson,Kennedy, Harry Prince) and Rosebud (Clemenger of Parkmore) and gravitated to Dromana and Port Melbourne but Ben Stenniken, with James Sullivan, was at the forefront of establishing the supply of ti tree logs for the ovens of Melbourne's bakers.

James Trueman, grantee of crown 47 on the west side guessed it, Truemans Rd, was born in Chute, Wiltshire on 18-6-1822. In 1841 he was described as an agricultural labourer and in 1851, he was a resident of Maddington, Wiltshire. James married Jane Cook (born in July 1827) on 6-6-1850 in Collingbourne Ducis, Wiltshire and they emigrated from Southhampton aboard "Sabrina" on 24-1-1857, arriving at Hobsons Bay on 13-4-1857.

(It has been claimed that James Trueman built and operated the tap room on Tootgarook Station. He may have run the Tootgarook Hotel for Peter Purves (pronounced Purvis) but if he built it, he was pretty blooming quick.

*Peter Purvis**, Tootgarook, Tootgarook Hotel.Granted.(P.5, Argus, 22-4-1857.) **Peter Purves d. 1860. )


Robert's genealogical details and early life is described in Land Lime and Leisure but there is a glaring lack of detail about his wife, Christina Edwards.She was from Longford in Tasmania.

Robert's father was in the Militia in Sydney but was transferred to Van Dieman's Land, eventually securing a grant. While fishing under the influence, his father fell out of a boat and drowned. Robert's mother married Richard Kenyon and they went to the Heads to burn lime, probably for John Pascoe Fawkner whom they knew from the apple isle.

Robert didn't go with them, and was working as a policeman on the "southern isle" if my memory serves me correctly. He visited his mother in 1839 and a year or so later he contacted Henry Cadby Wells, best known as a Frankston pioneer, who on his arrival,went to the Sorrento area, to join him in a lime burning venture, Wells' pregnant wife giving birth to the area's first white child soon after.

The venture was affected by the 1843 depression so Robert probably returned to Tasmania and Wells resumed his bootmaking trade. In 1849, the two mates tried crayfishing in Wells' boat with great success and Wells built Clark's Cottage at Sorrento according to THE WELLS STORY (a belief shared by Jennifer Nixon despite claims that George Baker built it.) Unfortunately the boat came down on its anchor in Westernport and was holed. Robert probably returned to Tassie again and married Christine there (late 1859 if I remember correctly ; I can't re-find the marriage notice on trove.)
ROWLEY-EDWARDS - By the Rev. J Smithies, at the house of Mr Joseph Tongs*, Illawarra**, Christina Edwards, the only daughter of Mr William Edwards, of Newborough, Fife, Scotland, to Mr Robert Rowley, of Dromana, Victoria.
(P.5,Launceston Examiner,22-1-1861.)
* The Tongs family appears to have been associated with Longford, in whose police court John Tongs, known to own 100 acres on the Cressy Estate by 1865, was fined five shillings in 1861 for not registering his dog. S.Tongs did jury service in 1862. (P.5,The Cornwall Chronicle, 3-5-1862, SUPREME COURT.)
**IIlawarra was in Gippsland.

Soon after their marriage, the couple moved to Dromana and Robert worked for Peter Pidoto who provided accommodation in a hut near the present east corner of Carrigg St.They were obviously still at Dromana in 1866 when Mary Christina was born.
Mary Christina Rowley
Born in Dromana, Victoria, Australia on 1866 to Robert Rowley and Christina Edwards.

Soon afterwards, Robert probably built the house on the foreshore opposite the original post office site and turned to fishing. He bought lots 46 and 46A in the early to mid 1880's after having probably selected them years earlier. His homestead was near Carboor St (Melway 169 D9.)

Robert loved to tell others about the old days and James Little Brown was all ears, remembering this one years after he'd stayed with Robert when he first came to Rye.
by itellya on 2013-08-09 10:45:18
In case you thought there was not that much of a connection between James Little Brown and Robert Rowley senior, this little story about how Dandenong got its name must surely paint a picture of the two chatting about the old days by the fireside.

Sir,In the interesting article, "The Gippsland Mystery," on Saturday, by Ernest McCaughan, it is stated that a party of five whites and ten blacks were sent out under the leaderhip of De Villiers, an ex-police officer who kept the extraordinary named No Good Damper Inn.

Apropos of this, a story was related to me by the late Robert Rowley, then of Rye (a very old colonist who had known Buckley, the wild white man). The story, which may be of interest, is that about the year 1840 lime was being burnt about Sorrento and Rye. A layer of sheoak logs was laid on the ground, then a layer of limestone. Another layer of logs, then again stone, and so on, until there was a considerable stack. Fire was next applied. By this rough and ready, though wasteful,system, lime used in the building of early Melbourne was then burned. The lime was then "slacked", afterwards sieved through a fine sieve, and forwarded to Melbourne by ketch. One of these old wind-jammers had the misfortune to go aground near the site of Frankston. The lime was taken off undamaged, stacked, and carefully covered a little way from the shore.

A number of blacks were in the vicinity. They had had some little experience of the white fellow's flour. When they found the lime, sieved and done up in small bags under a tarpaulin, they were sure they had got the genuine article in plenty. So they mustered in force, took away all they possibly could, and, fearing pursuit, did not stop running till they put about 12 miles between them and the stack of lime. The blacks then mixed their flour with water upon their 'possum rugs and put the dough in the ashes to bake, the result being spoiled rugs and bad damper. In the words of Mr. Rowley, "they called that place Dandenong," which means "no good damper. Yours, &c., J. L. BROWN
Sandringham, Sept. 8. (P.4, Argus, 9-9-1924.)

As well as serving the community in many roles, Robert and his descendants have contributed to the recorded history of Rye through the information they provided in interviews conducted by newspapers.

