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The rescue of Georgie Porter 1907

Journal by janilye

14 April 1907, Western Australia
Re: The Swan Boys Orphanage more popularly know as the Coffinage at Middle Swan
conducted by that animated stove-pipe, the Rev. Alfred 'Bully' Burton.

This case came under the notice of The Sunday Times of Western Australia in 1907
and shows up the methods of these sectarian-bossed orphanages at their worst,
and reveals a scandalous abuse not to be borne in a free country.
There was an idea at this time that the days of civil and religious despotism
were done-at least in Australia- But it would seem to have been a fallacy,

There are many people associated with the early days of the eastern gold
fields who will recollect Charlie Porter. He was the typical Australian prospector;
a well-known figure at every rush, one of the first men on Broken Hill, and one of
the multitude, who hit out in the wake of Bayley.
Like so many of his class he died poor, and his widow, after a brave struggle
to support her little family, was obliged to seek the aid of charity.
Through the agency of Warden Finnerty, she got her two eldest boys admitted to
the Swan Orhanage.
The mother was almost heart-broken at parting with her children, but
solaced herself with the reflection--that when the good times dawned on her
she would be able to get them out and lavish a maternal care on them until
the day came for them to quit the family roof-tree.
But she didn't know the sort of 'philanthropy' that rules at Swan Orphanage. It is
four years and four months since her boys became wards of the Anglican Church.
And they are so yet.
In course of time a change came over the fortunes of Mrs. Porter.
She married again, and two of her brothers secured good positions in Westralia.
She thus became in a position to support her boys, and after a
natural delay, due to her anxiety to make sure that
her prosperity was permanent and not transitory--that after getting the,
children from the Orphanage she should not be obliged to send them back?
she finally applied for permission to resume control of her children.
It goes without saying that the latter have not been happy in their Dotheboys Hall.
Apart from their natural preference for the society of their own mother and little
sisters, they, in common with the other victims, complain of the poor fare,
the bitter grind, and the gloomy Puritanism supplied in Burton's Boeotian retreat:
The elder boy, who is now 14, expressed a desire to go out to work,
in order to be a help to his step-father, who?more power to him !?
is perfectly willing to support the children, but doesn't get more than 10s, a day.
This fact was innocently mentioned by the anxious mother to the
Reverend Burton, and the following letter will show how
he made use of it :-

"Dear Madam,
Your application for your two sons, George and Charley Porter,
was considered by the committee at last meeting.
The committee feel quite confident that their interests and
welfare will be far more securely conserved while under the
control of the manager than if returned to you.
It has therefore been decided that they shall both remain here.
If you had applied for them at the time you married again,
as soon as you were in a position, to keep them, and not when
the elder one is, on your own proposition,
ready to go out and earn wages, the application
might have been differently received.

Yours truly,
"A. BURTON."


[When the mother brought that amazing document to the "Sunday Times," we were willing
to believe that the last word had not been said on the subject, and arranged that she
should interview Bishop Riley. But the Bishop merely told her, in effect, that
"the matter was in the hands of Mr.Burton." which means that the mother
will not get her children if Burton can prevent her. Which means that his Lordship
Bishop Riley actually considers the paternal (?) rule of Bowelless Burton better
for the boys than the loving care of their mother Which sets up the astounding
proposition that the Anglican Church has more right to children to whom it gave
temporary refuge "for charity's sake" than their own decent, capable and natural
guardian? the mother who bore them. Which asserts that the church owns its orphans,
body and soul until they attain their legal majority; postulates, in fact, that the
Anglican Church (which has no civil rights or powers beyond those of the Hokes or
the Seventh Day Adventists) runs a state within a state, and is above the law
of West Australia.
This enormously impudent assumption of private property in children may have been quite
legal in Italy 300 -years ago. It may also be conceded in the Russia of to day.
But in a free-State of the free Australian Commonwealth in the year of grace 1907 it is
nothing else than a shriekinging anachronism and a gross abuse of privilege.
It is opposed both to law and to human nature; it rests on an injustice;
it can't stand the test of critical examination, from any direction. As we take it,
the only "right" by which the church holds these chil dren is the right of possession;
And if the mother chooses to exercise her natural and legal rights as a parent and
forcibly removes her boys from the Swan Orphanage, what power in W. A.
can punish her for it ?. Certainly not the church, for it doesn't possess any
punitive powers in addition to the flesh and blood proprietorship which it arrogates.
Certainly not the State, since maternal love is a more precious consideration that
the 'pecuniary welfare of any religious organisation. And although the law is a
strange and inconsistent aflair, and a frail reed to lean a conjecture on we hardly
think any court of law would punish a decent and capable mother for forcibly assuming
her maternal right to feed, clothe, and cherish her fatherless little ones.

