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TULLAMARINE WAR MEMORIAL, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

Journal by itellya

I discovered recently that many names on the war memorial at the corner of Dalkeith Avenue and Broadmeadows Rd, Tullamarine cannot be viewed from the footpath and have asked Joshua Bull, the local state member for Sunbury, to help me to rectify the situation.

I have written an 88 page word document giving details about those named on the memorial but in some cases no service record could be matched to a name with any certainty. I have no photos of any of the men so if any members of their families can provide them it would be greatly appreciated.

If anyone would like a copy, send me a FTC private message providing your email address and I'll attach the file in an email reply.

The names on the memorial are:
A.ALLEN, L.ANDERSON, W.DERMODY, A.McP.FERGUSON, T.L.GILLIGAN, Y.GRIEG, A.HARPER, C.HICKOX, S.HICKS, H.A.LANE, A.V.LANE, J.H.LOVE, J.S.LAZARUS, E.LUDEMANN (LUDEMAN), G.A.McKENZIE,J.A.G. McNAB, F.B.NASH, C.SMITH, F.C.VAUGHAN, C.WRIGHT, F.WRIGHT, J.WILLIAMS, H.WILLIAMS, C.WILSON, J.M.YOUNG, J.WILLIAMSON,
KILLED IN ACTION
F.LYNCH, J.W.L.JOHNSON, G.MULDOWNEY, P.D.MANSFIELD, S.M.HILL, A.E.LANE, W.A.FURPHY, J.HANDLEN, M.McRAE
(W.W.2) A.J.COCK, H.P.DOYLE.

SOME ENTRIES WILL BE ADDED HERE LATER.

A.ALLEN
No A. Allen is mentioned in the Anzac Project in connection with Tullamarine and without a given name, it will be a marathon effort to discover his identity.
TELEPHONE TO BULLA
AT the meeting of the Bulla Council on Monday, Cr. M'Dougall asked whether the Council would take steps to secure a telephone service to Bulla. He suggested that the Postmaster-General be interviewed on the matter. Some time ago Mr. Allen, of Tullamarine, had asked
the Department what would be the cost of supplying a service to that township but was told that the Department did not think the business transacted would pay for the cost of a telephone. However, if the service was supplied to Bulla, places along the route could be connected and thus make it payable. (P.2, The Sunbury News, 25-8-1900.)
POSTSCRIPT- The above Mr Allen was the father of A.Allen as revealed at the end of the marathon.

J.Allen was listed in Keilor’s 1868 rate record so he was on the west side of Bulla Rd.
POSTSCRIPT-No known link to A. Allen.


PRESENTATION TO MR. H. H. ALLEN.
At the conclusion of the tennis match Tullamarine v. Brunswick West (played on Mr. J. Johnson's courts at Tullamarine last Saturday. and won by the former by49 games to 37). Mr. P. Johnson. on behalf of the members of the Tullamarine tennis club, presented Mr. H. H. Allen with a beautiful silver specimen vase as a token of esteem and good fellowship. In doing so. he expressed the regret of the members in losing so prominent a player, andone who always "played the game." Both on and off the court. and wished Mr. Allen a successful and prosperous time in Geelong. Mr. Allen suitably acknowledged the gift. thanking the members for their kindness. (The Essendon Gazette and Keilor, Bulla and Broadmeadows Reporter (Moonee Ponds, Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 23 July 1914 p 4 Article)
POSTSCRIPT-NO KNOWN LINK TO A. ALLEN.

The tennis court was on “Glendewar” between the present Melbourne Airport and the Moonee Ponds Creek. (Photo in word document.)




HENRY WILLIAMS’ LETTER.
There was a teacher named Mr Allen who taught at the Tullamarine school and had a son named Arthur according to this letter written by Colin Williams’ older brother Henry, who was born at Brunswick but the family moved onto “Broombank” at Tullamarine when Henry was about one year old.
Event:
births Registration number 17286 / 1887 Family name: WILLIAMS Given name(s) Henry Place of event: BRUN, Australia Mother Catherine nee ELLIS Father's Name: Thomas Smith
Tullamarine.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE AGE
Sir,— As a reader of "The Age," also my people before me, I must express my very great interest in the letters appearing each week about old school days. I noticed letters about Brunswick Central, where my sisters went, I also very well remember them speaking of the Head teacher (Mr. Hayden). As for the old scholars, I happen to know some myself as they are now.