Edward Russell was granted c/a 38A of 103 acres west of the present, but not for long, Truemans Rd tip site, on 3-11-1880 but had been in the area since the early 1850's. An old shipmate of John Watts and Tom Bennett, at the age of 17 he walked for two days from Melbourne to work for James Purves Snr (read as Peter Purves, his brother) at Tootgarook, later working for the Sullivans and driving bullocks to the goldfields for the Skeltons. At some unspecified time, he and Tom Bennett occupied a dwelling between the cemetery site and Napier St in Rye. Edward built a lime kiln near the north west corner of Melway 168 D9, but when William Allison Blair dispossessed him of the kiln by buying c/a 19 Nepean on 19-6-1867 (not 1866), Edward bought* 104 acres nearby..(*He SELECTED the 103 acre crown allotment 38A Wannaeue which could hardly be described as being NEARBY to Dundas St and didn't BUY it until 1880!)

Edward married Mary Stuart (sic?), a nurse at the Quarantine Station, whom he met when receiving medical treatment.

The above, apart from my sarcasm in brackets, comes from page 147 and maps in LAND LIME AND LEISURE.

Mary Russell who married John Cairns , Johanna who married rabbit inspector,James Thompson Cairns, Elizabeth who married Black Camp Davey Cairns, and Margaret who married Chris Cairns, were all presumably daughters of Edward and Mary. (The Cairns Fanily of Boneo.)

I don't think any record of Edward's marriage is going to be found any time soon and even family tree circle's mighty tonkin did not know his wife's maiden name, but his journal CAIRNS James married Johanna RUSSELL 1885 indicates that Edward became a very young father if he arrived at the age of 17 because Johanna's birth was registered at Pt Nepean in 1855 (there being no townships, thus registrars, at the time except at the quarantine station.)

It seems that the nurse's name was Mary SEATON, not Stuart. This is from another journal by tonkin about Chris Cairns and Margaret Russell.
Birth note.
Margaret was born 1869 in Tootgarook, Victoria.
Parents named as Edward RUSSELL and Mary SEATON.

Mary who married John Cairns was born in 1859. Thanks tonkin!
Birth note.
Mary was born 1859 White Cliffs, Victoria.
Parents named as Edward RUSSELL and Mary LEATON.
LEATON is an error and should be SEATON.

Did Edward and Mary finally crack it for a son? Possibly. Andrew?
On 15-3-1880, Edward was probably granted c/a 4, section C, Fingal, the grantee's name being written as E.Russell. Consisting of 79 a. 3 r. 27 p. and located at 253 J-K 6, it was assessed in 1919 as assessment number 363:
Mary Russell Estate (c/o A.Russell, Sorrento), 80 acres c/a 4 section C, Fingal.

A trove search for RUSSELL SORRENTO FAMILY NOTICES revealed that my guess was right and that Edward and Mary actually had two sons. Edward was the grantee of c/a 4, section C, Fingal, and was about 20 when he arrived, not 17.

RUSSELL.— On the 10th May, at his residence,"Boneo," Edward dearly loved husband of Mary Russell; dearly loved father of Mrs. D. Cairns,Flinders; Mrs. J. T. Cairns, Mrs. J. Cairns, Mrs.C. Cairns, Boneo; Alexander Russell, Sorrento; and Archibald Russell, Tooradin, aged 84 years. A colonist of 64 years.
(P.5, The Age, 14-5-1910.)

Edward's relationship with Sidney Smith Crispo remains one of my unsolved mysteries. It seems that Edward was Amicus.
Small space I crave from you kind air,
A dead friend's worth to sing ;
Small tribute to his kindly deeds,
A kindly requiem.
God bless thee, Crispo, in thy bed,
With ti-tree blossoms strewn;
God rest the weary heart and head,
For me, all gone too soon.
What though thy brain with fancy teemed,
Fostered and led by fools;
What though thy airy castles gleamed,
Fashioned by dreamland's tools.
Beneath the haze of fancy's dreams,
A kindly heart and true;
An honest hand and steadfast will,
To fight life's battle through.
Take then thy well-earned rest, old friend,
Short space of time, and we
May meet thee on that brighter shore,
Au revoir S. S. C.
" AMICUS." (P.3, Mornington Standard, 19-10-1899.)

Edward came from Sydney in 1855 aboard a survey ship and I earlier thought that their friendship had developed on that ship but Crispo had joined the Survey in 1860.
"by gpearce on 2013-09-21 01:09:23
On the 3rd of May 1860, Sir Henry Barkly, the Governor of Victoria recommended to the Legislative Assembly that the Government enter into an agreement with the Imperial Government for the Marine Survey of the Victorian Coast, under the direction of the British Admiralty, and for the colony to share in half of the cost of the survey. The resolution was agreed to on the 11th of May 1860, and the Admiralty appointed Commander Henry Cox R.N., to take charge of the Victorian survey.

The widely travelled and highly experienced Commander Cox had immediately recognised there would be problems in trying to utilize local manpower and could ill afford the time required to train them for his requirements, so he opted to bring his assistants with him. The survey was originally estimated to take approximately 6 years to complete (it actually took 20 years)and therefore many of the team members elected to bring their families with them. The commander brought his wife and two daughters as well as his brother in-law, Sydney Crispo, who was a petty officer in the Royal Navy.

The survey team embarked in the ship Owen Glendower at Plymouth on the 10th of September 1860 and arrived safely in Melbourne three months later in December 1860. Right from the very start the survey was plagued with a number of problems, which forced a number of delays in the prosecution of the survey....

Probably in an effort to contain the deepening rift that was occurring between Cox and the Victorian Government, an order in council was issued by the Admiralty which forced the early retirement of the commander in May 1866.

In July 1866 Cox returned to England with his family, but most of the other team members elected to stay on and continue with the survey under the guidance of Commander Wilkinson R.N., who was Cox's replacement. Sydney Crispo, remained with the Victorian Coastal Survey team until it reached conclusion in 1879, under the command of Staff Commander Henry Stanley R.N. Sydney Crispo (spelt with a "y" in the 1860 Owen Glendower passenger list) not known to have ever returned to his native England and died a bachelor at Rosebud West, Victoria in 1899 at the age of 71 years." (Comment in my Crispo journal.)

