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NB: Mary Whiting is my 5th Gr.Grandmother & the mother of my 4th Gr.Grandfather, Richard Whiting Pope.
This is a list of her maternal ancestors, through her mother, Eizabeth Lee.

Elizabeth Lee (6th Gr.Grandmother)
Born: November 1761, Devon UK
Married: James Whiting, 19 December 1783, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Mary Whiting - Sept 1793
Jenny Whiting - Aug 1784
Robert Lee Whiting - March 1786
James Whiting - June 1788
Daniel Ryder Whiting - May 1791
George Whiting - 1796

John Lee (7th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: January 1727
Married: Elizabeth Avery, 26 October 1753, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Elizabeth Lee - 1761

Elizabeth Avery (7th Gr.Grandmother)
Born: January 1732
Married: John Lee, 26 October 1753, Devon UK
Died: 1794, Devon UK
Children: Elizabeth Lee - 1761
Parents: John Avery & Elizabeth ?

Robert Lee (8th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: June 1695
Married: Mary Parnell, 10 February 1720, Modbury, Devon UK
(Mary's sister Joan, my paternal 8th Gr.Grandmother, married Thomas Whyting - see Whiting Family Journal).
Died: ?
Children: John Lee - 1727

Mary Parnell (8th Gr.Grandmother)
Born: January 1697
Married: Robert Lee, 10 February 1720, Modbury, Devon UK
Died: ?
Parents: Edward Parnell & Elizabeth Prinn
Children: John Lee - 1727

Robert Lee Snr (9th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: April 1665
Baptised: 01 May 1665, Newton St Cyres, Devon UK
Married: Margaret Crispine, 13 April 1692, Modbury, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Robert Lee - 1695

Margaret Crispine (9th Gr.Grandmother)
Born: 1672, Modbury, Devon UK
Married: Robert Lee, 13 April 1692, Modbury, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Robert Lee - 1695
Parents: James Crispine & Margaret Pill

Andrew Lee (10th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: September 1633, Exeter, Devon UK
Baptised: 04 October 1633, Exeter Cathedral, Devon UK
Married: Catherine Moggeridge, 12 December 1661, Newton St Cyres, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Robert Lee - 1665

Catherine Moggeridge (10th Gr.Grandmother)
Born: November 1629, Newton St Cyres, Devon UK
Baptised: 20 December 1629, Newton St Cyres, Devon UK
Married: Andrew Lee, 12 December 1661, Newton St Cyres, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Robert Lee - 1665
Parents: Robert Moggeridge & Elizabeth Baylye

Mary Whiting (5th Gr.Grandmother)
Born: Sept 1793, Plymouth, Devon UK
Baptised: 29 Sept 1793, Modbury, Devon UK
Married: John Pope, 27 June 1806, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Richard Whiting Pope - 1807
Betsey Pope - 1809

James Whiting (6th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: 1762, Devon UK
Married: Elizabeth Lee, 19 December 1783, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: Mary Whiting - Sept 1793, Plymouth Devon UK
Jenny Whiting - August 178, Modbury, Devon UK
Robert Lee Whiting - March 1786, Modbury, Devon UK
James Whiting - June 1788, Modbury, Devon UK
Daniel Ryder Whiting - May 1791, Modbury, Devon UK
George Whiting - 1796, Modbury, Devon UK

William Whyting (7th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: June 1736, Devon UK
Married: Elizabeth Ryder, 25 May 1762, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: James Whiting - 1762, Devon UK

Thomas Whyting (8th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: April 1697, Devon UK
Married: Joan Parnell, 08 January 1723, Devon UK
Died: ?
Children: William Whyting - 1736

Christopher Whyting (9th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: ?
Married: Phillipa ?
Died: ?
Children: Thomas Whyting - 1697

John Pope (5th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: 1791, Devon UK
Married: Mary Whiting, 27 June 1806, Devon UK
Died: 1858
Children: Richard Whiting Pope (born 1807)
Betsey Pope (born 1809)

John Pope (6th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: Dec 1764, Devon UK
Married: Susanne Langley, 07 April 1789, Devon UK
Died:
Children: John Pope (born 1791)

Matthew Pope (7th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: 1724, Devon UK
Married: Agnes ?
Died: ?
Children: John Pope (born 1764)