We haven't given the woman this advice. We are procuring an opinion as to the
legal aspects of the position in order to enable her to proceed with! certitude.

But the public may take this for granted-
The "Sunday Times" is going to get those children out.

This paper is going to burst the bubble of ecclesiastical arrogance which usurps
proprietary rights over human flesh and blood. The real guardian of these
children is the STATE.
The church is merely a deputy guardian liable to be removed at any time.
By a simple exercise of its supreme power, the State, through its executive, can
wipe away the whole com geries of sectarian orphanages and give the guardianship of
the children into secular hands.
And if all the sectarian orphanages, which God forfend, are run like Bully Burtons barracks
for boy slaves, the soonest the State does this the better.
If the sectarian orphanages have it as a principle that their charter of guardianship
is superior to the God-given right of a mother to feed, clothe and cherish the babes that
she bore, and who were suckled at her breast, it is the bounden duty of the W.A.
Government to sweep them into nothingness, as the Clemenceau Government is doing in France.]

19 May 1907, Western Australia

'This is the narrative of " Uncle Jim"
Being the personal experience of a " Sunday Times" scribe who rescued George Porter from the clutches of Parson Bully Burton, and also forced him, later on, to disgorge George's little brother Charlie.

It was suggested in the office that as the pedagogue-parson seemed impervious to all
sense of humanity, kidnapping of at least one of the boys would precipitate matters.
Writer therefore was introduced to, the mother of the boys ; and assumed the name and
family status of their "Uncle Jim" there being such a person in
the Stott menage.

To lend an air of realism to the family expedition in going out to reconnoitre,
writer's status was fully maintained : Christian names on both sides being, allowed.
In this way family feticity was well-established.

The first shock; came on its way out.
The Rev. Burton was met half-way!

Knowing the mother would at all times endeavor to obtain possession
of her babies; and as she was known to the Rev. B. a judicious
re-arrangement, and shuffle of Veils,
arms, and waists fully persuaded the passing parson that it was
nothing more deadly than a two-and-carry-one-picnic.

The mother was dropped near the soon-to-be-historic river and
bridge, and Auntie Hettie and Uncle Jim drove boldly into the
fearsome fortresses.

Half-a-hundred anxious-eyed boys attired in all sorts and conditions of clothing,
paused in their work as the buggy stopped and Auntie Hettie went to spy the land.

The matron came down like a Nor'West willy-willy when Charlie Porter
was asked for.

Suddenly both youngsters came running up from the marsh fields wherein
they were working, severe chest complaints being evidently thought a
trifle at this modern "Dotheboy's Hall".

Then the Superintendent sighted the party and also came down at a Postle-like swing.

"Auntie Hettie was Privately "wording" the boys as to "Uncle Jim from the Fields" when
the Super swooped down, confiscated the silver coin just handed to the lads and,
making an entry re: it being "invested for them until they were 21," offered to show
the party around.

While "the Super, primed Uncle Jim up with the beauties and benefits of being a
juvenile helot under Burton Squeers; the said quick-witted Auntie Hettie
ambled around ostensibly admiring the ducks, pigs, cabbages, mud and other
products of the orphan farm.. '

When a mental map of the locality had been made the boys were told to
be in the lane between 7 and 8 that evening, and they might have a chance
for liberty.

Uncle Jim then drove his dearly beloved sisters back to Midland, gave the
buggy up to the livery stable, sent the ladies home by train and walked back
in the dark to the Orphanage.
Four hours of weary crawling and crouching amongst logs, wire fences pig-styes, etc,
failed to find the boys, the only break to the monotony being the sounds of evening
service held in the adjacent church. Eventually, after having, ruined a suit of clothes
per medium of farm slush and wire fencess : and having been severely trodden on
by a vagrant cow ; Uncle Jim deployed furtively back to town, heart-sick
and disconsolate.

