Hello abbeyg, I've got a copy of Dreantime Of Dromana in my archives which is in storage and unfortunately I can't get to for a week or so, but when I do I will have a look and scan for you. What makes you think Black fiddler refers to Joe Peter's colour? I think his parents were both from Yorkshire. He was a fisherman and in Dromana they used Black Fiddler crabs as a bait. Might refer to that! Anyway, as soon as I get hold of the book I'll send you pics.
My grandmother told her son(my father) on her death bed that she had colored blood. I have a photo of my great grandfather Joseph Peters (2nd) Joe Peters and Mary Ann's son and he is dark with tight wiry curly hair. My father also remembers his grandfather to be very tanned and dad felt he looked aboriginal ( had a wide nose) he didin't die until my father was in his 20's so he knew him well.
My grandmother told her son (my dad) that her grandmother(Mary Ann) Joe Peters wife told her before she died that she was aboriginal. Mary Ann (Born Wiltshire?? which we don't think)and Joe Peters (born Baltimore maryland)marry at Queenscliff in 1870 two colored people marrying back then would have be seen as acceptable.
Also my father has contacted a descendant of Joe Peters (Joseph Peters (2nd) sisters lineage and they claim to have Joe Peters nationalisation papers from Capee Verede Island. My father has Joe Peters will (Fathers name George Peters mothers name Mary Thersea) and he owned a block of land in Dromana, which we have just found out was next door to several other Cape Verde Islanders ( have names). They were all issued the land at the same time.
My great aunt (95yrs) who is Joseph Peters the 2nds daughter (my grandmothers sister) says she was teased at school because her father was so dark skined. Her mother in-law used to call her "the abo girl". Aunt Mary thought that her father may have been American Indian. Unfortunately because of the generation gap my great aunt isn't interested in the notion of having color in our heritage.
My father and I aren't concerned at all about it and are loving the jig saw puzzle of our family history coming altogether.
It also explains why I have been asked all my live what nationality I am as I am quite dark. One of my sons has tanned skin also and has the dark wiry tight curly hair that would give any african a run for their money ( father is a pale red head).
Any information which you can find regarding Joe Peters is greatly appreciated. Finding out where we originate from is both fasinating and frustrating I'm loving it!!
Thank you for that information Abigail. I wasn't aware that Mary Ann White was also coloured which does seem more likely. (for the times) Did Mary Ann die as Peter's or Lewthwaite? Do you have a death date? Trying not to get the Peters' families mixed up for I know there were a couple, one other quite prominate in Portland, Vic. I wondered if this was your's; I found a Joe Peters and Mary Ann who had a son named Stanley Paul Peters born in Queenscliff in 1891. He enlisted in the A.I.F Service No. 11985, on 23 October 1915 age 25yrs and 1 mth. On his enlistment he gave his next of kin as his mother Mary Ann Leuthwaite (2nd. marriage in 1904 to Thomas Daniel Lewthwaite) his father, he listed as Joe Peters deceased. Mother's address in 1915, 13 Fischer St., Coburg, Vic. she was still living there in 1922. His description was 5'5" Fresh complexion, brown eyes dark brown hair and CofE. This could be the one who played footy for Dromana? There was also a Lewthwaite who played. Anyway I should be able to get away and get Colin McLeach's book with the photos, at the end of next week.
Yes Mary Ann did remarry after Joesph Peters died to Thomas Lewthwaite. She died 24/4/1925 as Mary Ann Lewthwaite and she is bruied with her son Albert in Faulkner Cemetary.
Mary Ann and Joseph had 15 children 3 died 2 sons both named Joseph and 1 daughter named Mary. We have names and birth/ death details for all 15 children. Stanley was Mary Anns and Josephs son and we also were aware of his service details. There are Peter's everwhere and many of Joseph's children had very large families themselves and they all seemed to spread out over the state.