Richard Whiting Pope (4th Gr.Grandfather)
Born: 10 February 1807, West Alvington, Devon UK
Married: Mary Ann Martin (formerly Wilson)
25 December 1832, St Edmonds, Kingsbridge, Devon UK
Died: 06 December 1891, Havelock, Marlborough NZ

Mary Ann Martin
Born 04 May 1803, Kingsbridge, Devon UK
Married: (1) William Curry Wilson
09 October 1828, Stoke Damerel, Devon UK (divorced).
Married: (2) Richard Whiting Pope
25 December 1832, St Edmonds, Kingsbridge, UK
Died: 08 December 1892, Havelock, Marlborough NZ

CHILDREN:

1. George Whiting Pope (3rd Gr.Grandfather)
Born: 06 Sept 1833, Kingsbridge, Devon UK
Married: Elizabeth Catherine Climo,
30 April 1857, Tataraimaka, Taranaki NZ
Died: 18 August 1907, Nelson, Marlborough NZ

2. Robert William Pope
Born: 20 May 1836
Married: Ann Rose
Died: 13 August 1914

3. John Nicholas Pope
Born: 12 April 1837
Married: Mary Anne Kate Eveline ?
Died:

4. Roger Whiting Pope
Born 24 December 1841
Married: Emily Climo
Died: 03 September 1930

5. Elizabeth Pope
Born: 1842
Died: ?

6. Harriet Pope
Born: 10 Sept 1843
Married: Walter Gibbons
Died: 06 April 1867

7. James Webster Pope
Born: 03 October 1848
Married: Mary Cass
Died: 07 March 1927

8. Frank Wilson Pope
Born: 10 December 1851
Married: Jane Climo
Died: 19 August 1936

9. Richard Charles Pope
Born: 03 August 1853
Married: Hannah Willis
Died: 02 December 1921

10. Mary Ann Pope
Born: 16 December 1863
Married: Alfred Spicer Lovell
Died: ?

11. Jessie Pope
Born: ?
Died: ?

My 5th great-grandparents were John PHILLIPS & Ann COCK.
There seems to be very little information about this couple.
All we know is that John & Ann married at St. Teath, Cornwall on
19 April 1819. The witnesses were James Higgons & Thomas Hamley,

I've done some sleuthing & have spent hours pouring over Parish records in Cornwall and have found records for a John PHILLIPS.
This is what I have:

He was born in 1775 and baptised in Gwithian, Cornwall on 30 October 1775. He died aged 65 years, in Wendron, Cornwall on 06 March 1840.

It's possible that John might have been quite a bit older than Ann. This would make him aged 44yrs when he married Ann, being 20 years her senior. It was common in those days for middle-aged men to have younger wives.

We know that John Phillips' movements are as follows:

*Trewerthen, Cornwall 1825-1831. According to Jane & Richard's baptism record, John's occupation was Labourer.
*Ammell, Cornwall 1833 (where son John was born & baptised). These are all in the St. Kew area.

Cornwall is not a large area so being a labourer, it's possible that John and Ann moved to where the work was. His last abode was noted to be Wendron where he was an agricultural labourer.

If it is indeed "our John", perhaps Ann, newly widowed, had decided to start afresh in New Zealand after his death in 1841, taking her children with her. (We do know that John had passed away not long before his family emigrated).

This is purely a theory at this point - I would love to hear from any relations who may agree (or disagree) with my findings. I have also traced his parents, grandparents & great-grandparents.

If we have indeed gone off on the wrong track and if anyone has any ideas/clues or is sure of John & Ann's whereabouts in Cornwall, please don't hesitate to leave me a message! :)

Amber :)

This is a little information that I found on Richard and John Phillips, sons of John Phillips & Ann Cock (my 5th-great-grandparents).

Richard PHILLIPS was born in 1825, in Bodmin Cornwall.
After emigrating with his family to New Zealand aboard the William Bryan, he later moved to Ballarat, Australia, to work as a gold miner. He relocated c.1851. He married Elizabeth Jane PINCOTT (Australian-born) in 1855. Richard died on 06 June 1869, in Springhill, VIC, Australia.

John PHILLIPS was born in 1832, in Bodmin. Not much is known of his life in New Zealand (if anyone in the family has any information I'd be interested to read it!) but he died in 1900 in Mahakipawa, Marlborough. Apparently he died of exposure after a fishing trip.

