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THE LLOYDS OF TODAY'S ATTWOOD, MICKLEHAM AND TULLAMARINE AND THE WILLIAMSONS OF GREENVALE, VIC., UST.

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THE LLOYDS OF TODAY'S ATTWOOD, MICKLEHAM AND TULLAMARINE AND THE WILLIAMSONS OF GREENVALE.

I owe a huge debt to Syd Lloyd and his brother, George, for contributing so much to my knowledge of a huge area around Tullamarine so hopefully this journal will be useful for anyone undertaking the writing of a Lloyd family history. George wrote his wonderful "MICKLEHAM ROAD FROM 1920 TO 1952" which inspired and greatly aided my dictionary history of Tullamarine and miles around (and has assisted heritage citations such as the one for KALKALLO PARK)while Sid's information and history road tour was supplemented when he introduced me to Bob Blackwell, who like Sid and George, knew every square inch of the area.


SID LLOYD’S FAMILY.
HIS MUM.
EventDeath
Event registration number10968
Registration year1939
Personal information
Family nameLLOYD
Given namesSarah Elizabeth
SexFemale
Father's nameSMITH Francis
Mother's nameMary (Doolan)
Place of birthDEVENISH
Place of deathMELBOURNE
Age54
PERSONAL
Benalla Ensign (Vic. : 1938 - 1954) Friday 28 July 1939 p 2 Article
... . J. T. Martin of Devenish. * * Mrs. W. Lloyd, of Mickleham, is re-newing acquaintances in the Deven ...643 words
CARDINIA
The DEATH has occurred of Mrs
'Lloyd, of , Mickleham, a sister of
Messrs 'Wallace and Hugh Smith, Car
dinia. (P.20, Dandenong Journal, 22-11-1939.)

SARAH’S BROTHER.
SMITH.-On the 31st October, at his residence, St.
Mungo, Clyde*, Nicholas Charles, dearly loved
son of Mary and the late F. G. Smith, loved
brother of Jim (Geelong), George (Christchurch,
New Zealand), Wallace, Sarah (Mrs. Lloyd,
Broadmeadows*), Hugh, Bruce (Oakleigh), and
Mary (Mrs. H. McLean, Bellarine), aged 50
years. (P.1, Argus, 1-11-1928.)
* This was while William Lloyd was share farming with the Orrs near Broadmeadows Township and before the family moved to Mickleham as detailed in George Lloyd's history. I also recall that George stated that his father had come to Broadmeadows circa 1920 from Clyde.

SID’S PARENTS’ MARRIAGE.
From a LLOYD, MICKLEHAM search on trove, I discovered in a stock report that his father was W.M.Lloyd.
EventMarriage
Event registration number1221
Registration year1915
Personal information
Family nameLLOYD
Given namesWm Morris
SexUnknown
Spouse's family nameSMITH
Spouse's given namesSarah Elizth

SID’S FATHER’S DEATH.
EventDeath
Event registration number21398
Registration year1960
Personal information
Family nameLLOYD
Given namesWilliam Morris
SexMale
Father's nameLLOYD William
Mother's nameMary Ann (Morris)
Place of birthWALES
Place of deathROMSEY
Age75

SID’S BIRTH? (YES!)
EventBirth
Event registration number901
Registration year1916
Personal information
Family nameLLOYD
Given namesSydney Evans
SexUnknown
Father's nameWm Morris
Mother's nameSarah Elzth (Smith)
Place of birthBERWICK

EVIDENCE THAT THE COPY OF GEORGE LLOYD’S HISTORY THAT I PROVIDED IS AT THE HUME GLOBAL LEARNING CENTRE.
23 Tudehope, 'Kalkallo - A Link with the Past', in The Victorian Historical Magazine, November 1961, p.114; also George M Lloyd, 'Mickleham Road: From 1920 to 1952' (unpublished typescript, 1 September 1985), p 13.
Footnote on the second last page of:
http://www.hume.vic.gov.au/…/5ac…/kalkallo_park_kalkallo.pdf

NAMES ON MICKLEHAM WAR MEMORIAL.
LLOYD G
LLOYD J
LLOYD S
http://www.ozgenonline.com/~Caro…/Mickleham_War_Memorial.htm


http://www.ozgenonline.com/~nh…/Bulla_Cemetery/frameset.html
1185 LLOYD
Bruce 69Y 13/07/1925* 08/07/1994 00/07/1994 Presb. 6 19 Twin son of William Morris Lloyd & Sarah Elizabeth Smith.
(*There's no Victorian BDM birth record for Bruce.)