We aren't to concerned about tracing the children of Joseph and Mary Ann we are more interested in finding out the truth about where Joseph and Mary came from that s why I would love to see a photo of them.
Its interesting that Stanley played football for Dromana. I'll brag to my husband that stanley was a champion football player of old but decided to serve his country rather then follow his football career. I've had to hear of my husbands great grandfathers football heroics for over twenty years. James Henry Gardiner founder of the North Melbourne Football club. We have bought every book and visited or rang every football club, council officers, streets, parks collecting photos of the man. All very English and proper unlike what my family tree is developing into.
Appreciate anything that you find on Joseph or Mary Ann. We believe Mary Anns birth details were fudged to suit the times. In fact I am exhausted looking in to Mary Ann thats why I started looking into Joseph more closely. At this stage I don't care if Mary Ann came from under a cabbage patch!
You can tell your husband the 'Peters' were quite prominent in the Peninsula Football clubs. I only made a guess that it was Stanley who played because a lot of the old Newspaper reports mearly give just the surname and of course I haven't been through all the footy reports.
In 1890 A. Peters and J. Peters played for Dromana State School 1894-1902 ? Peters for Dromana 1905 Jack Peters played for Sorrento
Then I suppose the next generation
FRANKSTON HIGH SCHOOL 24 August 1928 INTERSTATE FOOTBALL Stan Peters represented the Frankston High School in the Interstate match against South Australia on Tuesday afternoon. He worthily upheld the` honor of the school and was one of the best players on the ground although South Australia claimed the best player for the day: Victoria were winners.
Then hopping up to the 1930's T. Peters and C. Peters played for Flinders and J. Peters played for Seaford
If you can get in touch with itellya he would surely know more about these teams.
These articles don't tell us anything about Joe Peters but you can't let an opportunity to brag go to waste.
Standard (Frankston, Vic)Friday 2 May 1941 FOOTBALL STAN PETERS TO COACH New High School Eighteen At a meeting of the High School Football Club held last night, Stan Peters was unanimously elected coach. Captain and coach of the Frankston team last year, Stan is one of the best known footballers on the Peninsula, and as a student at the High School thirteen or fourteen years ago, captained one of the best teams in the history of the school.
I know that Stanley's brother Joseph (my great grandfather) played football for merridith football club. Dad remembers talking about it with him.
Where are you getting all this information from? I'm new at researching my family tree and have been mainly doing my research through ancestry. I have also visited the Queenscliff historical society and of late found familytreecircles by plain luck.
Any pointers on where to find information of Joseph Peters would be appreciated.
Thanks I will pass on the football details to my Dad as he is making notes about each relation.
See comments HERE Frankston & Somerville Standard, Friday 18 May 1928 BALL AT SOMERVILLE. Of late months the mere mention of a ball at Somerville has been sufficient to assure a large attendance of dancers and it is anticipated that the grand ball advertised elsewhere in this issue will be no exception to the rule. The ball will be held in the Horticultural Hall, Ballacrane Orchestra supplying the music. A set supper will be served in the Mecha nics' Institute. There will be several novelty dances, and good prizes will be given. Proceeds are in aid of Somerville Football Club. Particulars of admission are given in the advertisement.
Go into TROVE Abigail and search 'Ballacrane' you will find several articles between 1926 and 1936.
Also have been speaking to my Dad about all the information you have been giving me and he extends his thanks.
I forgot to tell you possibly the most important bit of information regarding Joseph Peters Wife Mary Ann Peters tellING her granddaughtER that she was Aboriginal.
MY UNCLE HAD A DNA TEST DONE AND IT SHOWED ABORIGINAL DNA.
Sorry it's hard to remember every bit of information that has been collected in the last 5 years. jOSEPH pETERS DIES 1916 but i'll have a look anyway.
