Frederick Irving 1913 Manchester
Please can some one help me with what happened to Frederick. He was married to Louisa May Davenport (nee Irons) who died in 1951. I understand that Frederick travelled to New York, I guess this would be after his wife's death. I can't not find any any death record in UK for Frederick, so I guess he dies in New York.
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Death Index
Do you know what Frederick's parents names were. This might help to locate his death.
Janilye - There is one match for year 1913. I don't know how I can match this record to my Frederick.
Noggin - Frederick's parents are William McDonald (1869) and Georgina Gleadell (1869).
Frederick birth was registered in Chorlton March Quarter 1913.
How can I find any travel to America?
Thanks
Steve
ah this is the brother of Jessie Irving you are looking at! sorry I didn't make the connection before.
I'll have a look later on this morning Steve.
Quickly I found a Fred Irving b:1913 who sailed from Liverpool, England on the 'Eastern Prince' on the 5th August 1940 (alone) he gave his occupation as Engineer and his home address as 918 Stockport Rd., Manchester. Now if he was back in Manchester when his wife died, and you say he made this voyage after her death, it would seem he had some sort of connection with the U.S. and commuted more than once.
Sorry Steve that voyage above was from New York to Liverpool. I need to go to bed 03:16 I'll have a look again later.
BMDs
Birth
Name: IRVING, Frederick
Registration district: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Gleadell
Volume no: 8C
Page no: 1542
OK the above gives his mothers maiden name as Gleadell. So was she married before she married William McDonald ie Fredreick's surname is Irving.
Ok have worked it out:
Marriage
Name: Georgina GLEADELL
Registration district: Salford
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1889
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 8D
Page no: 27
William Mcdonald IRVING
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Fred Irving
Arrival Date: 24 Nov 1938
Birth Date: abt 1913
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Manchester, England
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Friend's Name: Javanese Prince (I believe this is his next ships name )
Port of Departure: Saint Johns, Newfoundland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Fort Amherst
His occupation is listed as Marine Engineer.
Next of kin is listed as Lilly Irving 918 Stockport Road, Manchester.
It would appear that Frederick was a ships engineer at this time with Furness Lines.
Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941
names: Fred Irving
Day of birth: 30
Month of birth: December
Year of birth: 1912
Place of birth: Manchester
County/country of birth: Lancashire
Card type: CR1
Discharge number: R 164708
Identity certificate no.:
Series: BT349
Date range: 1921-1941
Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941
names: F Irving
Age: 25
Place of birth: Manchester
County/country of birth: Lancashire
Card type: CR2
Discharge number: R 164708
Identity certificate no.:
Series: BT348
Date range: 1921-1941
Piece number: 1
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Frederick Irving
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1912
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1978
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Tameside
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 39
Page: 1746
Not 100% certain this is your Frederick But his birth was reg in 1st Q of 1913 which would fit with a birth in late Dec.
Wow this is all good News for me. My mother said she didn't that Fred emigrated, however, I was told by another closer relation (decendant of Fred) that he did.
O will piece the information together to make sense of the events in his life,
Many thanks for you help. I will have to start finding out about sailings to and from UK, as U believe that I have other relations who have emigrated. Something for another day.
Regards
Steve