1186 LLOYD
Glenys Elizabeth 6Y10M 00/00/1957 18/12/1963 23/12/1963 Presb. 6 13 Daughter of Sydney Evans Lloyd & Alice Pearl White. Died in Tullamarine, Victoria, Australia.

1189 LLOYD
William Morris 75Y 00/00/1885 06/02/1960 10/02/1960 Presb. 6 19 Son of William Lloyd & Mary Ann Morris. Died in Romsey, Victoria, Australia.

IS THIS WHY SYD'S DAD DIED AT ROMSEY?
SERVICEMEN ON THE LAND
First Settlement at Romsey
First ex-servicemen to be allotted blocks under subdivisional settlement in Victoria, and to actually occupy their farms were Messrs. D. P. Jones and W. J.Lloyd, at Romsey. They were allotted blocks on March 21, 1947,and occupied them on May 1,1947.(P.3, The Age, 10-9-1947.)

W.J. Lloyd was probably the J.Lloyd on the Mickleham War Memorial. This could be his service record, and George's and Syd's follow.

Name - World War Two Nominal Roll
www.ww2roll.gov.au/NameSearch.aspx
Name LLOYD, WILLIAM JOHN
Service Australian Army
Service Number V52151
Date of Birth 22 Oct 1919
Place of Birth BERWICK, VIC
Date of Enlistment 17 Aug 1940
Locality on Enlistment ESSENDON, VIC
Place of Enlistment MOONEE PONDS, VIC
Next of Kin LLOYD, WILLIAM
Date of Discharge 9 May 1941
Rank Gunner
Posting at Discharge 2 Medium Regiment
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

Name LLOYD, GEORGE MORRIS
Service Australian Army
Service Number VX57551
Date of Birth 25 Mar 1917
Place of Birth BERWICK, VIC
Date of Enlistment 11 Jun 1941
Locality on Enlistment MICKLEHAM, VIC
Place of Enlistment ROYAL PARK, VIC
Next of Kin LLOYD, WILLIAM
Date of Discharge 1 Mar 1946
Rank Bombardier
Posting at Discharge 2/12 FIELD REGIMENT
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

Name LLOYD, SYDNEY EVANS
Service Australian Army
Service Number VX57550
Date of Birth 8 Feb 1916
Place of Birth BERWICK, VIC
Date of Enlistment 11 Jun 1941
Locality on Enlistment MICKLEHAM, VIC
Place of Enlistment ROYAL PARK, VIC
Next of Kin LLOYD, W
Date of Discharge Unknown
Rank Gunner
Posting at Discharge 2/12 FIELD REGIMENT
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

Thank goodness for this roll because Victorian BDM only had a birth record for Sid.