Another rescue expedition was formed on the following Saturday morning-
the parties being a well-known scribe, the step-father of the boys, and Uncle Jim.

This time a complete swaggy's disguise was assumed out in the bush by Uncle Jim, who,
leaving the others secreted under the river bridge, trudged over the ploughed paddock
past the spot where by the aid of a powerful pair of field glasses he located George Porter.

Stopping momentarily, and pointing over toward Ferguson's vineyard
as if inquiring his way, the disguised Uncle Jim passed a hurried word
to the boy to be at a certain spot on the river bank while the other boys
were busy at lunch.
"Bring Charlie," he whispered. "If that isn't possible, come alone."

'An hour later Uncle Jim, the other pressman, and the step-dad, crouching in the river
reeds, saw with quickly-beating hearts a pathetic little figure stealing warily
from tuft to tuft of sheltering grass and bush, from boulder to tree stump,
and from hill to gully.
Nearer and nearer he came, stumbling and slipping by the muddy ooze of the river sedges,
until he came to a big Willow tree, lying prone by the bank. Here the little hero,
opened his guernsey, slipped something grey and alive into the hollow log, and
continued his journey of escape.
The something grey and alive was a half-grown possum, caught by George. at that spot
a week before, and thinking his brother might be soon also rescued, and not having
confidence in leaving his pet with others, he gave it its liberty !

A minute later he reached a spot opposite his rescuers, and began to strip for the swim across.

A whispered shout was wafted to him to cross by the bridge. -To this he shook his head meaningly.
His rescuers soon saw the reason. The bridge stood up and out, in full view of not
only the Orphanage, but of the parsonage, the church, and the cottages of half-a-dozen
local farm laborers.
- He was half undressed, when Uncle Jim and the daily scribe, stripping! in
lightening time, plunged in, crossed the river, and escorted the gallant
little kiddie across.

After a necessarily, hurried towelling with soft dry grass, the party set
out for home and mummy,
the scribe and the step-dad going away ostentatiously towards Midland Junction.
Uncle Jim and the boy Georgie snaking along, slow, tortuous skirt along the entire
river bank to Guildford,

Before half a mile was covered, a score of stops were made to allow the boy to convulsively
cough and rack his poor iittle frame until he lay panting and exhausted on the river bank.
So slow was the progress that at the end of two hours a mile and a half only had been covered.

After crawling and creeping through rail and wire fences, through and under prickly bushes
and hurdles that barred the track, Uncle Jim called a halt in a gully, planted his weary
little, charge in a hollow covered with boughs, and passing himself off as the skipper of
a broken-down motor-launch, hypnotised a farm slavey for a bottle of milk.
That slavey is hereby asked to forgive the fiction, as is also the presiding genius
of the Lord's Recording Diary.

Further down the river, as the poor little truant was now thoroughly done up,
a punt was commandeered and, using a bough as a paddle it was gondoliered down stream.

Owner of said punt is likewise apologised to, and asked to forgive the sin and trespass.

Near the Guildford bridge, George was again planted, while Uncle Jim, giving him an amazing
list of fictions in case of an inquisitive bail-up, made his apparently casual way to
the Rose and Crown, where the daily scribe and step-dad were unearthed (by appointment)
-assimlating their fifth pint of shandy.

A, 'phone to Perth brought out a pair of speedy nags and a double seated waggonette for
the drive home, the police by this time, right through from Midland to Perth, being busy
examining each and every carriage and trap on railway and road.

Uncle Jim, going back to the poor little, waiting waif, with lemonade and biscuits,
found him still huddled under his covering of leaves and bark, and it was, glad arms,
and hearts beating with thankful emotion, that an hour later swung" him from under the
seat into his. mother's arms.

When Uncle Jim and Georgie separated from the others at the "Sunday Times" office,
and had invaded a restaurant, a barber's shop, and
Sir. James Brennan's emporium (that gentleman having generously clothed the boy from top to toe),
the ultimate destination, Applecross, was reached about midnight.