This is7he son of Ellen Phoebe Peters Father Unknown Born Carlton Vic 18994 Reg: 10091
17th October 1895, Mornington Standard
E. PETERS v. T. PEAKE. Mr. Cook appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr. T. T. Smith for the defendant. Mr. Smallman xxxxxxxx xxxxx, said that as the defendant had refused to marry the plaintiff she now sued de- fendant for maintainance of the child now in court, which she alleged he was the father of. The reason why plaintiff did not take proceedings sooner was because her mother was adverse to her doing so, and she had been away for some time in a home or lodge in Mel- bourne, and she now intended to pro- ceed under Section 42 of the Marriage Act, the child being illegimate. The child was born on the 28th March, 1894. He called the plaintiff to give evidence. Miss E. Peters, sworn, said she was an unmarried woman and resided at Rosebud. She was at present in ser- vice at the Dromana Hotel. Knew the defendant, Thomas Peake, and first became acquainted with him at Rose- bud in June, 1893. She had not been introduced by any one. Defendant made an appointment to meet her the next night, which he kept. She often met him on the beach in June. In July she was at service at Mr. Burrell's and used to go home through the week, when defendant used to meet her at her mother's gate. She remembered an entertainment being held in the the night of 5th July. She was there and danced with the defendant. Mr. Cook: Did he bring you to the dance ? Witness: No. Mr. Cook: After the dance was over who went home with you? Witness: Defendant did. This was about half-past 1 o'clock in the morn- ing, and on the way home he had inter- course with me. She was not a con- senting party. She was walking and he was leading a horse. Mr. Cook : Did yon go home that night or stay at Mr. Burrell's ? Witness: I went home that night. He met me again on the 9th and 11th of July at Rosebud, and after this I saw him almost every day. Mr. Cook: How did you come to see him so often ? Was it by appoint- ment ? Witness: No. He used to pass our place on the beach. Mr. Smallman, P.M.: What was he he doing so often on the beach ? Witness: Passing to the pier. His business was fishing. Had made an appointment to meet him on the beach on 27th August. He again asked me to go out with him again on the 29th, and I refused. About a week after he asked me to go out again and I said I would not. Did not meet him again, or see him other than seeing him in the street. I continued in service till the 28th August, then I went to service at Geelong. I stayed there about a month then came home to my father's place and stayed there about a month. Then I went to the Dromana Hotel. I stayed there three months then I went home again. After that I went to Queencliff and stayed at my sister's. This was about the 22nd September, 1894. Then I came home for about a week. I then went to Melbourne, came back again and then went back to Mel- bourne on the 22nd March, 1894, and stayed at the Carlton Refuge, where I was confined of a child on the 28th March. The defendant is the father of the child. I stayed nearly a year at the refuge, then I came home. I was home about three months on the 12th June, 1895. I spoke to defendant and asked him if he was going to support his child. He said it was not his. I told him it was. He then swore at me and walked away. Mr. Cook: I believe your mother objected to you taking any action ? Witness: Yes. I have taken this action against defendant myself. I have not had intercourse with any other person. I am nineteen years of age at present. Mr. Cooke: Where does defendant live ? Witness: He lives in lodgings at Rosebud. Could not say if he had any men working for him. Defendant owned a fishing boat. Mr. Smith : How do you know it is his ? Witness : He told me so. I am earning at present six shillings a week. Defendant never paid me anything for the child. To Mr. Smith: Did not know when Peake came to Rosebud. Mr. Smith: You swore you went to Geelong on 28th August, and that you remained there a month. Will you tell me the date you left Mrs. Kantkner's[?] ? Witness: I do not remember the date. Remembered staying three weeks at Markham's Hotel. That was in 1893. To Mr. Smith: I attended all the dances at Dromana. Mr. Smith: Do you remember going home from a dance one night and calling out to a man named Peaty to wait for you and take you home. Witness: I do not. Mr. Smi'h: Why did you not give the name of the father to the child ? Witness : Because I did not want to. Mr. Smith: What name did you call it ? Witness : Joseph Claude.