Still have no information on the whereabouts of Ann Phillips Snr and her second husband, Arthur DAWE. It has been suggested that they may have emigrated as far as the United States or Canada as no records seem to exist for them in New Zealand, Australia or England. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. According to the Climo Chronicles, Ann was still living in Taranaki when her daughter Jane & husband James Climo returned in the 1880's. Whether she was still living at the time of her daughter's death in 1884, we don't know.

Any clues??

Miss Ann PHILLIPS (18 yrs) married John JAMES (27 yrs) aboard the ship, the WILLIAM BRYAN at sea on 14 January 1841.
The following records are that of their children:

John Jonas JAMES - born 11 December 1848, died 10 February 1868
Buried 13 February 1868, Te Henui Cemetery, unknown location.
Occupation: Labourer

John Phillips JAMES born 21 December 1846, died 21 June 1927
Buried at Fitzroy Methodist Church (Henui Cemetery), New Plymouth

Louisa Jane JAMES born 16 July 1847, died 02 September 1933, in New Plymouth. She married Emmanuel NEWALL on 09 December 1866 in Inglewood. Emmanuel was born in 1837 and died in 1884.
Louisa's second husband was Frederick GILMOUR. He was born c.1840 and died on 04 March 1924, in New Plymouth.

Frederick Robert JAMES - 1852 - died 22 April 1938
Buried: 24 April 1938, Te Henui Cemetery
Primitive Methodist Section, Row 4, Lot 1, Plot 1
Last address: Gover Street, New Plymouth
Occupation: Storeman

Sarah JAMES, born 23 September 1855, died 30 September 1892.
She married Patrick James CAVANEY on 19 January 1871 in New Plymouth.
She is buried at Inglewood Cemetery, Memorial Area, Row G, Plot 11C
Patrick died on 05 May 1908 and is buried at Inglewood Cemetery,
Memorial Area, Row G, Plot 11N

Thomas JAMES born 01 May 1858, died 05 September 1937.
Occupation: Farmer. Buried at Te Henui Cemetery,New Plymouth, in an unknown location. His wife was Mary Ann CROZIER, born 03 Feb 1879, died 19 June 1954. She is buried at Te Henui Cemetery, New Plymouth, 1935 ext, Row 4, Lot 4, Plot 2. Her last known address was Calvert Road, New Plymouth.

Stephen JAMES - 1860 - 1907. His occupation was that of farmer.
He is buried in Te Henui Cemetery, New Plymouth in an unknown location.

William John JAMES was born in 1861 and died on 13 February 1865.
He is buried in Te Henui Cemetery, New Plymouth, in an unknown location.

Arthur JAMES born in 1862. (Insufficient information)

Richard William JAMES born 02 December 1863, died 02 May 1864.
Buried at Fitzroy Methodist Church (Henui Cemetery).

The Pelorus Guardian 08/12/1891

HAVELOCK NEWS: Our Havelock correspondent writes: - "I have to record the death of another old settler, viz Mr Richard Whiting POPE at the advanced age of 85, he died on Sunday the 6th instance. Deceased arrived at Taranaki in 1841 but in April 1860 he migrated to Nelson, consequent of the breaking out of the Taranaki War in the month of March in that year. Deceased had served in Her Majesty's Amy in Portugal and at Gibraltar. He has left a number of sons and daughters and grandchildren."

"The death of Mr James CLIMO, at the age of ninety-one years, is recorded by the Pelorus Guardian. Deceased, who was a native of Cornwall, arrived with his wife in New Plymouth on 01 April 1841 and their first child - which was also the first white child born in that town - was born on 05 November 1841. Next year he left New Plymouth and went to Kawhia. On returning to Taranaki Mr CLIMO was shipwrecked at the Heads and lost everything. He and his wife had to carry their two children on their backs for ten days, living on native food and fording the rivers. They settled in Taranaki until the war broke out and Mr CLIMO was called out with the militia for defence purposes. In an engagement with the natives on 28 March 1860 he was wounded and suffered more or less ever since from the effects of it. As soon as he was able to leave the hospital, he was invalided to Nelson. After short sojourns in various parts of New Zealand, Mr CLIMO went to the Havelock district and had resided there ever since."

