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THE CLEAVE FAMILY OF GUNBOWER, TRARALGON AND RED HILL (NEAR FLINDERS), VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

Journal by itellya

This was posted on the PIONEERS OF THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA Facebook page and as it seemed likely that due to a new algorithm, it was going to be deleted by Facebook, rather than copy it into a word file where nobody would see it, I decided to copy it directly into a journal.

Shane Cleave sent me a message, and as I don't know him from a bar of soap, I wasn't going to answer it. Luckily I did. If you or others want me to be able to help you, write a post, starting with my name and then some information, such as in Shane's message.
Shane's message (edited by me.)
I am Shane Cleave from Flinders. If you don’t mind I would like to find out more about the Cleave family. I think they settled in Red Hill South. My grandfather was Walter Cleave. Thank you for your posts.

This was the only result in a "Walter Cleave" trove search limited to the Mornington Standard, Frankston.
Clearing sale—Shoreham, Alex Scott and Co report having held, on the 26th inst, at Wattle Grove, Shoreham, a most successful sale on account of Mrs Smidt, executrix in the estate of the late John J. Smidt, when they disposed of the whole of the cattle, ponies, household funiture and effects at highly satisfactory prices. The properties were not sold by auction, but were subsequently disposed of privately. "Wattle Grove" of 81 acres was purchased by Mr William Batholomew of Flinders, ten acres (on the Dromana and Flinders roads???????) by Mr W. Walter Cleave Jr of Red Hill, half-acre township allotment at Flinders by Mrs C. Johansen.
(P.2, Mornington Standard, Frankston, 3-7-1915.)

As there were possibly dozens of people named Walter Cleave who were totally unrelated to Shane, rather than barking up the wrong tree and catching a red herring, I did a "CLEAVE, RED HILL" search and discovered an Anzac, born in Traralgon, and his brother, also an Anzac.

ANZAC PROJECT.
Theodore Ernest CLEAVE
Regimental number-19782
Place of birth-Taralgon (sic), Victoria
School-Balmarring, Flinders and Main Creek, Victoria
Religion-Church of England
Occupation-Butcher
Address-Red Hill, via Mornington, Victoria
Marital status-Single
Age at embarkation-19
Next of kin-Father, W W Cleave, Red Hill, via Mornington, Victoria Previous military service-Nil
Enlistment date-30 July 1915
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll-30 November 1915
Rank on enlistment-Gunner
Unit name-Field Artillery Brigade 8, Battery 30
AWM Embarkation Roll number-13/36/1
Embarkation details-Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A7 Medic on 20 May 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll-Gunner
Unit from Nominal Roll-8th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate-Died of wounds 2 June 1917
Place of death or wounding-Ploegsteert, Messines, Belgium
Age at death- 21
Family/military connections
Brother: 19783 Gunner Charles harper CLEAVE, 8th Field Artillery Brigade, .............
Other details
War service: Western Front
Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal

CHARLES HARPER CLEAVE'S SERVICE RECORD.
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=55116

BIRTH RECORDS.
CLEAVE Ernt Theodore Birth
MOTHER: Mary Harper nee RICHEY father: Wm Walt
place of birth: TRARALGON, 1896, 15563/1896

Charles Harper (reg. no. 12398 / 1894) born at Gunbower, all other details as above.

Shane, because of interaction with descendants, I have been able to write stories about thousands of pioneers about whom I knew nothing at first except a name in rate records or on a parish map. If W. Walter Cleaves was your grandfather, I don't even have those details. Where exactly were the 10 acres on the Dromana and Flinders road? (Melway co-ordinates.) How were W.W., T.E., and C.H. Cleave related to you?

If you or others are able to answer these questions, I will be able to press on with my research.

A WORD OF WARNING.
There is a fair chance that this post will be labelled scam by Facebook's algorithm and deleted by Facebook so I suggest that readers copy it before this happens and write a comment stating that they do not regard it as scam.