On page 3
Mr. Smith here produced the certifi cate of birth showing that the child was registered William Claude. Witness said that it was a strange nurse she gave the name to and she must have registered it wrong. Mr. Smith: Did you ever attend dances at Rye? Witness : Yes. Could not say on what dates. Mr. Smith: Do you remember a fight between two militia men one night at a dance over you ? Witness : Yes ; but did not remem ber them fighting in plaintiffs bedroom at Mrs. Sweetapple's Hotel at Portsea. Had [not ;ever walked out with any one else but the defendant Peako. Had come home from Rye with a Mr. Council in his cart, and was quite sure as to the time she left Geelong as it was four days after her sister's birth day: DMr. Peters, sen, sworn, said he was a fisherman residingat Rosebud. Was the father of the complainant. Knew te defendant, who also resided at Rosebud and was a fislhrman. Rmembered asking the complainant who was the father of her child and the said Thomas Peake. the asked defendant what o was going to o, an s as going to do nothing. Mr. Smith: What did you then say ? Witness: I said never mind, there is a law in the country. He was a good deal away from home in 1891, but was home off and on. Did not see any one in company with his daughter but Peake. Witness was in Geelong in July and August working on the dredge. Could not swear if his wife said anything at the time the conversa tion took place between Peake and him sell The witness here produced a note in writing which he had taken down at the time when the conversa tion took place with Peake. Mr. Smith: I will ask the witness to write his name. Witness : I can write my name, but did not say I wrote the note. It was my wife who wrote it for me. Mr. Smith: I thought I would catch you. Alfred Peters, sworn, said he was brother to the 'complainant, and was seventeen years of age. He resided at Rosebud. He often saw the defendant and his sister out together, sometimes two or three times a week, and had seen them coming home from a ball which was held at Dromana. This closed the case for plaintiff. ir. Smith then addressed the Bench in an able speech, and said he did not see that any corroborative evidence had been brought at all, and he would ask their wesakips to hear the defendant himself, which would bear out his case. The Bench did not think there was any need, and dismissed the case. The court then adjourned.
by steve74 on 2014-01-05 23:14:27
Child of Ellen Peters as mentioned in article
Name Jos claud Peters Mother Ellen Phoebe Peters Father Peters Born Carlton Vic 1894 Reg: 10091
by JPRG67 on 2014-01-06 00:32:28
That is totally amazing that is My Great Grandmother and also mentioned Joseph, wow awesome stuff, heard the rumours about Ellen, but these confirm them, the irony is that I just found out that when Ellen Remarried to a George Green and moved to North Fitzroy that she only live 1 mile away from her son Leslie and her Grandsons Norm and Ken, unbelievable. thank you so much for this great work indeed.
by tonkin on 2014-01-06 04:21:35
It appears Ellen Phoebe PETERS had three children before she married.
Name: Joseph Claud PETERS. Born: 1894 Carlton, Victoria. Father: Unknown. Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS. Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #10091.
Name: Eric James PETERS. Born: 1896 Dromana, Victoria. Father: Unknown. Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS. Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #19303.
Name: Leslie PETERS. Born: 1899 St Kilda, Victoria. Father: Unknown. Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS. Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #14024.
by steve74 on 2014-01-06 05:54:44
REAL ESTATE of Joseph Peters All that piece of land at Rosebud in the Parish of Wannanue, County of Mornington being allotment 21 containing 1 rood and 12 8/10 perches described in Crown Grant volume 607 Folio 121,351 upon which is erected a small fishermans house valued at 30 pounds 8th April 1902 PRO-VIC Probate was granted to Mary Ann Peters of Queenscliff, Victoria
Hello abbeyg, I've got a copy of Dreantime Of Dromana in my archives which is in storage and unfortunately I can't get to for a week or so, but when I do I will have a look and scan for you.
What makes you think Black fiddler refers to Joe Peter's colour? I think his parents were both from Yorkshire.