I am an old scholar who first attended Tullamarine State school, No,2613, about forty-one years ago, also my sisters and brothers. The first teacher that I remember teaching me was Mrs.James Howse, whose husband was for many years on the Brunswick cable trams as a gripman, and has lately retired. They had one girl, Evelyn. We had another teacher, who was named Mr. Frost. He had one son, as far as I remember, named Frank; also, I well remember that he used to drive a pair of horses in a buggy. As far as I can recall, one was a bay, and the other was a white horse named Calm. We had a young woman assisting named Nell Nash, who afterwards married a man named Mr. Cooper*, who passed away a few years ago. Mr. Frost used to tell us stories quite a lot, but you got something, very, much different to stories if you did not behave.
(*Mark Cooper after whom Coopers Hill Drive in Westmeadows was named.)


We had another teacher named Mr. E.E.Allen. This man was a splendid teacher, very strict. He used to keep the scholars well in their place as regards discipline, but he was very popular with all he came in contact with. Mrs. Allen used to assist him in the school work. What grand 'times' we had when Mr. Allen, used to go outside and hide some very nice
presents in some secret sort of place, then let the scholars out to search for them. Also, he used to give scrambles for sweets. Mr. Allen was fond of flowers and trees, so quite a lot of the scholars had nice gardens of their own. I remember also that Mrs. Allen got the scholars to bring to school pieces of tin, on which she painted each scholar's name. Then she got the plate put on the fence, and nearby was planted a nice tree, such as a gum tree, pepper tree or pine tree, but the gums did best. Mr. Allen also had a horse and buggy. The horse's name was Jack. One day, as it was very stormy, a scholar, Walter Mansfield, ran around the corner of the stable, then came into contact with Jack, receiving a very nasty kick. Mr. Allen, I think, had one little boy at the time, named Arthur. When he left the school Mr. Allen was missed very much, as he was such a splendid, teacher. I would very much like to know if he is still living, also as to his wife and family.

There was another teacher who came there just before I left school named Miss Flattley, a very nice, young woman, who was very well liked by us all, as when we were a bit unruly or were a bit slack in our work, she had a very nice habit of making us stand gazing at the pictures for a few minutes. One day I and some other boys went down a neighboring paddock exploring, and when we returned school was in. so when asked where had we been, I said, "Exploring places, Miss." So she said, "Kindly explore the pictures on the wall for a few
minutes." That suited us very nicely.

Some of the very old scholars that I remember were the Parrs. Daveys, Wordsworths, Andersons, Willie Piper, Gerald McCann, Butterworths, Holly, Vaughans, Alick McNabb, Mansfields, Alice and Walter, Leslie Junor, Hills, Wrights (two families, not related), Rollasons, Waters (of the P.O.), Handlens, Grants, Cullifords, Wheatleys, Nash, Jimmy Cook,
Willie Valentine, Kelly, Williamsons (Johnnie and Florie).

How nice it would be to see a reunion of old scholars at this school. This. I am sure, would cause great joy to many old scholars. — Yours,
Mitcham.' HENRY WILLIAMS. (P.8, The Age, 12-10-1935.)
IF HENRY HAD READ THE AGE ON APRIL FOOLS’ DAY, 1905, HE MAY NEVER HAVE WRITTEN THIS WONDERFUL LETTER. IF I HAD FOUND THE ARGUS* ARTICLE ON THAT DAY FIRST, I WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN ALEC RASMUSSEN’S BIOGRAPHY TO PROVE THAT HIS TENURE OF 20 YEARS WAS NOT AT THE CASTLEMAINE SCHOOL, BUT AT TULLAMARINE’S. Silver lining and all that!
*- https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12224735

Fred wasn’t exaggerating about Mr Allen!
TULLAMARINE STATE SCHOOL. – The report of Inspector Summons, M.A.,LL.B., on the above school and that of Kalkallo, says that their ' pleasing appearance merits special recommendation. In the case of these schools a silent but effective object lesson in cleanliness and neatness is continually before the eyes of the scholars. It is hard to estimate the beneficial results of such teaching. Would that such lessons were more common!' Things seen are mightier than things heard.' . . . It must be borne in mind that the careful and artistic arrangement of all the school material and of all pictures and illustrations is a silent but very effective lesson in good taste, and will go far to make children love order and neatness.'

'Mr. E. E. Allen, the teacher, has received the following letter from Mr. W. McLean, Secretary to the Education Department :-' Sir,-I have the pleasure of informing you that the District Inspector has brought under the notice of the director the excellent work done by you at the above-named school in beautifying and improving the school buildings and grounds. I have to convey to you the commendation of the Director, and to inform you that the substance of the Inspector's report, as testimony to exceptional interest in your school, will be duly noted in your record as an officer of the Department.' It is also to be noted that the Tullamarine school was awarded a first prize of £5 for best kept garden and school grounds in Metropolitan District No. 4. The prize money has been spent on improvements to the gardens and schoolroom, and small rewards. (P.2, The Sunbury News, 25-10-1902.)