http://greenvaleps.vic.edu.au/…/Greenvale_Primary_School_18…
GREENVALE PRIMARY SCHOOL – ROLL CALL 1933
GAMBLE Edward
SHEEHAN Patrick
LLOYD William
RUTH Nancy Margaret
RUTH Veronica Joan
HATTY David
GILLIES Donald Cameron
MILLAR Mavis
GAMBLE Jean
HATTY Muriel
WILLIAMSON Olive
SHANKLAND Jessie
SHANKLAND Dorothy
WILLIAMSON James
TILLEY Charles William
RUTH Gwendoline
SHANKLAND Marjorie
LLOYD Marjorie
CHAMBERS Richard
HATTY Betty
EXELL Hilda
BROCKHOLT Brockholt
TILLEY Kenneth
LLOYD Bruce
LLOYD Allan
WILLS Edna
MILLAR Joan
MASHITER Walter
EXELL Alan
BENSTEAD Reginald
BENSTEAD Leonard
YOUNG Charles
WILLIAMSON Marjory
WILSON Jack
HUTT Lindsay
WALTERS Ivy
WELSH Arthur
WELSH James
WILLIAMSON Jean
LYON Frank
LYON Betty
MOFFAT Douglas
MOFFAT Frederick
SOUTAR Ian
CHAMBERS Douglas
HOLOWELL Stella
WORTHAM Lena
THRELFALL Kevin
RUTH Rita
PICK Edna
Mr Lloyd moved and Mr Hatty seconded – that in view of the fact that the money which had been collected for breakup day was destroyed when the school was burned, the Committee agrees to make a further effort to arrange for a function to celebrate the opening of the new school when completed (the building having be removed from Sunshine and re-erected at Greenvale).

FROM THE SAME HISTORY.
Extracts of “Going to school yester year” by Gordon Williamson.
The Williamson family represented 3 generations or 50 years connection with the school. I spent 18 years as a committee member, my father spent 29 years. I remember starting school in 1936 by walking to school 1 mile with my brother and sister, rain, hail or shine. Some families walked up to 5 miles “as the crow flies” to get to school. When I started school there were horse yards to tether horses while at school. The older boys at school were let out 5 minutes before so they could saddle up the horses for the children.

My teachers were Mr Sprake and Mr Swan who used to push a bike from Broadmeadows railway station everyday, morning and night, 7 mile each way. At school there were 24 students from grade 1 to grade 8, one teacher, and a sewing mistress just in the afternoons.In those days at school we had no electricity or telephone, but we did have open fires to warm the school. For lighting arrangements we had kerosene lamps to see when it was a little dark. The school had board floors, no carpets. School was used as a social meeting place such as dances, concerts, card nights, kitchen teas, and farewell parties because there were no other halls or buildings to have these functions in. Next door to the school (CORNER OF SOMERTON AND SECTION RDS) there was a post office, store and a telephone exchange.

We started the week at school with the flag raising, saluting the flag and singing “God save the Queen”. Each morning following we would do the “weather chart”. Some of our classes consisted of arithmetic, tables off by heart, spelling, reading, writing plus geography, history, nature study (walks) composition.If we were naughty we were either given the strap or lines to write at home, same in small grade 1 where I sat in the corner when naughty.

Some of our sporting material was a football stuffed with paper, cricket was with an old tennis ball with a bat made out of a piece of wood by one of the children’s dads. as it was war time and it was hard to buy any sporting equipment.

Our roads to the school were gravel and muddy in the winter time. Mickleham road was cobblestone. Mickleham road was known then as Old Sydney road. 2 mile north was stop 1 for Cobb & Co coaches, for the changing of horses and drivers. The Blue stone stable house is still there today (1993).

In 1956 Mickleham Road, Somerton Road and Pascoe Vale Roads were used as the Olympic bike track. The roads were sealed as bitumen roads for that event. Before this they were very rough dirt roads. It was a long way to go shopping as people went by horse and buggy to North Essendon or Puckle Street once a fortnight or month. Men folk would drop families to shop and they would travel on toNewmarket yards to see and buy stock (cattle, sheep, and horses). Newmarket saleyards were one of the largest cattle markets in the world.

Greenvale area was farming, dairy, sheep, pigs and beef. I myself came off a dairy farm on which this school is now situated (current Greenvale primary school in Bradford Avenue). We milked cows, grew crops etc. The farm was workedwith draught horses. I left school in grade 8 and went home to work on the farm with my dad. I drew a 6 horse team ploughing paddocks to grow crops to feed the stock. As time went on we had the power (electricity) put on in Greenvale plus telephones to homes. This all happened around 1950. Instead of manual, the Telephone Exchange became automatic.