However it is possible that Crispo had been stationed in Australia in the 1850's and met Edward in Sydney or Melbourne, and had anonymously written IMAGINARY HISTORY OF THE NEXT THIRTY YEARS (a copy of which is held at Flinders University but without mention of the author), on his return to England. Three things make me believe that Crispo was the author are the use of curious to describe the work, a fixation on Canada, where his father had been stationed for some time, and lastly this excerpt:"The social state of the country,however, was so unbearable, that it was obvious recourse must be had to some extraordinary measure,and the urban, commercial, and mining interests,being by far the most populous, were all for establishing a great Australian Republic — merging the several colonies into one, and all being represented in one Congress."
(Many articles in 1857 under the headline PRINCE ARTHUR KING OF AUSTRALIA. Excerpt from article in The Age.)

Mr Crispo mentioned before singing his political song,'" Amalgamate the Colonies," that he had written to the president of the Premier's meeting upon unification of the colonies, and the. Federal Capital* as held by him, and backed up by the London Times. (ROSEBUD.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 2 February 1899 p 2 Article)
Sydney's catchphrase was Amalgamate Don't Federate and that was exactly what the mysterious author had written over 40 years earlier.

Edward Williams most likely was in the crew that rowed the Survey ship's boat ashore when the captain was invited to Arthurs Seat by the Burrells. He would have received hospitality in the servants quarters or detached kitchen, which was often the case for safety reasons. One of the servants was Mary Campbell who travelled to Australia with Robert and Mary Cairns in 1852, probably acting as a nanny but with Robert her official guardian. Edward and Mary later married.

Edward obviously quit the Survey ship when his term expired. Known as Ned, he built up a nest egg in various ways. "One harvester of Renown was Ned Williams, well over six feet in height and well-built. He could scythe an acre of crop per day, quite a feat in the days of hand harvesting." ( P. 96, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, photo on p.160.) He was supposed to have cut the first road around Anthony's Nose and later cut the channel at Chinamans Creek to drain the swamp.

In 1863-4, Crispo received grants for c/a's 36 and 38, Nepean between Canterbury Jetty Rd and St Johns Rd. Crispo had big plans for this land but was aboard the Survey ship most of the time so the claim* that Edward Williams looked after the property for him is plausible. (Possibly hidden in the WHITE genealogy in LAND, LIME,AND LEISURE.)

As you walk into the Rye Cemetery, just before the hill starts, on your left are the Kennedy/ Patterson/Stenniken graves and then Carrie Williams' grave separating the graves of James Campbell Williams and Ted Williams (unmarked) to prevent them arguing in the hereafter. Is it just coincidence that Sydney Smith's gravestone,is erected by his sister and friends, is directly across the path from Carrie's. I don't think so because Crispo died at Edward Williams' home, friends to the end.

CRISPO.—On the 13th October, at the residence of Mr. Edward Williams, Eastbourne, Rye, Sidney Smith Crispo, late secretary and paymaster, Admiralty Survey, Victoria, aged 71. Buried at Rosebud* Cemetery.
(P.1, The Argus, 18-10-1899.)
*A cemetery was gazetted at 170 H3 but never seems to have been used, both references to it being wrong. Just as well because playing tennis on graves doesn't seem very respectful.

By 1871, Crispo had received the grants for Crown allotments 52 and 44 Wannaeue, 282 acres, which he called Eastbourne. This was between the eastern boundary of today's Village Glen and Elizabeth Avenue from Eastbourne Rd (probably known as Ford's Lane) and Hiscock Rd (which was supposed to run through the swamp from Truemans Rd to Jetty Rd.)

From 1875, Edward Williams received the grants for 256 acres, 27B, 39B and 27A Wannaeue, separated from Eastbourne by Lovie' grants, and straddling Browns Rd just east of Truemans Rd. He set his sons up in a butchers shop on the corner of Hotham Rd and George St but they didn't much care for the trade and the shop was sold to George White AND THIS IS HOW CHARLES HOLLINSHED ACCIDENTALLY WROTE EDWARD WILLIAMS' BIOGRAPHY IN THE WHITE ENTRY!

In 1893, Crispo was assessed on 113 acres, reduced to 68 acres 3 roods and 13 perches, part 52 by 1898, and then obviously sold to Edward Williams before the 1899 assessment. James Campbell Williams was assessed on 170 acres of Eastbourne by 1893 as was the case till 1899. In 1893, Edward Williams was the occupant of 1510 acres including his grants, reduced to 1260 acres in 1894 and then his name disappeared from the rates. By 1900 he was rated on 69 acres (Crispo's in 1898), 170 acres (Jimmy the Squid's in 1899) and his grant, 27A. He only had about 240 acres of Eastbourne because Alex Crichton of Glenlee had added about 40 acres to Lovie's grant, the area west of Colchester Rd. Edward retained c/a 27A but Edward Connop was farming 27B and 39B.

In 1910 the rate collector really messed things up, assessing John and Marion Edwards (sic) of Eastbourne, Dromana on c/a 39 (39B) of 93 acres-and 122 acres 27B, 29A (132 acres 27B.) The effort in 1919 was almost accurate however with James Woonton (who maintained Browns Rd according to Ray Cairns) assessed on 152 acres and buildings c/a 27AB, leased from Edward Williams and MARION EDMONDS on 94 acres and buildings c/a 39A (39B.) Edward Williams had 190 acres of Eastbourne and James Campbell Williams had c/a 7 fronting Boneo Rd between Eastbourne Primary School and the line of Hiscock Rd.