WAS THIS THE BIRTH OF ARTHUR?
BIRTHS.
ALLEN.—On the 30th November, at State School, Tullamarine, the wife of E. E. Allen of a son. (P.1, Argus, 16-12-1897.)
YES!!!!!

ALLEN Arthur Robert, Birth, Mother:Frances Helena, nee HOLCOMBE
Father: Edward Ernest; Place birth registered*:KEILOR
Year, Reg.No. (1898 4155/1898)

*Tullamarine and Broadmeadows Township had registrars, Fred Wright and George Couser respectively, but they were apparently only electoral registrars so Mr A. Allen would have had to go to Robert George Ely’s post office at Keilor.

By 1904, Mr Allen had moved to Moe Swamp State School and had been replaced by Miss Jessie Rowe, formerly at the Holden School.
ALLEN.—On the 27th January, at Mr. R. A. Gibson's, "Clonlara," Port Fairy, the wife of E. E.Allen, teacher state school, Moe Swamp, Trafalgar—a daughter. Both well.
(P.1, Argus, 3-2-1904.)

SEND OFF. — Very sincere regret has been expressed on all hands in the Tullamarine district at the departure of Mr.E. E. Allen from the local school to the State school at Moe Swamp, close to Trafalgar. Mr. and Mrs. Allen have resided for a little over eight years in Tullamarine, and evinced much interest in public and church* matters. The residents decided to accord them a public a send-off, and a large gathering assembled on Friday night, the 17th inst., at the school.

Cr. J. H. Parr, Correspondent of the Board of Advice, presided, and after expressing regret, and speaking in eulogistic terms of Mr. and Mrs. Allen, he presented a beautiful teapot, suitably inscribed, and a neatly carved eight-day clock, as a token of esteem from the residents. Master W.Wright, in a neat speech. expressed the regrets and good wishes of the scholars, and, as a parting gift from the pupils, presented Mr. Allen with a chaste E.P. and cut glass inkstand, which was neatly engraved. The inkstand was accompanied by a solid silver pen. A pleasant evening was spent., songs being contributed by Misses Nash, Edis, and Ferguson, Mrs. McNab, Mrs. Allen, and Messrs. Handlen and Allen.

Games and refreshments completed a very enjoyable evening. Mr. and Mrs Allen carry with them all good wishes for their prosperity and happiness in their new sphere of labour. The Tullamarine (school) has been awarded first prize of £5 for best school gardens and neatly kept grounds in metropolitan district No. 4, for the second consecutive year. Miss Rowe, the new teacher, was tendered a complimentary social on leaving the Holden school for Tullamarine. — 'Essendon Gazette.' (P.2, The Sunbury News, 25-4-1903.)

ARTHURS MOTHER DIED AT MARYBOROUGH IN 1928.
ALLEN.-On the 12th November, at 19 Barkly Street, Maryborough, Frances Helena (Nell), beloved wife of E.E. Allen (returning officer for Corangamite), daughter of the late William Holcombe, Heasleigh, Byaduk, loving mother of Arthur, Frances (deceased), and Bert, aged 59 years, formerly of Tullamarine, Trafalgar, Dunkeld, Warrenheip.
Deeply regretted.
Forever with the Lord. (P.1, Argus, 13-11-1928.)

Arthur ALLEN
Regimental number 2249
Place of birth Melbourne, Victoria
Religion Church of England
Occupation Farm labourer
Address Alexander Road, Ringwood, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 18
Next of kin Father, Ernest Allen, Alexandra Road, Ringwood, Victoria
Enlistment date 8 May 1916
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 20 September 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 37th Battalion, 3rd Reinforcement

AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/54/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A9 Shropshire on 25 September 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 38th Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 21 January 1919

ARTHUR’S DEATH AND FUNERAL NOTICES AND DEATH RECORD.
ALLEN, Arthur Robert (Barney). On September 25 (suddenly) at Ferny Creek, dearly loved husband of Elsie, of 17 Gould street, Frankston, loving father of Bruce (deceased) and Barry, loved brother of Bert, late of McKinnon late 39th Battalion 1st A. I. F. -So mote it be.
ALLEN.—The Funeral of the late Mr. ARTHUR ROBERT (Barney) ALLEN will leave the Bathurst memorial chapel, corner Glenhuntly and Kooyong roads, Elsternwick, on MONDAY, after a service commencing at 11 a.m. for the St. Kilda Cemetery.
(Both P.11, Argus, 26-9-1952.)
N.B. 37th and 38th Battalion in service record.
ALLEN Arthur Robert Death
Mother: France Helena, nee UNKNOWN, Father: ALLEN Edward
Places of birth and death: TULLAMARINE, FERNY CREEK
Age, year, reg. no. (54 1952 11591/1952)

Arthur Allen's name was the first on the memorial and although I was stumped for a week or so, incredible detail was discovered due to Henry Williams' letter.