As the years went by the school bus started to take children into Essendon to high school and tech school. Then there were buses to take workers into Melbourne. Prior to this people worked at home or boarded in Melbourne. I then married and lived in Greenvale and my children started to go to Greenvale State School. 2 members were dux of the school. That was Gayle in 1970 and Lynda in 1976. My son Craig holds records in the combined school sports for running and jumping. These sports were held between West Meadows, Tullamarine, Bulla, Mickleham, Craigieburn, Kalkallo and Greenvale. They were held once a year at different locations. The last member of the Williamson family left Greenvale School in 1976.
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Gordon Williamson apparently married John Denham's daughter.
DENHAM-WILLIAMSON.—Mr.and Mrs. J. Denham. Bulla road, Tullamarine, have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their only daughter, Ivy Joan to Gordon Keith, younger son of Mrs. H.Williamson and the late Mr. H.Williamson. Greenvale.(P.8, Argus, 12-1-1954.)

WILLIAMSON (Derham).-Joan and Gordon happily announce the arrival of Gayle Lynn on December 5, at Sacred Heart, Moreland. (Both well.)(P.12 , Argus, 10-12-1956.)

AT LAST, PROOF THAT OLIVE WILLIAMSON MARRIED GEORGE MORRIS LLOYD. HUGH WILLIAMSON HAD DIED IN 1953.
EventDeath Event registration number8722 Registration year1953
Personal information
Family nameWILLIAMSON Given namesHugh SexMale Father's nameWILLIAMSON James Mother's nameRebecca (Watkins) Place of birthWARRAGUL Place of deathPARKVILLE Age55

WILLIAMSON, Hugh. —On August 7 (suddenly), at Royal Melbourne Hospital, beloved husband of Bertha, of Dunvegan, Green Vale, loved father of Ollie (Mrs.Lloyd), Jim, Marj (Mrs. H. Bradley), Joan, Joyce (Mrs. N. Taylor),Gordon, Vera, Thelma, Jessie, and Pam.—One day we will all be reunited. (Interred August 10.)
(P.11, Argus, 11-8-1953.)

WAS THIS HUGH'S WIDOW? (YES!)
EventDeath Event registration number5669 Registration year1956
Personal information
Family nameWILLIAMSON Given namesBertha Annie SexFemale Father's nameZERBE August Johann Mother's nameBertha (Fuhrman) Place of birthDONCASTER EAST Place of deathFITZROY Age56

BERTHA AND HUGH'S MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number3747 Registration year1921
Personal information
Family nameZERBE Given namesBertha Annie SexUnknown Spouse's family nameWILLIAMSON Spouse's given namesHugh


Hugh led the search for Hetty, the last of the McKerchars in Greenvale.
Woman, 80, .Trapped By Mud In Dam
TRAPPED in a dam for more than five hours when she sank in mud on Saturday morning, Miss Henrietta McKerchar, 80, of Greenvale, near Broadmeadows,was rescued by searchers led by Mr Hugh Williamson, of Greenvale, near Broadmeadows, She died later in Royal Melbourne Hospital from bronchial pneumonia and effects of exposure. The dam was on Miss McKerchar's property, where she lived alone. She was worried because the pool was drying up and carp in it were dying. (P.27, WeeklyTimes, 23-2-1944.)

Although I made my notes (since discarded) from Greenvale:Links with the Past about 27 years ago, I remember the story told by Annette Davis (now Ferguson) well. Hetty was living on Springfield North, the northern 180 acres of the crown allotment across Somerton Rd from Dunvegan and about half a mile from Hugh's farm. Hetty's farm was later bought by the Gambles who named it Brocklands after John Brock a pioneer north of Bulla and then at Janefield near Bundoora. This farm is now occupied by Aitken College. The farm between Brocklands and Dunvegan was a dairy farm owned by Wal French, (as mentioned in George Lloyd's history and recalled by the name of French Rd.)