WILLIAMS.—On April 29, at Dromana Community Hospital, Caroline,of Eastbourne, Rosebud West, eldest daughter of the late Edward and Mary Williams, sister of Edward (deceased). James (deceased). Ellen (Mrs. Connop, deceased), Marion (Mrs. Edmonds, deceased), aged 90 years.
(P.15, Argus, 30-4-1949.)

at Lyndhurst?
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 21 May 1870 p 11 Article
... off in Lovie's paddock, where a ... 75 words

This was an action to recover damages for malicious prosecution.Mr. Purves for tbe plaintiff, Mr. Higinbotbam and Mr. Spensley for defendant.

Plaintiff James Ford is a farmer near Point Nepean, and the defendant is a contractor in the same neighbourhood. In September last Lovie was summoned to the Dromana Police Court for injuring a road in the charge of the Kangerong Road Board by digging and so deepening a watercourse that crossed the road.

Mr. Ford was accidentally in court during the hearing of the case, and he was called bv the clerk of the road board as a witness. He said that he was well acquainted with the road for 15 years.Latterly the watercourse appeared to be
deeper. It had been dug, and the clay was thrown on the bank. Mr. Lovie was fined by the Bench on the charge preferred against him, and he shortly afterwards applied for summonses against all the witnesses against him for perjury. The clerk of the court and the justice endeavoured to dissuade him from
taking out summonses, as there was no reason to suspect perjury ; but he insisted, and a summons was issued against Mr. Ford and another witness.The case was heard at the Dromana Police Court, and was dismissed, the justices adding that Mr. Ford left the court without a stain on his character.

This action was then commenced against Lovie.The defence was that there was reasonable and probable cause for the prosecution, and a number of witnesses were examined for the defence to show that the creek had not been dug where it crossed the road. Lovie and one of his men admitted, however, that the bed
of the creek had been deepened up to the road and below the road, but they denied that the road was touched by them.
The jury returned a verdict for plaintiff, damages £100. (P.6, Argus, 6-3-1871.)

At Twelve O'clock. At Knipe's Exchange,12 Collins-street West
Without Reserve
By Order of P. J Wilson, Esq. , Mortgagee.
638 Acres LAND,
Described on Government Plan as Black Alluvial Soil, Permanent Water, also Containing Inexhaustible Limestone Quarries.
Near Township of Rye, Sorrento. Title-Crown Grant.
J.H. KNIPE is authorised to SELL by AUCTION, as above,
Freehold Property, Being Allotments 41,42,43, and part of 40*. Section A, on Government plan of the parish of Wannaeue, county of Mornington, containing about 638 acres.

The Improvements consist of a good substantial fence enclosing each block of land separately.
A comfortable homestead, and about 80 acres ploughed, ready for cropping.
The property is well known as John Lovie's Estate.
Title open for inspection etc. (P.2, Argus, 19-7-1876.)

I found references to John Lovie at Frankston, Fitzroy, Collingwood, Ballarat and in the Mordialloc Hunt letter at the start of this entry and I believe there is a link between all of them. There may also be a link with John Francis Taylor Lovie, an early 1900's pioneer of French Island, who established "Bonnie Doon".

One of the Lovie brothers named below was probably the father of J.F.T. Lovie and I guess that Taylor was the maiden name of his mother, or maybe, grandmother.
LOVIE.— On the 4th December, at Marong, Robert,the beloved uncle of Walter* Lovie. of Canning-street, Carlton, brother of the late John Lovie, of Keele-Street. Collingwood, also of the late Detective** Lovie, aged 65. Interred at Marong on the 5th December. (P.1, The Age, 6-12-1898.)

* If you want to turn a boy into a Wally all you have to do is name him Walter or Wallace! Notice that John's first baby registered at Tootgarook was Frank-short for Francis, the second given name of J.F.T. Lovie, whose son was named William Wallace Lovie.
View service records and place a tribute for William Wallace ...

*Before I discovered the relationship between the Wannaeue pioneer and the detective, I had a silent chuckle when I read that the detective had arrested a man named Ford and thought of the Ford v Lovie trial that cost John 100 quid.

There is no doubt that Susan Aumont married our Wannaeue pioneer. Notice that the first birth registered at Tootgarook (Rye) was in 1870. John received the grant for crown allotment 40B, section A, Wannaeue on 3-3-1869. He bought the other 638 acres on 24-8-1875. Lovie's Estate at Wannaeue was sold in 1876 and there are no prizes for guessing where he went- back to Collingwood, his other farm apparently having been sold too.

The death of little Mary in Frankston in 1867? Her father probably selected land there in 1867. On 10-6-1872, J. Lovie had been granted crown allotments 43-47, no section, parish of Frankston, a triangular 420 acres and 37 perches bounded by Wells Rd, Seaford Rd and Frankston-Dandenong Rd, the centre of which is indicated by Melway 99 H7.
(Google FRANKSTON, COUNTY OF MORNINGTON to get the parish map.

Why did I think the Lovie paddock was in the parish of Lyndhurst. The parish of Frankston ended at Seaford Rd-except that on Long Island it adjoined James McMahon's grant in the parish of Lyndhurst on which he built the Half-way House. On the same site today stands the Riviera Hotel.

LOVIE-AUMONT.-On the 29th ult., at St. Mark's Church, Collingwood, by the Rev. Mr. Barlow, Mr. John Lovie, of Aberdeen, Scotland, to Susan Mary, eldest daughter of Mr Louis Aumont, late of Jersey.(P.4, Argus, 1-8-1862.)