Monday brought the staggering news that the Rev. Squeers Burton had invoked the
combined forces of Law and Order to hound down the dastardly miscreant who had dared
to prefer his mother's arms and domestic joys to the cold comforts of thc barracks on the Swan Riven,

Then Richard Haynes, K.C., took the said law by the large, ignominious ear, and pointed
out the fact that the law was the same old ass of aforetime, and any impulsive John Hop,
burgling the bough-shed of Uncle Jim at Applecross would land the Government into a
financial muddle that would take some thousands of bright, golden quids to square.

Before the squelching of the warrant came, a dozen policemen and troopers
had scoured the landscape in search of that abandoned felon, to-wit, George Porter,
their instructions being to place him in the lowest and darkest dungeon of the Swan Coffinage.

The acumen of Haynes, K.C., the good sense of Gus Roe, P.M., the whole-hearted ardor and
generosity of Dr. Taaffe, and sundry 'assistance from friends and sympathisers,
eventually squelched the illegitimate criminal warrant and to-day young Georgie Porter
is revelling in God's great glad sunshine on the hills of Applecross,
in place of fretting his little soul out, behind the prison boundaries of Squeers Burton.

Yesterday he was a child grown into man's moodiness, through harshness
and restraint." To-day he is a real, live boy, albeit a sickly one,
but a boy with bright, sunny surroundings, and all that youth should'
have, before the woes of manhood dry the blood, and sour the heart to sordidness.


This was the menu for the boys in the orphanage up until the Burton Regime finished;
Breakfast Porridge (made very thin, with no milk,
and the sugar boiled with it for economy's sake),
dry bread to mop it up with.
Dinner/lunch -Soup and bread (no meat or vegetables except what
are in the soup-very little soup if you happen to be late).
Tea -One slice of bread and jam or bread and honey, dry bread to
fill up with, and a mug of cocoa.
Butter is seen by the boys, at the very-most, never more than three times a year.
Many of the boys attended the State School at Middle Swan and relied on crusts
of bread and anything else they were given by the non-orphanage pupils.

The West Australian, Monday 12 June 1911
THE SWAN BOYS' ORPHANAGE.
RESIGNATION OF THE REV. A. BURTON.

The inquest concerning the death of the boy George Jones, who died recently
in the Children's Hospital, whither he was taken by his mother from the
Swan Boys' Orphanage, will be resumed at the Coroner's Court on Tuesday, June 20.
The case is exciting a great deal of interest, and Detective Dempsey, who is
conducting the investigations, has subpoenaed a large number of witnesses.
It was ascertained last night that the Rev. Alfred Burton, the manager
of the orphanage, tendered his resignation to the committee of management, after
Mr. F. D. North, C.M,G., had concluded' his recent inquiry into several charges
relating to the conduct of the institution, and that it was accepted.

NOTES:
George Jones was only 9
He died from a cut on his leg which was left untreated.
He was told he was shamming and although he was in excruciating pain
he was made to walk to school for four days, aided by his brothers.


Aunty Hettie in this story is Henrietta Louisa LEARY, Maria Charlotte's sister,
she was born 1888 in Hotham, Victoria and married Frederick William Denning
in Perth in 1910, They were living at 313 Goderich-street, East Perth,
when she died in December 1950, she's interred at the Anglican Cemetery.
Karrakatta.

Georgie and Charlie's mother was
Maria Charlotte LEARY b: Hotham, Victoria in 1872 to Henry LEARY and
Mary Ann Gertrude Griggs. She died in Brunswick, Victoria in 1948.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) Sat 5 June 1948
STOTT.—
On May 30, at her daughter's residence. Mrs. Ada Vincent
13 Victoria-grove. East Brunswick. Marie Charlotte, beloved wife of William
Henry Stott. loving mother-in-law of Bill, loving grandmother of George.
Ron, Dorothy, Keith, Merle, Betty Ada, loving great-grandmother of Lorraine,
Brian and baby Dorothy. In God's care.