Postscript, 9 a.m. 17-9-2022.
Further message from Shane (edited by me.)
Thank you for your reply. (The above post.) Yes, C.H. Cleave was my grandfather's brother. I have his world war medals and more and I am very respectful of them. A cousin of mine, John Tuck, gave them to me. Thank you again for your help. I know a lot about the Tuck side of the family; my grandma was a Tuck, E.Cleave born 1895. She lived (with?) us and told me a lot about about the Tuck side but not the Cleave side. My father A.W Cleave born 1930 👍

CLEAVE—TUCK.—On th 7th September, at St McCartan's Catholic Church, Mornington, by the Rev. Father O'Hagan, William Walter, eldest son of William Walter and Mary Harper Cleave, of Red Hill, to Ethel, second youngest daughter of Elizabeth and the late Thomas Tuck of Flinders. (P.5, The Age, 8-8-1921.)

BIRTH RECORDS OF THE BRIDE AND GROOM.
CLEAVE William Walter Birth
mother: Mary Harper nee RICHEY (Ritchie?) father: William Walter place of birth: GUNB (Gunbower), 1882, 3110/1882

TUCK Ethel Birth
mother: Elizth nee HADDOW father:Thos
place of birth: FLINDERS BALNAR(ring), 1895, 12198/1895

RE SHANE'S COMMENT: "My father A.W Cleave born 1930"- no birth record was found. However there was one for the daughter* of Albert Bertram Cleave, he being a brother of Theodore Ernest, Charles Harper and William Walter.

ALBERT BERTRAM'S BIRTH RECORD.
CLEAVE Albert Bertram Birth mother: Mary Harper nee RICHEY father: William Walter place of birth:GUNBOWER
1888. 11939/1888

HIS MARRIAGE RECORD.
CLEAVE Albert Bertram Marriage CAIRNS, Janet Thompson 1916 4668/1916

* BIRTH RECORD OF HIS DAUGHTER.
CLEAVE Vera Jane Birth mother:CLEAVE, Janet Thompson nee CAIRNS father:CLEAVE, Albert Bertram place of birth:Flinders
1920, 21743/1920

Surnames: CAIRNS CLEAVE RITCHIE TUCK
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by itellya on 2022-09-18 09:20:36

BIRTH RECORD OF ALBERT'S WIFE.
Albert Bertram Cleave's wife would seem to be the daughter of John Cairns (b. 1846) who married Ada Morgan. John was the fourth child of David Thompson (1821-1870) and Janet nee Thompson (1819-1880). His older brother David (1842-1923) married Elizabeth Russell and also had a daughter named Janet Thompson Cairns born in 1885.
(THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO, Peter Wilson.)

As I could find no record of the death or remarriage of Albert's wife, I'll have to assume that ADA was a pet name for Mary Ann nee Morgan, the mother of Albert's wife.

CAIRNS Janet Thompson Birth mother: Mary Ann nee MORGAN father: Jno
place of birth: DROMANA, 1880, 8117/1880

by itellya on 2022-09-19 03:07:21

Albert Bertram Cleave's death notice revealed that he had two daughters, Vera and Joan.
CLEAVE.—On the 29th April, at Alfred Hospital, Albert Bertram, dearly beloved husband of Janet Thompson, and loving father of Vera and Joan, and son of William Walter and Mary Harper Cleave, aged 41 years. (Inserted by his loving wife and daughters.)
(P.1, Argus, 1-5-1929.)
There is no birth record for Joan Cleave on Victorian BDM ONLINE.

Shane revealed that Albert had served in W.W.1, and had lost a leg but this is not mentioned in his service record.

Albert Bertram CLEAVE
Regimental number 19620
Place of birth Gunbower, Victoria
Religion Church of England
Occupation Farmer
Address Flinders, Victoria
Marital status Married
Age at embarkation 27
Next of kin Wife, Mrs J Cleave, Flinders, Victoria
Enlistment date 19 January 1916
Rank on enlistment Gunner
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade 8, Battery 29
AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/36/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A7 Medic on 20 May 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Bombardier
Unit from Nominal Roll 8th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate Returned to Australia 5 January 1919

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