John Lovie + Susan Mary Aumont - PhpGedView

John Lovie + Susan Mary Aumont
Children (13 children)

Walter John Lovie (I2396)
Birth 1863 -- Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
Death 1930 (Age 67) Age: 67 -- Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia

James Lovie (I2402)
Birth 1865 -- Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Death 1865 Age: 1 month -- Ballarat, Victoria, Australia

Christine Ellen Lovie (I2403)
Birth 1866 -- Ballarat, Victoria, Australia

Mary Lovie (I2404)
Birth 1867 -- Snapper Point, Victoria, Australia
Death 1867 Age: 1 day -- Frankston, Victoria, Australia

Alice Jessie Lovie (I2405)
Birth 1868 -- Snapper Point, Victoria, Australia

Frank Lovie (I2406)
Birth 1870 -- Tootgarook, Victoria, Australia
Death 1870 Age: 1 month -- Tootgarook, Victoria, Australia

William Lovie (I2407)
Birth 1872 -- Tootgarook, Victoria, Australia

Adela Lovie (I2408)
Birth 1875 -- Tootgarook, Victoria, Australia

Robert Lovie (I2409)
Birth 1877 -- Collingwood, Victoria, Australia

Emily Matilda Lovie (I2410)
Birth 1879 -- Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
Death 1880 (Age 12 months) Age: 18 months -- Collingwood, Victoria, Australia

Florence Rosalie Lovie (I2411)
Birth 1881 -- Collingwood, Victoria, Australia

Louise Aumont Lovie (I2412)
Birth 1884 -- Collingwood, Victoria, Australia

Bertha Evelyn Lovie (I2413)
Birth 1887 -- Collingwood, Victoria, Australia

It appears that John Lovie had sold 40B of 30 acres 3 roods 37 perches for which he had obtained the grant on 9-4-1869 before the 1875 assessment, in which he paid rates on 638 acres and a two roomed house with a net annual value of 30 pounds. There was an illegible note in the remarks column.

In 1876 there was no Lovie assessment so the west riding was searched almost to the end where I found at assessment 410:
Rolls, no given name, occupation illegible, 638 acres and buildings and a note that one pound ten shillings (of owed rates probably) had been written off on 10-2-1877.

The 1877 rates gave the new occupants' initials as J.T. or J.L., described him as a mariner, and as the owner,with the same property size and net annual value.

My conclusion is that Rolls had bought the property from John's mortgagee on 24-7-1876, a month or so before the rates were levied, but the rate collector was aware that a forced sale of the property was on the cards and had not written a Lovie assessment. Because ratepayers had to be listed alphabetically, rate collectors copied the previous year's assessment well before the September meeting and then crossed out the occupant's name, replacing it with that of his successor if there was a change. It was not done in this case but not much detail was available about the new owner.

I didn't bother going back past 1872 because the rate collector obviously had no idea what property John Lovie had and most likely things weren't going to improve. In 1874 there was no description of the property but a net annual value of 30 pounds had somehow been established. This value continued from 1872 till 1877 and rose to 50 pounds in 1878, Alexander having Crichton purchased 638 acres from John Thomas Rolls 2. The 1873 record stated that John Lovie had a two roomed house and in the faintest possible writing 660. In 1872 there was no description of the property. With such poor description of a rated property, I might as well just guess what was going on, and confirm it tomorrow if I remember. On 9-4-1869, John Lovie was granted 40B Wannaeue of 30 acres. If he had this property in 1868, it would mean he had selected the land,; if not, he'd bought it at auction. He was granted the other 638 acres on 24-8-1875, probably having selected these allotments some years earlier, perhaps in 1872. This would explain why the rate collector wasn't aware how much land he had in 1872. The rate collector was aware in 1873 that John had 40B of 30 acres and possibly misread the other 638 acres as 630 acres. In 1872, the rate collector may have known that Lovie was also leasing land from the crown but lacked any details about it. By 1874. the rate collector may have heard that Lovie had sold some land.
1871.No assessment nos. J.Lovie, 30 acres and 2 roomed house, Wannaeue, N.A.V. 10 pounds.
1870. No ass. nos. J.Lovie, 138 acres, 2 roomed house, Wannaeue, N.A.V. 10 pounds.
1869. 116. J.Lovie (owned by him) 138 acres and hut, Wannaeue, N.A.V.10 pounds.
1864-8. No Lovie assessment.

The above is crazy because the addition of a room to the house should have increased the N.A.V. by about 2 pounds and you'd expect some decrease in the N.A.V. when his land went from 138 acres to 30 acres. John did not OWN 138 acres in 1869 and 1870; until the grant for the 638 acres was issued on 21-8-1875, he could have only owned the 30 acres, 40B, for which the grant was issued on 9-4-1869. The 138 acres on which he was rated does not equate to the 30 acres plus any other of the allotments, nor any other single allotment or combination thereof.

The rate collector was as helpful as an udder on a bull (to make the old saying more G rated)so I gambled on a trove search for 40B Wannaeue search in the 1870's (after 30 acres Wannaeue didn't work) and found:

TRANSFER of LAND STATUTE.-Notice Is hereby given, that pursuant to the direction of the Commissioner of Titles in this behalf, it Is Intended, at the expiration of fourteen days from the insertion of this advertisement in the Melbourne "Argus" newspaper, to issue to JAMES BONHAM, of Catherine street, Richmond, contractor, a special certificate of title to the land described below, the duplicate certificate having, as is alleged, been lost;-

Crown Allotment 40B, Section A, parish of Wannacue, county of Mornington.
HENRY KRONE,Assistant Registrar of Titles. William Spark Woolcott, 39 Queen-Street, Melbourne.
(P.8, Argus, 17-5-1876.)
...and then this, which probably gives the date and memorial for John Lovie's sale of his first grant in Wannaeue.

LOST, CERTIFICATE of TITLE to James Bonham, Vol. 884, fol. 166,680, dated February 15, 1876. Reward on returning same to W. S. Woolcott, solicitor,30 Queen Street, Melbourne. (P.1, Argus, 28-3-1876.)

N.B. See FORD entry.

I call Sydney Smith Crispo, the Peninsula's Don Quixote, because of that great song from THE MAN OF LA MANCHA, "To Dream the Impossible Dream". Edward Williams seems to have been his closest friend in the area and I believe he penned the verse included in the WILLIAMS entry that contains the following lines expressing much the same idea:
What though thy brain with fancy teemed,
Fostered and led by fools;
What though thy airy castles gleamed,
Fashioned by dreamland's tools.