In Melbourne in 1890 Maria Charlotte 1st. married Charles Porter,
born abt. 1865 died in Kalgoorlie in 1900, age 36.
Kalgoorlie Miner (WA) Friday 6 April 1900
Deep regret was expressed in Coolgardie yesterday when it became
known that Charles Porter, a well-known prospector, had died
at the Government Hospital after a short illness.
Deceased had been a good deal worried of late,
which culminated in him being admitted to the hospital on
Monday last, and he succumbed yesterday to heart failure.
Porter had been seven years on the fields,and had discovered several
shows, some of which he had disposed of to advantage.
He was well-known at Broken Hill before coming to West
Australia, and he was prospector of the mine known as Tarrawingee Flux,
situated a few miles out of Broken Hill.
The deceased was an indomitable prospector, and was always
confident of striking something rich, but he was always a
generous man with a sympathetic heart for the sufferings of others,
therefore it is no wonder he died poor.
Deceased was about 38 years of age,
and leaves a widow and five young
children, the eldest of whom is only nine
years of age, to mourn their loss. The
remains of the deceased will be intered
at 3 o'clock this afternoon in the Coolgardie cemetery

When Charles Porter died he left five children living.
3 girls and 2 boys.
1. Minnie Gertrude Porter born 1891 in Norwood, South Australia and twin,
married John O'Malley in Perth in 1909. Divorced him on the 22 September 1923.
Minnie next married Herbert Flint in 1924.
Minnie Gertrude FLINT died in Perth in 1966.

2. Roseina Porter b: 1891 in Norwood, South Australia

3. George Henry Porter b: 1893 in South Australia

4. Charles Leary Porter b: 1896 Brunswick, Victoria
He joined the 16th Battallion A.I.F at Blackboy Hill, WA
on the 19 July 1916
Embarked from Fremantle on the 'Argyleshire for
France on 9 November 1916
Poor Charlie died of wounds on the 27 September 1917 at the
2nd. Canadian Casualty Clearing Station in Belgium.
Burial at Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery, Lijssenthoek, Flanders, Belgium

A.I.F. Records


5. Ada Victoria Porter b: 1898 in Coolgardie WA. married
Robert Kerss in Perth in 1924. Ada Victoria died in Perth
in 1948.

6. Florrie L

Her second husband was William Henry STOTT,
born about 1880 and died in (I think 1974 in Parkville, Victoria, age 94)
(I did have a death for him in Richmond in 1942 but have since found
that particular W.H.Stott was a single man.)
they married in Perth in 1904.
Their children were:-
1.William Henry Stott was born in 1905 in Perth, W.A. and
died in Prahran, Victoria, in 1984, age 79.
Albert E. Stott born 1907, Perth. W.A. died in Heidelberg, Victoria in 1970.

Moved to Victoria abt 1917
Young Georgie was born George Henry Porter on the
4 April 1893 in South Australia.
I'm uncertain about the following, but perhaps George married
Joyce Mills in Western Australia in 1936 and remained in Western Australia.
Children of this couple were Alvie, Leslie and Faye

Charlie was taken from the orphanage 4 days after Georgie.

NOTE:-
Charles Leary Porter's name is located at panel 80 in the Commemorative Area at the Australian War Memorial
Charles Leary Porter's name will be projected onto the exterior of the Hall of Memory on:
Wed 11 July 2018 at 2:27am
Sat 25 August 2018 at 12:35am
Tue 16 October 2018 at 3:27am

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by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-28 11:36:21

Georgie was my grandmothers brother.I last time I saw Uncle George was on the station in Perth as my nana and I were coming back to Melbourne.

by janilye on 2018-06-28 14:59:53

Sorry this journal was closed due to a site problem; I've just opened it so you should now be able to read the story.
You're related! that's interesting. Which of the children was your grandmother?
I should follow up on this as far as the family goes. Maybe you can give me a hand.

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-29 11:41:20

Thank you.I knew all about this but this is the first time I have seen this site.A lot of detail. My grandmother was Ada Porter. I will help with any information. We are doing our family tree. I have a photo of George's parents Charles and Charlotte with Paddy Hannen. My grandmother Ada had the original WA paper with Story of the kidnapping apparently on the front page.We never found it after she died.We think she gave it to another family member.
This article is so detailed.My brother and cousins will be very interested when I show them.