H.P.Doyle's name was the last. The memorial was almost full so there was no way known that all of those who served in W.W.2,such as Colin Williams, could be included*. I knew exactly where his family lived at Tullamarine, so his biography was going to be a piece of cake. Little did I know that he became a teacher and that so much information was available on trove.

WHY TWO EXTRA NAMES WERE ADDED ON THE MEMORIAL.
While writing TULLAMARINE: BEFORE THE JETPORT in 1998, I found an old Tullamarine Progress Association minute book up to 1954 and was able to include some information in the Tullamarine chronology.
P.28. “1948. The Tullamarine Progress Association resolved that the names of A Cock (Glenview) and B.Doyle (Of Ristaro, formerly Reddan’s Brightview) be added to the War Memorial, both having been killed.’


H.P. DOYLE
Herbert P (Bert) Doyle, killed in action at Tobruk on July 19, loved son of Mrs and the late J P Doyle, of Tullamarine and brother of Jim, Kath, Jack, Nan (Mrs F.O'Conner, Sunshine) and Bill R.I.P. (P.4, Argus, 15-8-1941.)


The Doyles lived on a 200 acre farm, named ”Ristaro”, fronting the north side of Sharps Rd west of The Fisher Grove houses to Keilor Park Drive (formerly Fosters Rd.) They had arrived by 1933 and in the 1950’s a member of the family, probably John Edward, was a Shire of Keilor councillor. The farm was compulsorily acquired by the D.C.A. (Department of Civil Aviation) circa 1961 and the Doyle homestead (just west of the buffer zone plantation) probably built in the early 1900’s by Michael Reddan from Bulla who called the 200 acre farm “Brightview”, was leased by the Ball family whose daughter, Peggy was one of my pupils at Tullamarine in 1973 and helped at the Kindergarten Gala Day, raising considerable money by giving children rides on her Shetland pony.
NOTICE Is hereby given, that after the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof, application will be made to the Supreme Court of the State of Victoria, in its Probate Jurisdiction, that PROBATE of the WILL, dated 3rd February, 1932, of JAMES PATRICK DOYLE, late Of Tullamarine in the said State, farmer, deceased, may be granted to James Lawrence Doyle, of Mount Edgerton, in the said State, school teacher; John Edward Doyle, of Tullamarine aforesaid, farmer, and Kathleen Mary Doyle, of Tullamarine) aforesaid, spinster, the executors named therein. Dated the 14th day of April, 1938.
(P.13, Argus, 14-4-1938.)


DOYLE - In loving memory of Gunner Herbert P (Bert) Doyle, killed in action at Tobruk on July 19, loved son of Mrs and the late J P Doyle, of Tullamarine and brother of Jim, Kath, Jack, Nan (Mrs.F.O'Conner, Sunshine) and Bill R.I.P. (P.4, Argus, 15-8-1941.)

Herbert Patrick Doyle was born at Essendon in 1912.

DOYLE Herbt Patk Birth MOTHER: Mary HILLIS FATHER: Jas Patk
PLACE OF BIRTH: ESSENDON YEAR: 1912 REG. NO.: 19998/1912

AFTER the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof APPLICATION will be made to the Supreme Court of Victoria that PROBATE of the WILL, dated 20th August. 1940. of HERBERT PATRICK DOYLE, formerly of Tullamarine in Victoria, School Teacher, but late of Australian Imperial Forces abroad, Gunner, deceased. may be GRANTED to James Lawrence Doyle of Mount Egerton, in Victoria, school
teacher. being the executor appointed by the said will. (P.8, The Age, 13-10-1941.)

Former West School Headmaster Killed at Tobruk
REMEMBRANCE BY THE CHILDREN.
Mr H.P. Doyle 'head teacher at one time relieving at Benalla West school, has been reported killed in action at Tobruk on July, 19, hence he was a member of that now famous garrison.
The present pupils, many of whom were under Mr Doyle, assembled round the school flag yesterday in three sides of a square where they were addressed on the subject of the supreme sacrifice made by some of our men in general, and Mr Doyle in particular, and also the relationship of the present struggle to the welfare of Australia. The children were then asked to observe two minutes' silence with the flag half-mast in honour of Mr Doyle.

The late Mr Doyle was very popular in Benalla when acting as relieving head master at the Benalla West School, for six months in 1939. From Benalla he went to Barnawartha and
enlisted in the A.I.F. soon after the outbreak of war. He went through his training at Puckapunyal where he was chosen for special work in the gunnery section. He has seen active service in the Middle East for about twelve months.
(P. 2, Benalla Ensign, 22-8-1941.)