He was a fisherman and in Dromana they used Black Fiddler crabs as a bait.
Might refer to that!
Anyway, as soon as I get hold of the book I'll send you pics.
Hi, Thanks for your reply.
My grandmother told her son(my father) on her death bed that she had colored blood.
I have a photo of my great grandfather Joseph Peters (2nd) Joe Peters and Mary Ann's son and he is dark with tight wiry curly hair.
My father also remembers his grandfather to be very tanned and dad felt he looked aboriginal ( had a wide nose) he didin't die until my father was in his 20's so he knew him well.
My grandmother told her son (my dad) that her grandmother(Mary Ann) Joe Peters wife told her before she died that she was aboriginal.
Mary Ann (Born Wiltshire?? which we don't think)and Joe Peters (born Baltimore maryland)marry at Queenscliff in 1870 two colored people marrying back then would have be seen as acceptable.
Also my father has contacted a descendant of Joe Peters (Joseph Peters (2nd) sisters lineage and they claim to have Joe Peters nationalisation papers from Capee Verede Island. My father has Joe Peters will (Fathers name George Peters mothers name Mary Thersea) and he owned a block of land in Dromana, which we have just found out was next door to several other Cape Verde Islanders ( have names). They were all issued the land at the same time.
My great aunt (95yrs) who is Joseph Peters the 2nds daughter (my grandmothers sister) says she was teased at school because her father was so dark skined. Her mother in-law used to call her "the abo girl". Aunt Mary thought that her father may have been American Indian. Unfortunately because of the generation gap my great aunt isn't interested in the notion of having color in our heritage.
My father and I aren't concerned at all about it and are loving the jig saw puzzle of our family history coming altogether.
It also explains why I have been asked all my live what nationality I am as I am quite dark.
One of my sons has tanned skin also and has the dark wiry tight curly hair that would give any african a run for their money ( father is a pale red head).
Any information which you can find regarding Joe Peters is greatly appreciated.
Finding out where we originate from is both fasinating and frustrating I'm loving it!!
Kind Regards
Abigail
Thank you for that information Abigail. I wasn't aware that Mary Ann White was also coloured which does seem more likely. (for the times)
Did Mary Ann die as Peter's or Lewthwaite? Do you have a death date?
Trying not to get the Peters' families mixed up for I know there were a couple, one other quite prominate in Portland, Vic.
I wondered if this was your's;
I found a Joe Peters and Mary Ann who had a son named Stanley Paul Peters born in Queenscliff in 1891. He enlisted in the A.I.F Service No. 11985, on 23 October 1915 age 25yrs and 1 mth. On his enlistment he gave his next of kin as his mother Mary Ann Leuthwaite (2nd. marriage in 1904 to Thomas Daniel Lewthwaite) his father, he listed as Joe Peters deceased.
Mother's address in 1915, 13 Fischer St., Coburg, Vic. she was still living there in 1922.
His description was 5'5" Fresh complexion, brown eyes dark brown hair and CofE.
This could be the one who played footy for Dromana? There was also a Lewthwaite who played.
Anyway I should be able to get away and get Colin McLeach's book with the photos, at the end of next week.
Hi, Thanks for getting back to me again.
Yes Mary Ann did remarry after Joesph Peters died to Thomas Lewthwaite.
She died 24/4/1925 as Mary Ann Lewthwaite and she is bruied with her son Albert in Faulkner Cemetary.
Mary Ann and Joseph had 15 children 3 died 2 sons both named Joseph and 1 daughter named Mary. We have names and birth/ death details for all 15 children. Stanley was Mary Anns and Josephs son and we also were aware of his service details.
There are Peter's everwhere and many of Joseph's children had very large families themselves and they all seemed to spread out over the state.
We aren't to concerned about tracing the children of Joseph and Mary Ann we are more interested in finding out the truth about where Joseph and Mary came from that s why I would love to see a photo of them.