Much detail about Sydney and "Eastbourne" is included in the WILLIAMS entry.
Evidence of his interest in politics, and solving problems, is given in his own words in my journal:

How many amateur performers at concerts at Rosebud, Sorrento etc. could perform a one-man-show lasting two hours and keep the audience in rapture? How many residents of the Peninsula would have had the audacity to invite the Governor (Lord Brassey) to visit? (The Governor did visit but couldn't find Rye, although he thought Dr John Blair's "Blairgowrie" might be the town hall!) Only our Don Quixote could have suggested that the colonies be amalgamated, not federated, to form a nation, which would have prevented costly and wasteful Federal/State duplication. Who else would suggest that Australia's capital city should be at Rosebud West (Eastbourne renamed as Federanium. He was a character, for sure!

There is much Crispo genealogical information, including the family's proud naval tradition,in my DRAMA* ON TROVE (*Dromana, Rosebud and Miles Around) which will be provided on request. This extract is my poem about Sydney.
S.S.C. by itellya.
Amalgamate, don't federate
For the making of a nation
To prevent wasteful State
And Federal duplication.

As for the site of the capital,
We need a place that's central.
The Monaro is a place forlorn;
The ideal place is my "Eastbourne".

The hall was packed for his one-man show,
Over twenty items in a row:
Readings, recitations, instrumentation funny
To raise some more community money.

Born of a naval dynasty,
He built the Canterbury jetty
And told the tale of Sorrento Town
Ere steamers started coming down.

Growing beet sugar, exporting meat,
A range of interests so complete.
His mind always sought adventure:
Our own Knight of La Mancha.

Near Boneo Rd.

PURVES (CAIN 4,5,6.)






At this time (circa 1880) William owned and resided on the Wannaeue Estate between Rosebud and Boneo, consisting of 661 acres 1 rood and 22 perches, being crown allotments 8-11, section A, Wannaeue. As a returning officer for the West Riding he was to be contacted there (advertisements.) The estate was bounded by Eastbourne Rd, Jetty Rd (and 400 metres of Old Cape Schanck Rd), an unmade government road which ran between the south end of the Rosebud Country Club's frontages to Boneo and Old Cape Schanck Rds (jokingly called Hiscock Rd west of Boneo Rd), and Boneo Rd on the west. The 167 acres (nearly) between Eastbourne Rd and Besgrove St was granted to Henry Reynolds and the rest to James Ford. (See Melway map 171.)

While a councillor and living on Wannaeue Station, William Ford had a famous cook! I was reminded of this while watching "High Tide", a history of the British navy.

It is not generally known says the Argus, Melbourne, of the 19th, that one of those who took part in the celebrated naval duel in 1813 between the English frigate Shannon, 36 guns, and the American frigate Chesapeake, 50 guns, is living in the colony in hale and hearty health. His name is Thomas Salmon, and he will be 80 years of age next month. He is employed as cook on the station of Mr. Ford, at Wannaeue, between Rye and Dromana. He appears to be likely to do a good day's work for several years to come, and is only too willing to relate the particulars of the naval confliction in which he was concerned. He narrates with great gusto the fact that it only took them in the Shannon 30 minutes to polish off the Chesapeake ; and speaks with some pride of the circumstance that Captain Broke, of the Shannon, and his first lieutenant, were the first to cut their way through the boarding nettings on to the Chesapeake's deck, when the boatswain piped "boarders away." The old man has a most thorough contempt for the present style of ironclad men-of-war, which he refers to as "iron pots." The old salt is a "character," and is always ready to spin a yarn relative to his adventures afloat or in the bush. (P.11, The Maitland Mercury and Hunter River General Advertiser,24-2-1877.)

See the LOVIE entry re a FORD hitting him (for perjury that is!) James Ford, William Ford's father, did a fair bit of damaging himself so it's ironic that he was so upset about Lovie damaging Browns Rd at Melway 169 G11. James Ford had been transported for machine breaking and in 1859, the founder and namer of Portsea was, with Peter Purves of Tootgarook Station, the perpetrator of a dodgy petition against the government's plans to built a fence from White Cliff to the back beach to stop the cattle of those two and a few others, such as George White, grazing in the police paddock; this, if successful, would have been damaging for the government which would have been required to buy fodder, and many of the signatories who actually supported construction of the fence.

James Ford lived at Portsea but would have spent much time travelling between there and the Wannaeue Estate (and 13AB, section B, Wannaeue on the west side of Purves Rd, which would make Browns Rd his preferred route rather than Ford's Lane (Eastbourne Rd.) If he'd gone the other way, Lovie might have been a Wannaeue pioneer for much longer.


Bay frontage east of Norm Clark Walk.

East of Cape Schanck and Grasslands Rd.

William Cripps received his grants in 1879 and 1884 but must have selected 18A1 in 1870 or earlier because he had made the track through what became Back Road Bob Cairns' selection in about 1870. The track was most likely Cairn Rd (which should be called Cairns Rd!)which links up perfectly with the west boundary of the Burrells' Arthurs Seat pre-emptive right, today's The Avenue. Back Road Bob and his son were using this track in about 1905 in the role of trespassers when his witness in this case, Robert Henry Adams, threatened them with a shovel for trespassing on his land.

The road that Mr Stephens said William should have used is Hove Rd, This would have involved travelling 3400 metres, as opposed to 1400 metres on the track that William had made twelve years earlier, to reach Melway 159 A 11 on the way to the Dromana Pier.And with the speed that bullocks travelled that would add hours extra to deliver a load and return for the next. The private track that Robert Cairns had made was almost certainly Cairn Rd which leads directly to Marina Crescent where his "Fernvilla" homestead still apparently stands. Bullockies used drags to descend steep inclines safely and Robert obviously didn't want ruts along his private track.

