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Roger Jones Fencible 1848 - son James Jones

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Hi all - Roger Jones Born 1801, Rossory, Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland came to Otahuhu, Auckland, NZ aboard the ship Ann in 1848 as a fencible to help protect settlers. He married (2nd wife) Eliza(beth) McConaghy on 25 Oct 1852, and he died in Dunedin in 1881. My GG grandfather was his son... his name was James Jones... b circa 1859 and according to marriage & death cert he was born in New Zealand... i have searched everywhere for details of his birth in NZ but cannot find anything. A distant relative said he was born on 12 Oct 1859, but that was some years ago and have lost his contact details now.... so hoping someone anyone may be able to help out there... many thanks

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on 2019-03-13 00:58:05

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by ngairedith on 2019-03-13 05:35:51

hi katma,
how many children did Roger & Eliza have do you know? I only found Mary Elizabeth born 1 Oct 1853 so guessing she was their first.
Also let me know any other bits of info you may have so I can help. Looking for a Jones?? is, as you would expect, mind boggling 😵

by ngairedith on 2019-03-13 05:49:37

who did James your gg marry and where did they die?

by ngairedith on 2019-03-13 06:18:37

excuse me katma if you know all this but other helpers probably won't and no use us all searching the same old ground so I will write it here so we can see what we have so far ... (everything to lead up to your gg grandfather)
Eliza (1836-1913) was 35 years younger than Roger. She was 16 when she married him in 1852. Roger died 12 Aug 1881 in Dunedin Hospital of bronchitis aged 74. There were 7 children alive at that time. Four years after his death, in 1885, she remarried to Thomas Sullivan from County Kerry. Thomas died 19 Oct 1909 aged 68. Eliza died 16 Sep 1913 aged 77 and they are buried Plots 2 & 5, Block 29R in Southern cemetery, Dunedin

I also found that James Jones died 7 May 1931 in Newcastle Hospital, NSW from heart disease aged 71, which shows he was born after May in 1859 (in his 72 year) so Oct is very likely as your relative said, there were 8 children living and 3 sons deceased

by ngairedith on 2019-03-13 06:29:02

No wonder I couldn't find him, Roger is buried as RODERICK Jones in Southern Cemetery, Dunedin, between Eliza and her 2nd husband Thomas

As per other comment, his son, James Jones is buried Methodist cemetery, Sandgate

by katma on 2019-03-13 18:08:23

Hi Ngairedith

Many thanks for this... yes most of it i know .. its James's actual birth record i cannot find... it doesnt come up in the New Zealand Births deaths and marriages records..

children found from there are
1853 Mary Elizabeth
1857 Rose Ann
1861 William
1863 Robert
1865 Ellen
1868 Eliza
1870 Susan
1872 Mary Anne
1874 Thomas
1880 William (died the day after Roger 14mths)

a big gap between 1874 and 1880 Eliza would of been round 44-45 yrs in 1880 - its odd that there would be two Williams maybe William in 1861 changed his name to James...

At Rogers death there were 2 males and 5 females living...

Yes its also odd Roger was buried as Roderick... in all my research he hasnt used that name at all but it is on his burial records and tombstone.

Kind regards

by ngairedith on 2019-03-13 22:56:22

hi katma,
no big gap between 1874 & 1880 as I have just found they had another daughter
Margaret Jones was born 10 Jan 1877 and her father was registered as Roddie. There is the name Roderick for the first time !!
I will continue to search what happened to Margaret as, I am sure, you will be busy doing now too 😃

Although James may have been born out of NZ, many children back then were never registered so it's possible you will never find his birth record

by ngairedith on 2019-03-14 04:18:50

katma, are you aware that Roger arrived into Auckland on the 'Ann' on 16 May 1848 with his first wife Sarah (1805-1849) and their 3 children?

Do you know the maiden name of Sarah please?. She died in childbirth 10 months later aged 44, and any names of those 3 children? She died in 1849 but have no idea which burial ground would have been available then, unless you know?

by ngairedith on 2019-03-14 15:26:03

First, apologies for asking if you were aware he arrived on the Ann, when you have said as much in your query

The following couple of articles are a good help.
The first shows he was born in NZ. The year is slightly out, as newspaper reports often are, and he may not have necessarily been born in Otago, may have been born in Auckland like a number of his siblings then brought up in Otago ..
Newcastle Morning Herald, 14 May 1931
The funeral of Mr James Jones, who died in the Newcastle Hospital, took place in the Methodist Cemetery at Sandgate. Mr Jones was an old identity of Newcastle, and watched its progress for the last 51 years (arrived 1880 aged 21). He was born in Otago, New Zealand, in 1860, and came to Australia in his early days. He married at the age of 22 and settled in Newcastle districts. He was employed by the A. A. Company at the old Hamilton pit and was a volunteer at the time of the disaster. He lived in the Old Pit Row, which is now the major part of Hamilton South. He next went to the old Sea Pit, then to the chutes at the wharf. There he became a carter for the company, until the big flood, when he suffered from am electric shock and one of his horses was killed outright. He had to find other work suitable for him and took the position of watchman for T. Burnage and Son, in Darby-street. Later he settled with his daughter, Mrs J. Bartley, in the Merewether district.
Mr Jones lost his third oldest son in the war with the 20th Battalion (Herbert, KIA 1918). He is survived by four sons and four daughters and 25 grandchildren and three great-grandchildren.
Wreaths were laid on the grave on behalf of: The employees of R. Hall, employees Hawkins Ltd., Uncle Jim and Auntie, Jones family, Merewether Football Club, parents and Citizens' Association, Grandma and family.

This one uses his name Roderick again
Evening Post, 14 May 1912 JONES-HALL On the 10th April 1912, at St Joseph's Church, Buckle-street, by the Rev Father Hurley, Thomas W. Jones, youngest son of the late Roderick Jones, of Dunedin, to Laura Violet, fourth daughter of William Hall, Newtown, Wellington

by katma on 2019-03-14 18:26:21

oh wow, thank you so much

am diggin into sarahs last name.... will keep you updated if i find anything...

the shipping list didnt mention the names of the 3 children... but will keep trying to find out...

by katma on 2019-03-27 03:37:44

Hi Ngaire

Sarah's maiden name was Melville...took a while but there you go...

Kind regards

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