Its interesting that Stanley played football for Dromana. I'll brag to my husband that stanley was a champion football player of old but decided to serve his country rather then follow his football career. I've had to hear of my husbands great grandfathers football heroics for over twenty years. James Henry Gardiner founder of the North Melbourne Football club. We have bought every book and visited or rang every football club, council officers, streets, parks collecting photos of the man. All very English and proper unlike what my family tree is developing into.
Appreciate anything that you find on Joseph or Mary Ann. We believe Mary Anns birth details were fudged to suit the times. In fact I am exhausted looking in to Mary Ann thats why I started looking into Joseph more closely. At this stage I don't care if Mary Ann came from under a cabbage patch!
Thanks again
Abigail
You can tell your husband the 'Peters' were quite prominent in the Peninsula Football clubs.
I only made a guess that it was Stanley who played because a lot of the old Newspaper reports mearly give just the surname and of course I haven't been through all the footy reports.
In 1890 A. Peters and J. Peters played for Dromana State School
1894-1902 ? Peters for Dromana
1905 Jack Peters played for Sorrento
Then I suppose the next generation
FRANKSTON HIGH SCHOOL 24 August 1928
INTERSTATE FOOTBALL
Stan Peters represented the Frankston High School in the Interstate match against South Australia on Tuesday afternoon. He worthily upheld the` honor of the school and was one of the best players on the ground although South Australia claimed the best player for the day: Victoria were winners.
Then hopping up to the 1930's T. Peters and C. Peters played for Flinders
and J. Peters played for Seaford
If you can get in touch with itellya he would surely know more about these teams.
These articles don't tell us anything about Joe Peters but you can't let an opportunity to brag go to waste.
Standard (Frankston, Vic)Friday 2 May 1941
FOOTBALL
STAN PETERS TO COACH
New High School Eighteen At a meeting of the High School Football Club held last night, Stan Peters was unanimously elected coach.
Captain and coach of the Frankston team last year, Stan is one of the best known footballers on the Peninsula, and as a student at the High School thirteen or fourteen years ago, captained one of the best teams in the history of the school.
Thanks for all the footy details.
I know that Stanley's brother Joseph (my great grandfather) played football for merridith football club. Dad remembers talking about it with him.
Where are you getting all this information from? I'm new at researching my family tree and have been mainly doing my research through ancestry. I have also visited the Queenscliff historical society and of late found familytreecircles by plain luck.
Any pointers on where to find information of Joseph Peters would be appreciated.
Thanks I will pass on the football details to my Dad as he is making notes about each relation.
Regards
Abigail
TROVE
Wow! Fantastic I have never heard of it.
There goes my early night.
Thanks
Abigail
See comments HERE
Frankston & Somerville Standard, Friday 18 May 1928
BALL AT SOMERVILLE. Of late months the mere mention of a ball at Somerville has been sufficient to assure a large attendance of dancers and it is anticipated that the grand ball advertised elsewhere in this issue will be no exception to the rule. The ball will be held in the Horticultural Hall, Ballacrane Orchestra supplying the music. A set supper will be served in the Mecha nics' Institute. There will be several novelty dances, and good prizes will be given. Proceeds are in aid of Somerville Football Club. Particulars of admission are given in the advertisement.
Go into TROVE Abigail and search 'Ballacrane' you will find several articles between 1926 and 1936.
Thanks again..
Also have been speaking to my Dad about all the information you have been giving me and he extends his thanks.
I forgot to tell you possibly the most important bit of information regarding Joseph Peters Wife Mary Ann Peters tellING her granddaughtER that she was Aboriginal.
MY UNCLE HAD A DNA TEST DONE AND IT SHOWED ABORIGINAL DNA.
Sorry it's hard to remember every bit of information that has been collected in the last 5 years.
jOSEPH pETERS DIES 1916 but i'll have a look anyway.