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-29 11:48:58

There was a Florrie my grandmothers youngest sister. I noticed she isnt mentioned.There doesnt appear to be any birth certificate. She married a John Noonan.He actually went by two names..

by janilye on 2018-06-29 14:31:08

Florrie L. was born after Charles Porter's death. A death certificate might clear up the mystery.

The story above from the Times had it's detractors in the public sector but mainly from a rival newspaper "The Truth" which I did not print here.
I will put the links here for you to make up your own mind.
Also the 'Truth' story contains some interesting family 'facts' whether you believe them or not. The Truth newspaper was not known for it's truth but for it's tabloid sensationalism.
From these links you will be able to print the pages.
Digitised Newspapers

by janilye on 2018-06-29 15:14:22

You'll notice in the Truth story they mention Mrs. Griffiths.- This is Ada Maud LEARY, sister to Maria Charlotte LEARY; she married Francis Whitfield in Coolgardie in 1897 then Seth Griffiths in 1900 in Kalgoorlie. The Dr. Claudius Swanston case was an inquest into the death of a woman named Olive Hanley in childbirth, April 1907

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-30 01:03:11

Thank you for your help. I am the Dorothy mentioned in Charlottes death notice. Lorraine is one of my cousins working on this.Brian her brother is deceased. I think Florrie died in Bitcon WA. I am with ancestry and saw it on there. I will check it out.Someone in geneology told me they couldnt find any birth certificates for her in Vic SA or WA.When I went to Perth with my grandmother I met Florrie and also Minnie. I was told Uncle George only had one leg.Not sure about that. We were told Ada and Florrie were sent to a convent and George kidnapped them from there. Charlotte had remarried by then. I spoke to my brother and apparently it was the kidnapping of Ada and Florrie who made front page news. I dont know if there is any truth in that.
I will check out the link you sent.
Cheers..

by janilye on 2018-06-30 04:00:57

Florrie was between 18 months and 2 years old in June 1907. according to Mini she was her step sister. So she was born around Christmas 1905.
Yet according to this article Stott denied Florrie was his child.
I have learned the hard way that not everything you read in the newspapers is true. So I would not like to perpetuate a story which may not be true. But you can make up your own mind. Kidnapped Porters

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-30 07:29:44

Thats interesting. I havent had time to check ancestry.My grandmother told me Florrie was a year old Nana was born december 1898 and Florrie in december 1899.I remember Florrie died in 1995.
My grandmother told me it was her and Florrie who were kidnapped from the convent by George. And it made front headlines which she purportedly had a copy which disappeared.My brother said he actually saw it..I have been trying to chase that up.We dont know where my grandmother lived or whether it was with her mother. Ada also had a son George in Fremantle. There are a couple of different stories who is his real father.
Apparently Charlotte and Will Stott came across to Melbourne via boat under the name of Brown.My grandmother followed with her son George.My mothers stepbrother who no one knew for a long time he was a vincent. Except me.
You are right dont believe everything you read in newspapers.
Nana never told us about George and Charlie she may have been too young to remember. I dont know.I found out on Trove a couple of years ago and apparently the family never heard the story either.As I said all we were told was Ada and Florrie had been kept in a convent.

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-30 08:56:03

Sorry I meant Ada's eldest George was not a Vincent There was a Florrie we visited in Fremantle who had a hairdressing salon.She also came over for Betty Vincents wedding and did our hairs.I am not sure who this Auntie Florrie was.

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-30 09:25:17

Wow I just read the Trove article.That is interesting.I know Stotty as they called him here, treated her terribly but she stayed with him.Most of the family had nothing to do with him. One of my aunties whom I was very close to her name was Lillian Stott she was the daughter of William Stott his parents of course Charlotte and Stotty.I know on that side all I heard about was how nice he was. My grandmother went to a convent school. She said when she was fourteen she lived with a lady on a farm.Well what she told me wasnt very nice.She used to tell all the time the step father didnt want the kids. Wanted them all out. There is a letter I have seen written by Charlotte to a bank manager asking for help with money.I was often told she had money but my greatgrandfather died poor.

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-30 09:37:58

I would like to tell you other things.They are very private.Famiy wouldnt be happy sharing on here.

by Dorothy1983 on 2018-06-30 12:44:54

Just want to apologise I was talking to someone and accidently pressed block user

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