Robert Cairns v John Cripps; assault and trespass, £10. Mr Stephens for plaintiff and Mr Hornby for defendant.
Mr Hornby raised objection to procedure on the ground that the two causes for action should not be embodied on one summons, and referred his Honor to Section 46, Rule 57 in support.
Mr Stephen opposed Mr Hornby's dictum and said his client claimed £19 for the assault and £10 for the trespass, or together £19 only.
Mr Hornby objected to such a course being pursued, and asked his Honor for a non-suit on the ground stated.

His Honor overruled the objection, and Mr Stephen said his client, a farmer and selector at Wannaeue claimed £19 for assault and trespass. The defendant is also a selector near to plaintiff, and took the liberty to
cart large quantities of heavy firewood in wet weather over the plaintiff's land, which cut it up and did a large amount of damage. His client had often remonstrated and cautioned him not to do so, and in return got
nothing but abuse, and in the present case was violently assaulted whilst erecting a fence to prevent defendant trespassing. The defendant persisted in his trespass, and his client came to the Court to obtain the protection due to all. The action taken by his client was not in a malicious spirit, as the defendant had been repeatedly cautioned, and the only redress the plaintiff could obtain was coming to this Court. As a proof of this had he taken the case into the Supreme Court-which he could have done-the defendant would have been a ruined man. He
had persisted in doing a wrong to the plaintiff, finally violently assaulting him, and called the plaintiff.

Robert Cairns deposed: Was a farmer and selector at Wannacue near Dromana. Held a selection of 51 acres part of Government lot 32, and the defendant trespassed with bullocks and waggon on part of selection. Have been in possession 3 1/2 years and hold occupation license. I recollect the 14th of June and saw defendant on my land on that day +with a team of bullocks and waggon laden with wood. I spoke to him in a quiet friendly manner, and told him it was very wrong and foolish of him to trespass on my land, and that I would no longer quietly suffer the damage he was doing me, and I would not permit my own brother quietly to so injure me, and warned him to not again cross the land.

To his Honor: The defendant said it was doing no harm.

To Mr Stephen: On the following day,15th, I saw him again with his load bogged on my land. I again warned him. He partly unloaded his waggon and continued his trespass by cartage. On the 16th I went and took posts and rails to fence across at certain places to stop his carting. The defendant was there, and he asked me if I was
going to fence across the place and prevent him crossing. I told him I was. He then swore at me and called me vile names. He left and returned with his sons and again abused me. He removed the posts and rail I had partially erected, and as he was driving through he raised the butt end of his whip and struck me violently. I have had the land between three and four years. Made a private track some five years ago. I have cut the
principal portions of the timber off my selection.

Mr Stephen then called R.H.Adams, who stated that he was a farmer. Knew both the plaintiff and defendant's selections; adjoin his own. Saw Cripps carting wood over Cairns' land. Warned him not to cart over my land.
Lent Cairns some posts and fails, and went to Cairns' place and had a cup of tea.

To Mr Stephen,- I saw Cripps strike Cairns with the butt end of his whip handle and I saw the bruise for days after. The defendant had a lot of wood behind his waggon on the ground as a drag, which tore up the ground.

To Mr Hornby.-Know Cripps well, the piece of land in question has not been used as a public track ; have not been in trouble myself about a horse or cow.

Mr Hornby briefly addressed his Honor,submitting that there was no case, his client had simply been making use of an old track, and one he had made years ago. His Honour thought there was a case, he would think so too if he had been struck over the head with the butt end of a bullock whip.

Mr Hornby proceeded and pointed out the defendant held a license to cut timber, and simply used the old track, and called the defendant who said his name was Wm Cripps and not Jos. Cripps. Mr.Hornby called his Honor's attention to the fact that the wrong person had been summoned.
His Honour overuled, and permitted correction.

Defendant in reply to Mr. Hornby, deposed: Was a selector and farmer at Wannaeue and held a license to cut timber off crown lands adjoining plaintiff's property. Made the track along which he was carting 12 year ago. On the occasion in question had a load, and it was the only way possible to get the wood out from the place he had cut it.
To His Honor: There is no other outlet from the land.

Mr. Stephen pointed out there was a road as shown on the plan at the back portion and that defendant had no business on plaintiff's land if he could not get out.
Examination continued by Mr. Hornby: Plaintiff Cairns knew I was in the habit of going that way, and has had the selection about 4 years, and has not fenced. He never made any objection before to my using my
To His Honor : I was carting wood on the day, and Cairns objected. I never hit him on the head with my whip butt. I was on his land when the alleged assault took place, and when I came along the track with my load, Cairns stood in the centre and attempted to stop my bullocks. They swerved off the line, and getting them again into the track, had to make use of my whip, and I believe the whip caught Cairns's hat and knocked it off. It was quite accidental, and Cairns tells a deliberate lie when he says I intentionally struck him with the butt of my whip.
To Mr. Stephens: Cairns did not come to me as stated on the 14th, and caution me not to again use the track.
To His Honor: He did not tell me on the 14th. He told my son I believe on that day, but my son did not tell me. The day of the alleged assault, the 16th June, was not the first day he had cautioned me.
Cross-examined by Mr. Stephens : I did not make use of any parliamentary language to the plaintiff on the occasion. I was dragging the wood down the hill, and was ignorant as to whether he had given the selection up, as it was unfenced. I know Mr. Townsend, but have not quarrelled with him. He is a neighbour. Defendant also
stated that both Cairns and Adams had a regular down upon him, and bore him anything but a friendly feeling.

Mr. Hornby then called defendant's son, Wm. Thomas Cripps, who in reply to Mr. Hornby, said he was with his father on the 16th June. Saw Cairns at the same time. His father did not strike Cairns. Cairns stood in the middle of the track with a rail in his hand, and said the bullocks should not cross or pass that way. My father did not strike him intentionally with his whip.
Cross-examined by Mr. Stephen : There was no hot blood or quarreling on the occasion. His father's whip accidentally caught Cairns' hat and pulled it off, and he removed it out of his way with his foot. My father carted three loads afterwards. I don't remember Cairns cautioning my father not to cross that way on the 14th June. We did not do much work on the 15th June in consequence of the bullocks having strayed. My father has been across on two occasions since the 16th June, and I have been across with him.