Keeping to the teacher theme, I also knew quite a bit about Samuel Lazarus, an early teacher at the Seafield National School which was located at Melway 4 J6 on John Grant's Seafield. How little I actually did know!

J.S. LAZARUS
MARRIAGES.
On the 25th ult., at the house of Mr Boreham, Campbellfield, by the Rev. P. Gunn, Samuel Lazarus, Esq., Master of the Deep Creek Schools, Bulla, son of J. G. Lazarus, Esq., of Liverpool, to Fanny, youngest daughter of the late Captain F. Cassidy, of H. M. 60th Regiment. Liverpool and Derby papers, please copy. (P.4, Argus, 5-1-1859.)


Event: births, Registration number 12993 / 1861, Family name: LAZARUS
Given name(s) Julius Samuel, Place of event: T'MARINE, Australia
Personal detail
Mother's name Fran. Burney , nee CASSIDY, Father's Name: Samuel

LAZARUS.—On the 21st inst., at the Seafield National School, Tullamarine, the wife of Mr. S. Lazarus of a daughter. (P., Argus, 24-11-1862.)
The Seafield school was on the south side of Grants Lane on John Grant’s Seafield (near the runway just east of incinerator Rd.)

TULLAMARINE REUNION.
Many Pioneers Attend.
Tullamarine Progress Association conducted a "Back to Tullamarine" and reunion of old scholars and teachers on Saturday afternoon. Of the three original schools, Seafield and the Old Tullamarine were closed 51 years ago.

Among the pioneers in the groups were Messrs. C. W. Howse, 84 years, and C.Evans, 82. Between 1842 and 1860 twenty-one persons settled in the district, and four are known to be living. Of them Miss Elizabeth Grant and Mr.W. McNab were present. Mr. Frank Wright was credited with being the oldest native of the place. Mr. H. A. Rasmussen, who was in charge of (CastleMaine?) the school for 20 years, was the oldest teacher present. Residents erected a beautiful honor board to the pioneers, with 111 names, and it was unveiled by Mr. J. McRae, Director of Education.

The list of names included John Batman, J. P. Fawkner, John Carre Riddell, G. Russell and A. Walker (who selected land in 1842). Eight years later all the land had been taken up. It was then that Mr. J. Grant and Mr. Angus McNab (with his sons, D. and J. McNab) settled, and their names have been identified with Tullamarine's progress for 85 years. Teachers enrolled were Messrs. J. Cassidy* and Samuel Lazarus (of the Seafield School), Messrs. J. G. Foster and W. F. Blanche (Old Tullamarine), and Mr. Robert G. Ely (president, present Tullamarine).

Among those who took part in the proceedings, were Mr. White, M.L.A., Cr.Henshall (president of the Progress Association), Cr. Davis (president of Keilor shire), Cr. Mutton (president of Broadmeadows shire), Cr. Michie (Bulla), and Mr. A. Rasmussen (secretary Tullamarine Progress Association). Yesterday Rev. C. J. Walklate conducted an appropriate service at the Methodist church. (P,11, The Age, 1-4-1935.)

*John Cassidy could have chosen a better wife. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65423449

** Samuel Lazarus Obituary. His son, Julius Samuel, was living at Frankston and had reached the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel by the time of his father’s death in 1923.
SAMUEL LAZARUS




Julius Samuel LAZARUS
Date of birth 1 August 1861
Occupation ...
Address Leigh Creek., Victoria
Marital status Married
Age at embarkation 53
Next of kin Wife, Mrs J S Lazarus, Leigh Creek, Victoria
Enlistment date NO ENTRY
Rank on enlistment Major
Unit name 14th Battalion, 6th Reinforcement

AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/31/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A62 Wandilla on 17 June 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Major
Unit from Nominal Roll 14th Battalion
Promotions Major

Unit: INF14
Promotion date: 23 April 1915
Fate Returned to Australia 11 April 1916




attachment is the map referred to in my comment GENEALOGICAL GUESSWORK under H.A.LANE (who married Peter Spiers' widow.)

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by tonkin on 2019-09-12 10:35:38

Who was this Y GRIEG named on the Memorial in Tullamarine?
Have searched all the births, deaths and marriages in
Australia but unable to locate the name, which is strange.
And the name does not appear on the WW1 Service Records.
Would be interesting to know who had the name included on the War Memorial.

by itellya on 2019-09-12 16:14:06

tonkin, I transcribed the names in 1989 and may have made a mistake with the initial. Perhaps he was the R.Grieg listed on the Bulla War Memorial and was working on Walter Clark's "Glenara",David Mansfield's "Glenalice", Aucholzie (partly in Keilor Shire and partly in Bulla Shire), "Woodlands", "Glendewar" etc., which would have him socialising at Bulla.