Thanks
Abigail
This is7he son of Ellen Phoebe Peters
Father Unknown
Born Carlton Vic 18994
Reg: 10091
17th October 1895, Mornington Standard
E. PETERS v. T. PEAKE. Mr. Cook appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr. T. T. Smith for the defendant. Mr. Smallman xxxxxxxx xxxxx, said that as the defendant had refused to marry the plaintiff she now sued de- fendant for maintainance of the child now in court, which she alleged he was the father of. The reason why plaintiff did not take proceedings sooner was because her mother was adverse to her doing so, and she had been away for some time in a home or lodge in Mel- bourne, and she now intended to pro- ceed under Section 42 of the Marriage Act, the child being illegimate. The child was born on the 28th March, 1894. He called the plaintiff to give evidence. Miss E. Peters, sworn, said she was an unmarried woman and resided at Rosebud. She was at present in ser- vice at the Dromana Hotel. Knew the defendant, Thomas Peake, and first became acquainted with him at Rose- bud in June, 1893. She had not been introduced by any one. Defendant made an appointment to meet her the next night, which he kept. She often met him on the beach in June. In July she was at service at Mr. Burrell's and used to go home through the week, when defendant used to meet her at her mother's gate. She remembered an entertainment being held in the
the night of 5th July. She was there and danced with the defendant. Mr. Cook: Did he bring you to the dance ? Witness: No. Mr. Cook: After the dance was over who went home with you? Witness: Defendant did. This was about half-past 1 o'clock in the morn- ing, and on the way home he had inter- course with me. She was not a con- senting party. She was walking and he was leading a horse. Mr. Cook : Did yon go home that night or stay at Mr. Burrell's ? Witness: I went home that night. He met me again on the 9th and 11th of July at Rosebud, and after this I saw him almost every day. Mr. Cook: How did you come to see him so often ? Was it by appoint- ment ? Witness: No. He used to pass our place on the beach. Mr. Smallman, P.M.: What was he he doing so often on the beach ? Witness: Passing to the pier. His business was fishing. Had made an appointment to meet him on the beach on 27th August. He again asked me to go out with him again on the 29th, and I refused. About a week after he asked me to go out again and I said I would not. Did not meet him again, or see him other than seeing him in the street. I continued in service till the 28th August, then I went to service at Geelong. I stayed there about a month then came home to my father's place and stayed there about a month. Then I went to the Dromana Hotel. I stayed there three months then I went home again. After that I went to Queencliff and stayed at my sister's. This was about the 22nd September, 1894. Then I came home for about a week. I then went to Melbourne, came back again and then went back to Mel- bourne on the 22nd March, 1894, and stayed at the Carlton Refuge, where I was confined of a child on the 28th March. The defendant is the father of the child. I stayed nearly a year at the refuge, then I came home. I was home about three months on the 12th June, 1895. I spoke to defendant and asked him if he was going to support his child. He said it was not his. I told him it was. He then swore at me and walked away. Mr. Cook: I believe your mother objected to you taking any action ? Witness: Yes. I have taken this action against defendant myself. I have not had intercourse with any other person. I am nineteen years of age at present. Mr. Cooke: Where does defendant live ? Witness: He lives in lodgings at Rosebud. Could not say if he had any men working for him. Defendant owned a fishing boat. Mr. Smith : How do you know it is his ? Witness : He told me so. I am earning at present six shillings a week. Defendant never paid me anything for the child. To Mr. Smith: Did not know when Peake came to Rosebud. Mr. Smith: You swore you went to Geelong on 28th August, and that you remained there a month. Will you tell me the date you left Mrs. Kantkner's[?] ? Witness: I do not remember the date. Remembered staying three weeks at Markham's Hotel. That was in 1893. To Mr. Smith: I attended all the dances at Dromana. Mr. Smith: Do you remember going home from a dance one night and calling out to a man named Peaty to wait for you and take you home. Witness: I do not. Mr. Smi'h: Why did you not give the name of the father to the child ? Witness : Because I did not want to. Mr. Smith: What name did you call it ? Witness : Joseph Claude.