Mr. Hornby then called Albert Cripps, a son of defendant, who in reply to that gentleman, said he was with his father on the 16th June, and as they were going along the road with the team, Cairns stood in the road with a
stick and tried to turn the bullocks. His father's whip caught Cairns' hat and knocked it off his head. I was not on the ground on the 14th June, but was on the 15th. Did not see the wheels of the waggon bogged.

Mr. Hornby then addressed His Honor, and contended there was no proof of an assault having been committed. Three witnesses to two proved to the non-assault. So far as the trespass was concerned, it might have occurred. The plaintiff had held the land for over 4 years, and had neglected to fence it, and his client thought he had given it up, and very reasonably so, and would leave the matter in his Honor's hands.

Mr. Stephen thought that the trespass and assault had been very clearly proved, and the fact of the defendant bringing in two of his own children into that court (mildly speaking) to commit perjury in the fact that they
distinctly swear they never saw any assault with the butt of the whip committed. The plaintiff and Mr. Adams, two respectable men, both swear distinctly to the assault, and being a most aggrieved one.

His Honor briefly referred to the points of evidence, and gave plaintiff a verdict for £10 and £6/1/0 costs. (P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 18-10-1882.)

THIS DAY.At the Rooms, At Twelve O'clock.
C.J. and T. HAM are Instructed by Mr. W.Cripps to SELL, as above,
Land, comprising 101 acres 1 rood 4 perches,being Sections 18 A1 and 30c, parish of Wannaeue,having a frontage to tho Cape-Schanck road, at Wannaeue, Mornington, within four miles of Dromana.
The extension of the railway to Schnapper Point must tend to benefit of this land. Title Crown grant.
Land being portion of Crown Allotment 8, parish of Moorooduc, having; a frontage of 180ft. to Tanti-road by a depth of 133ft.This desirable allotment is on the coach route, and convenient to the township. Title Certificate. (P.4, Argus, 10-6-1886.)

At the Police Court to day, Constable M'Grath charged William Cripps, the owner of a passenger coach plying between Mornington and Frankston. with using insulting language in the public road, viz., calling the
passengers in a rival coach "a lot of Van Diemonians", and also with negligent driving and obstructing the public road on the 2nd inst The Bench found the defendant guilty, and fined him £10 on the first charge,
dismissing the two others.(P.7, Argus, 14-7-1886.)

William Cripps' Wannaeue land was bought by T.Evans, along with John Townsend's grants but two years later, the mortgagee was selling both farms. Advertising
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Friday 15 June 1888 p 2 Advertising
... above are known as formerly the selection of Messrs. Townscud and Cripps, and recently Mr. T. F. Evans .

It looks like William decided firewood supply wasn't going to be profitable if he had to go the log way and decided to move to the Big Smoke (Mornington) in 1884 and remembered that he and Thirza intended to do something. Now what was it? Something to do with Albert, wasn't it?

Person Details for Thirza Cripps in entry for Albert Cripps ...

Name Albert Cripps
Gender Male
Christening Date 03 Oct 1884
Christening Place Moorooduc, Victoria, Australia
Birth Date 19 Jan 1869
Name Note Mornington, Victoria, Australia
Father's Name William Cripps
Mother's Name Thirza Cripps

Albert's details are missing from this genealogy page. The first-born would have been the other son who testified re the Robert Cairns charge of trespass and assault. One of the girls is buried at Mornington. I think it was Eva who married William McGrath. I wonder if Eva's husband was a descendant of Constable McGrath!There were actually ten children. See the end of my WILLIAM CRIPPS journal.

Thirza /WELLS/ Desc. -


William /CRIPPS/ Draw Desc. Tree.
b. 1839 at Richmond, Surrey, UK

Thirza /WELLS/ Parents. Draw Anc. Tree. Draw Desc. Tree.
b. Jun 1840 at St Luke's, London City, London, UK
d. 1921 at South Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Marriage. 1861 at Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia


William Thomas /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree.
b. 1861 at Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia
d. 1885 at Snapper Point, Victoria, Australia
Jacob John /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree.
b. 1864
d. 1866
Eunice Ann /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree. Draw Desc. Tree.
b. 1866 at Brighton, Victoria, Australia

Minnie /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree. Draw Desc. Tree.
b. 1872 at Dromana, Victoria, Australia
d. 1960 at Hampton, Victoria, Australia

Georgina /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree. Draw Desc. Tree.
b. 1874 at Dromana, Victoria, Australia
d. 1948 at Richmond, Victoria, Australia

Leslie /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree.
b. 1878 at St Kilda, Victoria, Australia
Victor /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree. Draw Desc. Tree.
b. 1878 at St Kilda, Victoria, Australia
d. 1955 at Edithvale, Victoria, Australia

Eva /CRIPPS/ Draw Anc. Tree. Draw Desc. Tree.
b. 1881 at Dromana, Victoria, Australia
d. 1925 at Werribee, Victoria, Australia

ROSEBUD--By Executors late John Roberts-Allotment 18A2, Wannaeue,58 acres (next Cripps'. 1.5 mile south from
Rosebud State School, netting fenced, partly cleared. Apply McCONCHIE, Rosebud P.O, or BRADY, Mt Evergreen, Rosebud. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 15-1-1916.)


Near Purves Rd.

Near Main Creek Rd.

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Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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To prevent duplication, no further entries will be written in this journal, and readers of my newer journal (DICTIONARY HISTORY OF PIONEERS, PROPERTIES AND EVENTS ON THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA, VIC., AUST.) will be referred to this journal regarding pioneers for whom an entry has already been written here. The link for the Wannaeue parish map provided here in comment 1 by janilye will help readers to determine locations of those pioneers' farms (in conjunction with Melway references given in the dictionary history.)

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