I noticed when I was researching the Rosebud State School Roll of Honour that many records are missing from the Victorian BDM, and that has continued to be observed in this project too; there's a birth record for Henry Williams but not for his brother John. I had previously taken the Anzac Project as Gospel but I believe that many records are missing from that too and others that are there make no sense, such as F.B.Nash dying aged 21.

It is hard to imagine that I had read another initial as Y but I believe that the names to be inscribed were telephoned to the stonemason, who I believe would have done the inscriptions, and he might have misread his handwritten notes. If that was so, and the names were just spoken without spelling them, Grieg might have been Greig or even Grigg.

On trove I found no mention of Grieg in connection with Bulla, Broadmeadows or Keilor (e.g. "Grieg, Bulla" and the same for "Greig,Bulla" but did find a connection with "Greig, Broadmeadows*". If Y./R. (or whatever) Greig was working on Cumberland (178 C12)or Glendewar, they were in the Shire of Broadmeadows and the nearest watering hole, the Inverness Hotel at Melway 177 J11 was in the Shire of Bulla.

There was no mention of Grieg, Greig or Grigg at Tullamarine.

I wonder if I misread J as Y. (They had no son with a name starting with R.)
GREIG.—On the 17th April, at Fairfield Hospital,Mary Isabel, dearly loved wife of John Greig, of Broadmeadows (Late of Spotswood), and loved mother of Maggie, Jean and Jack, and dear
grandmother of Gordon and Maxwell. .Home papers (Aberdeen) please copy. One of the best.(P.13, The Age, 21-4-1928.)

by itellya on 2019-09-13 00:05:22

tonkin,I'll have to get one of my Tullamarine friends to check the initial for Y.Grieg on the memorial but I might have found a connection. All I could find for A.Harper was a service record. His next of kin was Mrs Allison Reid of Broadmeadows. Perhaps J? Reid and Arthur Harper were mates.

A.HARPER.
There is no birth record for Arthur Harper in the 1890’s to ascertain his parents’ names.
Re Arthur’s next of kin in the service record:
The Reid family’s house was on the right-hand side of Fawkner St, Broadmeadows Township (now Westmeadows) about a third of the way downhill towards the bridge. It was demolished in the 1990’s.

Arthur HARPER
Regimental number 3157
Place of birth Broadmeadows Victoria
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Motor driver
Address Broadmeadows, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 23
Next of kin Friend, Mrs Allison R Reid*, Broadmeadows, Victoria
Enlistment date 8 November 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 58th Battalion, 8th Reinforcement

AWM Embarkation Roll number

23/75/4


Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A7 Medic on 16 December 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 58th Battalion
Fate Effective abroad (still overseas)

by tonkin on 2019-09-13 01:50:03

Only the one GRIEG located in the service records.

Charles Ernest GRIEG, AKA GREIG.
Service number: 5024.
Born: Malvern, Victoria.
Age: 25 years 09 months.
Next of Kin: Norah GRIEG of Richmond.
Enlisted: 31 January 1916.

Charles was born 1890 in Malvern, Victoria.
Birth: Recorded under GREIG.
Parents: James GREIG and Mary PAGE.

Charles married Norah HEALEY in 1911.
Charles married under the surname of GREIG.

Interesting to note a correction on his service record.
He was first named as Charles Ernest GREIG. This was crossed out and changed to Charles Ernest GRIEG.

He signed his name as Charles Ernest GREIG on his service record. He died 1931 in Melbourne East, aged 41 years.
Death recorded under GREIG.

It appears he only used the name GRIEG in the army.

by itellya on 2019-09-13 22:54:35

Too many late nights must be responsible for me confusing Reid with Greig in my previous comment.

by tonkin on 2019-09-14 00:03:57

We all have nights like that itellya.

The Book of Remembrance at the Melbourne War Memorial does not record the name GRIEG, but it does record C E GREIG. I expect this will be the same Charles Ernest GRIEG AKA GREIG.
Possible the army made a spelling error on his service record.

Charles Ernest GREIG was buried at the Fawkner Memorial Park Cemetery on 07 May 1931. His wife Nora died 1964 in Sydney, aged 74 years, and was buried with Charles on the 17 July 1964.

Of course this does not confirm if this is the same Y GRIEG appearing on the Tullamarine Monument.

by tonkin on 2019-09-17 06:58:35

Greetings itellya.

Just wondering if you have made any progress with this GRIEG/GREIG named on the Tullamarine War Memorial.