(from the Marlborough Express, 1908):

Living in 1908 in our cities and towns ? the cities with their palatial buildings, supplied with telephones, busy with the hum of commercial activity and with every modern convenience near at hand; their electric cars and their residences in the quiet suburbs or country; their theatres and amusementsl their drillsheds, yacht and rowin club; their main trunk and other railway lines; their motors and their launches and bicycles, possibly all these modern conveniences make us forget this question: Who were the pioneers and who did the hard graft of cleaning the land and making our modern civilisation possible? Keenly our modern business is transacted with its accompaniment of modern liners from all parts of the world; keenly we pursue new markets for our produce and ship accordingly and ?lest we forget? how all this originated and became possible. Let us take a look back to the days of 1841 and at a typical pioneer.

James CLIMO was the son of a Cornish farmer and was born at Bodmin on 28 January 1822, married a Cornish girl in the neighbouring county of Devon in 1840 and he and his bride shortly after set sail for New Zealand in the William Bryan, which arrived off the coast of New Plymouth on 01 April 1841. They settled there for a time and his first child ? Elizabeth Catherine ? was born at what is now New Plymouth on 05 November 1841 and was unquestionably the first European born at New Plymouth.

It may be as well to state here that in those days there was no circular saw. The pioneer sawing was pit sawing and the first circular saw in Marlborough was built by Captain DALTON at Mount Pleasant and James CLIMO and his son-in-law, George POPE (who married Elizabeth Catherine) were the first to work for Captain DALTON. As time went on James CLIMO was engaged in many parts of New Zealand, following what had become his colonial occupation ? pioneering ? engaged with survey parties cutting a track through the pathless bush, pit-sawing and generally paving the way for clearances of the bush and the advance of civilisation. James CLIMO was at Mount Pleasant in 1862 when the circular saw first came into use and since that time he has been ?with the saw? in its progress through many dense forests until some 10 years ago he finally settled at Havelock being then 76 years of age. He is now 86.

At the outbreak of the Maori war in 1860, CLIMO was, like most early settlers in the North Island, engaged in it until severely wounded at Waireka and was then invalided to Nelson.

William POPE was born in New Plymouth in 1859. For over 20 years he has been working for Brownlee & Co. at the sawmilling industry although now living at Wellington. Agnes POPE is the daughter of William POPE and about three and a half years ago was married to Mr. PICKARD and lives in a township near Palmerston North ? Shannon ? their infant son being twelve months old. Five generations of New Zealand CLIMO's are living. James CLIMO has living five sons and four daughters and it would be to particularise the extensive ramifications of the family of the 'Old Chief'. Suffice to say that his descendants now number 250 and with unlimited possibilities.

Mrs. George POPE came to Marlborough in 1860 and has lived in Havelock almost ever since and quite recently went to live at one of her married daughter's (Mrs Harriet TWIDLE), near Havelock. (Mr George POPE died about 8 months ago at Nelson).

The hardships incidental to his calling do not appear to have detrimentally affected James CLIMO, as he retains all his faculties almost unimpaired. James CLIMO was not one of those early pioneers who feathered his own nest. The ?moving on? nature of his occupation was against that, though many far less deserving early colonists are rolling comfortably in the wealth of the ?unearned increment? but he does not share it, which reads rather like the irony of fate and an old-age pension for himself and present wife does no seem an over-extravagant compensation for one who has been such a mighty factor in the success of what we now take pride in calling a Dominion.

As well as himself, many of his numerous descendants live in Marlborough and have richly become entitled to the respect and esteem of the whole community, which they, one and all, enjoy and perhaps he himself, to those that know him can hardly be said to regret that more of the cakes and plums have not come in his way and if, in his unassuming way, he is satisfied and he is more than entitled to be, with the role he has played in the drama of life, yet other people know that he was of that stuff which makes mighty nations and without which they can neither begin, enlarge or continue. The experiences and the hardships of those days would fill a volume. Many of them are unknown and incredible to the present generation.

One was a journey from the Waikato to Taranaki on foot, a journey of 150 miles in which husband and wife forded all the rivers, each with a child on their shoulders and when they got to the Mission Station, were not even regaled with a cup of tea. The experiences of those days are different from those of today; and the ?stuff? of those days is a vanishing quantity now. Not, we are glad to see, in Mr James CLIMO's case, as his 250 descendants testify.