Like many of my journals about the Tullamarine area, this journal started from a post in the WE REMEMBER TULLAMARINE Facebook group page. I had two entries still to write in my FIELD DAY AT TULLAMARINE IN 1935, about the DENHAM and STONEY families, and realised that I wouldn't have known anything about them but for George's mention of Bill Stoney being, as I recall, "down Dench's Lane*" in his MICKLEHAM ROAD history and Syd telling me about John Denham owning the land north of Percy Hurren's Dalkeith and Bill Stoney having built the brick house which separated the two sections of the service road on the east side of Mickleham Rd between the freeway and the intersection with Melrose Drive. Having added the Denham and Stoney information in the Field Day journal and lost it due to internet problems, it occurred to me that while George and Sid had provided me with so much information, I had provided nothing about their family that could be accessed on the internet.

*The boundary between the parishes of Will Will Rook (south) and Yuroke (north) is a line indicated by Swain St (Melway 178 H11) forming the southern boundary of Providence Plains and the former timber reserve to the west. Dench's Lane, never a declared road, continued the parish boundary on the east side of Mickleham Rd between Bob Jefferies' farm to the north and Springbank to the south and was named after the butchering family which had land, possibly near Mossgeil Avenue.

As Facebook posts were still submitting, albeit slowly, I wrote a post on WE REMEMBER TULLAMARINE in an effort to make contact with the late Syd Lloyd's daughter, adding some information about the family, the genesis of this journal, and the following comments were posted.

Brenda Kittelty Hi ---, I'm Syd Lloyd's daughter 😁 I'm seeing Mum later today so I'll double check with her. Watch this space.

Caroline Field Went to state school with Eric Denham

Bessie Peart Apparently a lot of the documents & publications that were in the local History section of the library were given to the Broadmeadows historical society. Several years ago.

Brenda Kittelty Ok, according to Mum, Hughie Williamson had a daughter Olive, who married Dad’s next youngest brother George. Dad (Syd) was the eldest of 6 and George was about 15 months younger than him. Hope this helps.

ME. Thanks Brenda Kittelty. I'd thought George was older that your dad and realised that must be wrong when I saw Syd's birth year. I had suspected that it was George who'd married a Williamson girl. Hopefully I can find the marriage record because the quest for a marriage notice looks like a fizzer.

ME. Brenda Kittelty, I hope the information I have provided will prove useful for anyone who undertakes the writing of a family history. If I find anything else, I'll include it in the post.

Brenda Kittelty Thanks ---. All this work you do is quite inspiring! William John Lloyd was known as Jack (my Uncle Jack) and I think you'll find another military service record for him. He, Dad and Uncle George all enlisted together and all served in the 2/12th Field Regiment for the duration of WWII. I believe Uncle Jack's rank upon discharge was Sergeant and he may also have been awarded a medal for bravery, but that wasn't something he liked to talk about.

They're all gone now, and Mum at 98 is the only one of her generation left. She is Alice Lloyd (née White) and she and Dad married on 1 March, 1947. Her older brother, Alan White, had an interesting war story. He was captured by the Germans on Crete and spent the war as a POW in a number of German prisoner-of-war camps. He and his wife Gwen (née Cocking) had a poultry farm in Mickleham despite Uncle Alan's terribly poor health.

BECAUSE OF GEORGE'S HISTORY,TO ME, WHITE AND COCKING ARE NAMES LINKED IMMEDIATELY WITH MICKLEHAM.
Alfred White was discussed in the aforementioned citation for the Kalkallo Park homestead and Whites Lane at Melway 386 A4-7 recalls the family. I'd meant to ask Brenda if Syd had met Alice at Mickleham.

The Cockings may have been on Donnybrook Rd but George's history would state EXACTLY where it was, because he listed the latter pioneers on EVERY road.

CHRIS McLENNAN, The Weekly Times
June 10, 2016 12:00am
VICTORIA’S most expensive farm has been sold and will be chopped up for housing.

The 214ha cattle farm at Mickleham, on the northern outskirts of Melbourne, was sold to a developer for an ­undisclosed price, believed to be more than $60 million.

The land had been owned by the pioneering Cocking family for more than a century.

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