Tried to find the names recorded on the War Memorial online but had no luck.

by itellya on 2019-09-17 10:29:53

Absolutely nothing, tonkin. So frustrating! Countless hours spent looking for just a hint of a connection.

by itellya on 2019-09-18 03:59:40

GENEALOGICAL GUESSWORK!
W. DERMODY
A LUCKY HUNCH! ABOUT 20 HOURS OF SPECULATION HAS BEEN DELETED.
I had assumed that William was a member of the Darmody family, early pioneers on Pascoe Vale Rd between the Broadmeadows and Somerton stations, until I saw something puzzling in the death notice for James Handlen. It referred to his brother Willy being on active service but no William Handlen was listed on the Anzac Project. I suspected that John Handlen might have married Mary Dermody and I was right.
FROM THE JAMES HANDLEN ENTRY.
DEATHS.
ON ACTIVE SERVICE.
HANDLEN.-Died of wounds at 1st Australian Clearing Station, France, on the 8th July, after 3 years' active service through Egypt, Gallipoli and France, Private James Handlen, dearly beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. Handlen, Tullamarine; loving brother of May and Willie (on active service??? *), aged 24 years and 11 months. Duty nobly done. (The Essendon Gazette and Keilor, Bulla and Broadmeadows Reporter Thursday 1 August 1918 p 2 Family Notices)
*Maybe William Dermody? Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANDLEN John, Marriage, DERMODY, Mary, 1885, 3779/1885

MARY HANDLEN’S DEATH RECORD.
HANDLEN Mary, Death
MOTHER:Sarah, nee OLOUGHLIN
FATHER:CANTY John
PLACE OF BIRTH: COLLINGWOOD
PLACE OF DEATH: KEW
AGE, YEAR, REG. NO. (77, 1936, 6804/1936 )


The Broadmeadows Township memorial in Westmeadows also lists W. Dermody so he would have lived on the east side of Bulla Rd. Presuming M.A.Dermody on his service record was his wife, his death notice might have been found.
DERMODY.— On November 16. At Heidelberg Repatriation Hospital, William, loved husband of Maude, and loved father of Arthur (deceased). Jim (deceased), - Joe, Fred and Lil. father-in-law of Lil and Jack and grandfather of Jeanine and James, aged 70 years. A
patient sufferer at rest. No flowers by request. (P.2, The Age, 19-11-1951.)

DERMODY.— The Funeral of the late WILLIAM DERMODY will leave his residence. 52 Munro-street, Coburg, THIS DAY, at 2.10 p.m., for the Fawkner Crematorium.
(Same paper, page 8.)

THE ONLY WILLIAM DERMODY RECORDED AS HAVING DIED IN 1951.
DERMODY William Death
MOTHER:Mary, nee CANTY
FATHER: DERMODY John
PLACE OF BIRTH: CARLTON
PLACE OF DEATH: HEIDELBERG
AGE, YEAR, REG. NO. (70, 1951, 13754/1951)

John Dermody might indeed have been William’s father but I could not find a record of his marriage to Mary Canty or his death before Mary Dermody’s marriage to John HANDLEN in 1885. William might have been born out of wedlock.

William DERMODY
Regimental number 853
Place of birth Tullamarine, Victoria
Religion Church of England
Occupation Labourer
Address c/o Mrs Bruce, Campbell Street, Port Fairy, Victoria
Marital status Married
Age at embarkation 31
Next of kin Mrs M A Dermody, 91 Fenwick Street, North Carlton, Victoria
Enlistment date 7 September 1914
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 8th Battalion, G Company

AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/25/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board Transport A24 Benalla on 19 October 1914
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 8th Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 24 August 1918
Date of death 16 November 1951
Place of burial Fawkner Cemetery

H.A. LANE
Mr. James Lane. of Tullamarine, has three sons at the front, viz., Trooper Henry A. Lane, in the 13th Light Horse at Egypt; Gunner Arthur E. Lane, Field Artillery, France; and Trooper Albert N. Lane, 8th Light Horse, England. (P.5, Flemington Spectator, 13-7-1916.)

births Registration number 18813 / 1885 Family name: LANE
Given name(s) Henry Alexander, Place of event: KEW, Australia
Mother's name Mary, nee MOORE
Father's Name: James

HENRY ALEXANDER LANE MARRIED IN 1913.
Event: marriages Registration number 6378 / 1913
Family name: LANE Given name(s) Henry Alexander
Spouse's family name: SPEIRS Spouse's given name(s) Alice Mary

Henry Alexander Lane died in 1947, and his widow (who was also buried at the Melbourne cemetery) in 1951.
LANE Henry Alexander, Death
Mother: Mary, nee MOORE, father: LANE James
Places of birth and death: KEW, BRUNSWICK WEST
Age, year, reg.no. (66, 1947, 13227/1947)

LANE. — On December 2 (suddenly), at 32 Burnell-street, West Brunswick, Henry Alexander Lane (late 13 L.H., 1st A.I.F.) beloved husband of Alice Mary and loved father of Robert A., Hilda (Mrs. Renkin) and Stanley E., aged 66 years. At rest.