On page 3
Mr. Smith here produced the certifi cate of birth showing that the child was registered William Claude. Witness said that it was a strange nurse she gave the name to and she must have registered it wrong. Mr. Smith: Did you ever attend dances at Rye? Witness : Yes. Could not say on what dates. Mr. Smith: Do you remember a fight between two militia men one night at a dance over you ? Witness : Yes ; but did not remem ber them fighting in plaintiffs bedroom at Mrs. Sweetapple's Hotel at Portsea. Had [not ;ever walked out with any one else but the defendant Peako. Had come home from Rye with a Mr. Council in his cart, and was quite sure as to the time she left Geelong as it was four days after her sister's birth day: DMr. Peters, sen, sworn, said he was a fisherman residingat Rosebud. Was the father of the complainant. Knew te defendant, who also resided at Rosebud and was a fislhrman. Rmembered asking the complainant who was the father of her child and the said Thomas Peake. the asked defendant what o was going to o, an s as going to do nothing. Mr. Smith: What did you then say ? Witness: I said never mind, there is a law in the country. He was a good deal away from home in 1891, but was home off and on. Did not see any one in company with his daughter but Peake. Witness was in Geelong in July and August working on the dredge. Could not swear if his wife said anything at the time the conversa tion took place between Peake and him sell The witness here produced a note in writing which he had taken down at the time when the conversa tion took place with Peake. Mr. Smith: I will ask the witness to write his name. Witness : I can write my name, but did not say I wrote the note. It was my wife who wrote it for me. Mr. Smith: I thought I would catch you. Alfred Peters, sworn, said he was brother to the 'complainant, and was seventeen years of age. He resided at Rosebud. He often saw the defendant and his sister out together, sometimes two or three times a week, and had seen them coming home from a ball which was held at Dromana. This closed the case for plaintiff. ir. Smith then addressed the Bench in an able speech, and said he did not see that any corroborative evidence had been brought at all, and he would ask their wesakips to hear the defendant himself, which would bear out his case. The Bench did not think there was any need, and dismissed the case. The court then adjourned.
by steve74 on 2014-01-05 23:14:27
Child of Ellen Peters as mentioned in article
Name Jos claud Peters
Mother Ellen Phoebe Peters
Father Peters
Born Carlton Vic 1894
Reg: 10091
by JPRG67 on 2014-01-06 00:32:28
That is totally amazing that is My Great Grandmother and also mentioned Joseph, wow awesome stuff, heard the rumours about Ellen, but these confirm them, the irony is that I just found out that when Ellen Remarried to a George Green and moved to North Fitzroy that she only live 1 mile away from her son Leslie and her Grandsons Norm and Ken, unbelievable. thank you so much for this great work indeed.
by tonkin on 2014-01-06 04:21:35
It appears Ellen Phoebe PETERS had three children before she married.
Name: Joseph Claud PETERS.
Born: 1894 Carlton, Victoria.
Father: Unknown.
Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #10091.
Name: Eric James PETERS.
Born: 1896 Dromana, Victoria.
Father: Unknown.
Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #19303.
Name: Leslie PETERS.
Born: 1899 St Kilda, Victoria.
Father: Unknown.
Mother: Ellen Phoebe PETERS.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #14024.
by steve74 on 2014-01-06 05:54:44
REAL ESTATE of Joseph Peters
All that piece of land at Rosebud in the Parish of Wannanue, County of Mornington being allotment 21 containing 1 rood and 12 8/10 perches described in Crown Grant volume 607 Folio 121,351 upon which is erected a small fishermans house valued at 30 pounds
8th April 1902 PRO-VIC
Probate was granted to Mary Ann Peters of Queenscliff, Victoria