LANE. — The Funeral of the late HENRY ALEXANDER LANE (1st. A.I.F.), will leave our Memorial Chapel, 227 Smith-street, Fitzroy, THIS DAY, at 2 p.m. for Melbourne Cemetery. Carlton. (P.9, The Age, 3-12-1947.)

LANE.- On March 8, at 32 Burnell Street, West Brunswick. Alice Mary, loved wife of the late Alexander Lane, and loved mother of Robert. Hilda and Stanley, loved sister of Nina, Ethel, Charlie, loved aunt of Alma, Bill and Jess, loved friend of Mr and Mrs Ted
and Alice Hicks. At rest. Aged 84 years. (P.8, The Herald, 8-3-1951.)

N.B. Possible connection to S.Hicks. Alice Mary was 14 or more years older than Henry Alexander and her maiden name was JACKSON, not Spiers.

LANE Alice Mary, Death Mother: Elizabeth, nee BARTON, father: JACKSON William
Places of birth and death: (PORTLAND, BRUNSWICK WEST)
Age, year, reg. no. (84 1951 2602/1951)

Although I have not been able to CONFIRM through marriage records how Alice Mary Jackson became Alice Mary Spiers before her marriage to H.E.Lane, a search for Alice (Mrs Lane) confirms that her maiden name was indeed JACKSON.
JACKSON.—On January 2 (suddenly) at 14 Strachans road Mornington, Francis beloved husband of Fanny and brother of Nina (Mrs Hard),Alice (Mrs Lane), and Charles aged 80 years. (P.12, Argus, 3-1-1951.)

HERE’S HOW ALICE MARY JACKSON HAD BECOME ALICE MARY SPIERS.
SPEIRS (SPIERS)—On the 8th. September at his residence, "Ecclesfield”, Tullamarine Peter, the dearly beloved husband of Alice Mary Speirs (Spiers), aged 44 years.
Deeply Regretted. (P.13, Argus, 9-9-1911.)

JACKSON Alice Mary, Marriage, SPEIRS, Peter, 1897, 4258/1897

FARMER SHOT DEAD.
When she returned to the house after milking cows yesterday morning, the wife of Peter Spiers, a well-known farmer and machinery agent, of Tullamarine, found him lying in his bedroom with a gunshot wound in the left breast. She summoned Dr. Dickinson, of Moonee Ponds, who found the case hopeless, and Spiers died at noon. According to a statement made by Mrs. Spiers, her husband, who was 44 years of age, had not been in good health lately, and had complained of imaginary evils. At half-past 7 o'clock yesterday morning she prepared
his breakfast, and later he conversed with Alfred Wright, a neighbour, who had called. He seemed in fair spirits. When she found him lying in the bedroom she called Wright, who was loading hay, and they did what they could for the sufferer. A single-barrelled breech-loading gun, with cartridge discharged, was lying in the room. The body was conveyed to the morgue, and an inquest will be held. (P.20, Argus, 9-9-1911.)

This portion of the airport acquisitions map,attached to the journal circa 1960, shows the corner of Bulla Rd and Grants Rd with the latter running left to the top left corner. Stan Payne’s pig farm “Scone” just north of the corner (known as Ellis’s Corner) and occupied by Alf Wright at the time of Peter’s suicide, now contains the airport terminal. West of Payne’s triangular block is “Gowrie Park”. South of Grants Lane is lot 23, the Ellis homestead block with their houses right at the corner. Lot 22 at the left side of the map (two paddocks), ECCLESFIELD, is labelled as containing 100 acres but it was always described as being 101 acres in Keilor Shire rate records. Lots 2 and Mrs Carter’s lot 42 would have been Love’s dairy farm in 1884 when the triangular 2 acre block on the corner of Bulla Rd and Conders Lane (whose name is visible above the closed portion) was purchased for the site of Tullamarine State School 2613. Lot 5 is almost certainly where L.ANDERSON, THE SECOND PERSON LISTED ON THE MEMORIAL lived.

As can be seen ECCLESFIELD was directly across Grants Lane from GOWRIE PARK.

by tonkin on 2019-09-21 04:15:18

Name appearing on the Tullamarine War Memorial was Y GREIG, but the name does not appear on any service record or the Shrine of Remembrance. The initial 'Y' must be an error.

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